Belbuca

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Really how dumb are some rules... you can call it in, you can put refills on it... if it goes on your buccal mucosa you’re good, but if under the tongue you’re risking your license (if written for pain).
(Yes I do know potencies differ.). And who hasn’t tried pregabalin (i.e. controlled substance) for lumbar radic (i.e. off label) at least once, granted schedule III vs V?

Here’s the official DEA list.... no line of demarcation between buprenorphine’s varied formulations.


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I got a non-answer answer from the DEA ODLP:

You asked if a DEA registrant could prescribe buprenorphine products, approved by the Food and Drug Administration for the treatment of Opioid Use Disorder, for the off-label use of treating pain. You also asked if this prescriber would first need to obtain a Unique Identification Number (UIN), as required under the Drug Addiction Treatment Act of 2000, before taking such action.

The Controlled Substances Act and its implementing regulations do not prohibit the prescribing and dispensing of buprenorphine (suboxone) products for the treatment of pain. They do however require that a controlled substance be prescribed for a legitimate medical purpose by a DEA registered individual practitioner acting in the usual course of his or her professional practice, as noted in Title 21, Code of Federal Regulations, Section 1306.04(a). The specific prescribing or dispensing of buprenorphine for the treatment of pain is an off-label use of this product, and it is the Food and Drug Administration that regulates the off-label use of pharmaceuticals.

The Unique Identification Number (X number) is certification that the qualified practitioner has meet the training and other requirements necessary to be allowed to issue prescriptions for opioid addiction treatment. The Unique Identification Number is not related to prescribing for pain management

Buprenorphine is a Schedule III controlled substance. 21 C.F.R. § 1308.13(e)(2)(i). As with all controlled substances, buprenorphine may only be prescribed, administered, or dispensed for a legitimate medical purpose by a DEA-registered practitioner acting in the usual course of professional practice and otherwise in accordance with the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) and DEA regulations. The general registration requirement applicable to all practitioners (registration under 21 U.S.C. § 823(f)) applies to a practitioner who dispenses buprenorphine for the legitimate treatment of pain in the usual course of professional practice. No additional DEA registration is required for such purpose.

While the DEA is the agency responsible for administering the Controlled Substances Act, it is the State medical boards, which collectively regulate the practice of medicine. Furthermore, it is the FDA that regulates the off label use of pharmaceuticals. DEA’s role under the CSA is to ensure that controlled substances are prescribed, administered, and dispensed only for legitimate medical purpose by DEA registered practitioners acting in the usual course of professional practice and otherwise in accordance with the CSA and DEA regulations. Also, DEA does not define and regulate the practice of Medicine and again it is the state medical boards who oversee this provision. The DEA does not dictate to practitioners what to prescribe, how often, what doses and what quantities, again these are handled by the State Boards of Medicine.

You can refer your question to your state board of Medicine and the off-label use question to the FDA at, www.fda.gov

As a general matter, it has been DEA’s longstanding policy not to provide legal advice to private parties. At the same time, DEA recognizes the importance of working with regulated entities to help guide them toward compliance with the law and regulations.
 
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This reads to me as more of an answer answer, tbh. Thanks either way!
 
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Does anyone know of any examples of people being hassled for suboxone for pain without x-waiver?
 
Does anyone know of any examples of people being hassled for suboxone for pain without x-waiver?

Good question. I would love to know if anyone knows specific examples.

I just had a patient come back because of the high cost of belbuca. He would take generic bup in a heartbeat for $25. I'd like to make generic bup available to such patients, (and limit harm but writing far fewer standard long acting opioids)

I wonder if there are specific reasons to fearing doing this, or just theoretical ones?
 
Good question. I would love to know if anyone knows specific examples.

I just had a patient come back because of the high cost of belbuca. He would take generic bup in a heartbeat for $25. I'd like to make generic bup available to such patients, (and limit harm but writing far fewer standard long acting opioids)

I wonder if there are specific reasons to fearing doing this, or just theoretical ones?

I had been doing this in my prior job for about 5 years.
We've had issues with insurers getting confused as they sometimes flag patients as OUD just because they're getting suboxone, even though we wrote it for the disease of chronic pain.
We had issues with pharmacists being confused.
We had no issues with the DEA/medical board/etc.
We had a separate person in the practice with a waiver that would do both on-waiver and off-waiver prescribing of Suboxone/Subutex.
 
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I had been doing this in my prior job for about 5 years.
We've had issues with insurers getting confused as they sometimes flag patients as OUD just because they're getting suboxone, even though we wrote it for the disease of chronic pain.
We had issues with pharmacists being confused.
We had no issues with the DEA/medical board/etc.
We had a separate person in the practice with a waiver that would do both on-waiver and off-waiver prescribing of Suboxone/Subutex.

From an insurance standpoint, you can get generic bup so cheaply that I might just tell them to skip the insurance. Is there a risk the patients might be labeled at OUD by their insurance company and have it affect their future coverage?

Glad to know about the DEA/med board

How serious were your issues with the pharmacists? If you add to the script "for pain not addiction", were there any issues with them dispensing it?

Did you ever have any issues with someone writing bup off label for pain, and the pharmacist denying it to them because the doc didn't have a waiver? (although you don't need an X-waiver to write bup off label for pain)
 
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