Best Cancer Hospitals 2007

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I don't know. Probably not very-about as accurate as their college rankings. However it is based on some objective data like nurse ratios and services offered. This is patient oriented material which does not necessarily mean it is good for training. I just thought I would post it for those interested.
 
accurate to what absolutely objective measure? none exists. a few groups measure these things and all you can do is look at the parameters and understand that it gives you a gist of things. does it matter if youre at number 1 or number 5? Can you really distinguish between number one and 5? the specifics dont matter as much as a gist of it.
 
Here are the new rankings by US News for the Best Cancer Hospitals in the nation in case you are interested.

http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/best-hospitals/search.php?spec=ihqcanc&


One of the troubles for an applicant is the fact that great hospitals, with striking frequency, have awful radiation oncology Depts. This is because medical and surgical oncologists usually hate radiation and have for decades lived with the dream of wiping radiation oncology off the face of the earth. Some "Top" cancer centers will actually intentionally change referral patterns and dept practices so that the radiation oncologists have as little power as possible. However, this tends NOT to be the trend at dedicated cancer INSTITUTIONS (MDACC, MSKCC, FCCC) - versus hospitals with an oncology center, orthopedics center, and cardiology center, etc). At hospitals that have a cancer center, orthopedics center, cardiology center, and rehab center, etc (and are NOT dedicated cancer institutions), the cancer center has a director (usually a medical oncologists who hates radiation) that has to fight at the hospital board meeting for dollars against the cardiology center, orthopedic center, etc. As a result, what dollars the cancer center gets their hands on (even if most of the dollars are coming from the rad onc department) goes to medical oncology and surgical oncology.

There is a big difference between a great hospital, great cancer center, or even a "great" radiation oncology department, and a truly great radiation oncology residency program.
 
then what significance should this list have for rad onc training/quality of rad onc within cancer centers? Are there places that are not so high on this list that have strong rad onc?
 
IMO, this list is farily worthless for RadOnc residency applicants. It has limited utility for cancer patients. However, as we all know each institution has its strengths in certain specialities and/or cancer types.

Look at the RadOnc rankings thread for a much more informed view about why certain programs are better than others.
 
i agree the us new list its a very poor way to eval radonc programs. however i think the rationale there there is poor correlation between these hosptials and good radonc programs its because meds oncs and surgeons hate radiation oncologists. For a few reasons. (though its true that in some fields there have been real turf issues like in prostate cancer tx- see prior threads; AND its true that there is snarkiness between the fields that goes on and not just between radonc and others). I do agree that a dedicated cancer center makes a world of difference to the patients.

One of the troubles for an applicant is the fact that great hospitals, with striking frequency, have awful radiation oncology Depts. This is because medical and surgical oncologists usually hate radiation and have for decades lived with the dream of wiping radiation oncology off the face of the earth. Some "Top" cancer centers will actually intentionally change referral patterns and dept practices so that the radiation oncologists have as little power as possible. However, this tends NOT to be the trend at dedicated cancer INSTITUTIONS (MDACC, MSKCC, FCCC) - versus hospitals with an oncology center, orthopedics center, and cardiology center, etc). At hospitals that have a cancer center, orthopedics center, cardiology center, and rehab center, etc (and are NOT dedicated cancer institutions), the cancer center has a director (usually a medical oncologists who hates radiation) that has to fight at the hospital board meeting for dollars against the cardiology center, orthopedic center, etc. As a result, what dollars the cancer center gets their hands on (even if most of the dollars are coming from the rad onc department) goes to medical oncology and surgical oncology.

There is a big difference between a great hospital, great cancer center, or even a "great" radiation oncology department, and a truly great radiation oncology residency program.
 
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