Best DO school for queer students?

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No, he/she is right. Touro-CA had an issue with the GSA (Gay-Straight Alliance). Touro-NY had the issue with selling degrees.

Touro-CA did have an issue in the past, but we're talking 5 years ago. The Touro University Gay-Straight Alliance is alive and well and we have regular events to which the entire campus is invited.
 
Just to reiterate what I said before: UNECOM-very LGBT-friendly. Area along the coastline isn't all that rural. Portland-not rural, LGBT-friendly city. I found that people that were looking for racial and ethnic diversity would be far more disappointed in the area than those looking for other types of diversity.

This is still very true. Maine as a whole, but particularly in the southern part of the state and especially at academic institutions is very New England in it's views towards homosexuality, that is, accepting for the most part. The school started a q-med club this year in part to help integrate the curriculum with more homosexual specific situations, e.g - helping a patient and family through the coming out phase, gender reassingnment surgery, etc. The undergrad has a club but this med school club is focussed really on medical issues.

My gay friends here haven't mentioned any problems and those who are single haven't had difficulty driving twenty minutes to Portland to check out the scene and meet people or an hour to Boston, just like the rest of my straight friends!
 
Awesome! Thanks!

As a gay transsexual who wants to add some DO schools to my application list for next year and thus is very concerned about this issue, I looked at employment non-discrimination I can tell you that this is what I found...

ATSU-com protects orientation, not identity
AZ-Com does not protect orientation or gender identity
CCOM I couldn't find any information
GA-PCOM protects orientation, not identity
Nova protects orientation, not identity

 
As a gay transsexual ...
What is a gay transsexual? Is that like a male who wants to become female but is attracted to females? My understanding was that transsexuals consider themselves straight despite gender identity?
 
What a sad world we live in where a person needs to worry about discrimination/violence because they love someone that others don't approve of thanks to a text written over 1000 years ago.


^^^ This! I am a straight female, at some point I could be any of your classmates (except those of you already graduated), I am GBLT friendly, as are how many other people on the forum, and WE will be your classmates. I don't care if you do come in wearing rainbow scrubs and riding a purple pony, I'll ask where you got the scrubs so I can get some (loved rainbow brite as a kid), and I'll want to ride the pony too. I don't care who you love as long as they love you back, and I don't care what color you are as long as you aren't grey (dead/zombie) or blue (cyanotic)! If you want to be purple, green, whatever, who am I to say you shouldn't be! I am glad you want to find a place where you won't be harassed, but in this day and age, discrimination is something most schools HAVE to take seriously. Lawsuits are expensive, and they become public very quickly.

FA, I don't care what you are! (For the record Triage, again, social filter not working, imho) If I get into school with the help you gave me on my PS, I'll take you to dinner! (or maybe I'll just have to send a gift card, since I don't know where you live)...

Either way, look at the surrounding communities, and look to the fact that many of your peers will support you regardless of your status.
 
Soooo to explain this quickly...

Sex: The classification of people as male, female, or intersex/transsexual (depending on community). At birth, infants are assigned a sex based on a combination of bodily characteristics including: chromosomes, hormones, internal reproductive organs, and genitals.
gender identity: One's internal, personal sense of being a man, woman, or trans. For transgender people, their birth-assigned sex and their own internal sense of gender identity do not "match" in the traditional sense: male-man and female-woman.
sexual orientation: Describes an individual's enduring physical, romantic, emotional and/or spiritual attraction to another person. Gender identity and sexual orientation are not the same. Transgender people may be heterosexual, lesbian, gay, bisexual, or any other identity.


I hope this helps.


What is a gay transsexual? Is that like a male who wants to become female but is attracted to females? My understanding was that transsexuals consider themselves straight despite gender identity?
 
What is a gay transsexual? Is that like a male who wants to become female but is attracted to females? My understanding was that transsexuals consider themselves straight despite gender identity?

Your information is out of date. They used to only allow exclusively heterosexual transgender people to transition mostly because they felt they were curing homosexuality. That stopped decades ago when homosexuality was removed as a mental illness.

guydudcl371 gave you the pieces about sex, orientation, etc and that is useful to know.

I am a gay female to male transsexual. Since my gender identity is male and I have had top surgery and hormones (and look effectively male) and I am attracted exclusively to men, that makes me gay.

I am still wondering at what point during my life as a gay man, I am going to finally learn how to dress myself to the point of not being embarrassing. Can someone call the Fab 5? I need a makeover.
 
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LOL, I live in Georgia and you don't need to send me a gift card. If I happen to apply at the school you end up going to (and yes, I think your PS is pretty solid now and remember at least three things about you) just put in a good word for me to the adcomms. Trust me, my personal statement is very distinctive so the odds are all you'll have to do is say "Hey, my friend from sdn applied here. You wouldn't happen to have seen an essay that talks about a gay transsexual with preeclampsia who had to give birth at home because he was constantly made fun of by his obgyn and the ob's medical students for being trans? Yea, can you consider him please? His life experiences alone should make up for his grades."

And yes, Thomas Beattie was not the first nor will he be the last "pregnant man." I did it in 2003. 😉
 
That's what I'm talkin about! Having pride in yourself, and doing what you need to do regardless of what others think or say! This is just one more thing that adds to my list of "how to be the best doctor ever"... Every person regardless of their situation deserves respect and proper decency! Crimeny, the fact that your own doctor was a jerk makes me sad... UGH! But, I feel change coming, the more people out there who see discrimination of any kind as intolerable, the less this stuff will happen! FA, Proud of you for being you no matter what anyone else says!
 
I was watching the news one day and there was a segment about Princess Boys, and the author that writes children books about them. I want to expose my child to as much diversity as possible at a young age so as they get older they are more tolerant. I do not want my child to be a bully nor will I aceept my child getting bullied. It takes courage for anyone to go against the norm, and I hope my school accepts all of our differences.
 
SBB2016

LOL, I live in Georgia and you don't need to send me a gift card. If I happen to apply at the school you end up going to (and yes, I think your PS is pretty solid now and remember at least three things about you) just put in a good word for me to the adcomms. Trust me, my personal statement is very distinctive so the odds are all you'll have to do is say "Hey, my friend from sdn applied here. You wouldn't happen to have seen an essay that talks about a gay transsexual with preeclampsia who had to give birth at home because he was constantly made fun of by his obgyn and the ob's medical students for being trans? Yea, can you consider him please? His life experiences alone should make up for his grades." WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And yes, Thomas Beattie was not the first nor will he be the last "pregnant man." I did it in 2003. 😉


Are you considered a URM? I hope my class is filled with colors because black and white all the time is so BORING!!!!!
 
That's what I'm talkin about! Having pride in yourself, and doing what you need to do regardless of what others think or say! This is just one more thing that adds to my list of "how to be the best doctor ever"... Every person regardless of their situation deserves respect and proper decency! Crimeny, the fact that your own doctor was a jerk makes me sad... UGH! But, I feel change coming, the more people out there who see discrimination of any kind as intolerable, the less this stuff will happen! FA, Proud of you for being you no matter what anyone else says!

Ok, first post!

Sadly, discrimination against LGBT people is fairly common, and when it happens it's often ignored or overlooked. I know what it's like to be told by a doctor, as a gay man, that homosexuality is immoral and that I'm likely to get AIDS among other things. I definitely didn't grow up in a rural area, in fact I grew up just outside a very large city.

To OP: One thing to look for in a LGBT-Friendly school (I don't like the use of the word queer or the other one that starts with an f, even by LGBT people) is whether or not they have a GSA or similar club.

Also, for us DO students (or will be next year! 🙂 ) we have to work to making osteopathic medicine more LGBT friendly. The AOA doesn't protect sexual orientation or gender identity despite a philosophy that welcomes diversity. I know that next year I will be making sure that I petition the AOA and do whatever I have to, to make sure that the AOA amends this policy.
There's a doctor on youtube that made a video about this with nice links, and quite frankly he really started a fire under me to work for change. His s/n is DepressedMedStudent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wImH0sO5Vso

It's also important to note that LGBT-related issues need to be covered much more in medical school. I read that only about 4 hours is spent in years 1 and 2 covering LGBT issues and considering that LGBT people make up anywhere from 2 to 10 percent of the nation that's startling (I will find this article... it was in one of my sociology books)

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Yeah, i'm with you. One thing I encourage you to think about is that I am neither L, G, B, or T...so what am I supposed to do? That is why I use the word queer, it is more exclusive, and is empowering to reclaim a word that was used against my community decades ago in an positive manner. There is no perfect phrase, but I know particularly in academia, LGBT is being pushed away as a term for these reasons. In academia we see "queer lit," "queer theory," and "queer studies" much more often than LGBT lit, theory and studies for this reason. Again, my purpose isn't to be difficult, I just want people to think about language that is more inclusive to people like myself. Best wishes this cycle!

Ok, first post!

Sadly, discrimination against LGBT people is fairly common, and when it happens it's often ignored or overlooked. I know what it's like to be told by a doctor, as a gay man, that homosexuality is immoral and that I'm likely to get AIDS among other things. I definitely didn't grow up in a rural area, in fact I grew up just outside a very large city.

To OP: One thing to look for in a LGBT-Friendly school (I don't like the use of the word queer or the other one that starts with an f, even by LGBT people) is whether or not they have a GSA or similar club.

Also, for us DO students (or will be next year! 🙂 ) we have to work to making osteopathic medicine more LGBT friendly. The AOA doesn't protect sexual orientation or gender identity despite a philosophy that welcomes diversity. I know that next year I will be making sure that I petition the AOA and do whatever I have to, to make sure that the AOA amends this policy.
There's a doctor on youtube that made a video about this with nice links, and quite frankly he really started a fire under me to work for change. His s/n is DepressedMedStudent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wImH0sO5Vso

It's also important to note that LGBT-related issues need to be covered much more in medical school. I read that only about 4 hours is spent in years 1 and 2 covering LGBT issues and considering that LGBT people make up anywhere from 2 to 10 percent of the nation that's startling (I will find this article... it was in one of my sociology books)

GMHD
 
Yeah, i'm with you. One thing I encourage you to think about is that I am neither L, G, B, or T...so what am I supposed to do? That is why I use the word queer, it is more exclusive, and is empowering to reclaim a word that was used against my community decades ago in an positive manner. There is no perfect phrase, but I know particularly in academia, LGBT is being pushed away as a term for these reasons. In academia we see "queer lit," "queer theory," and "queer studies" much more often than LGBT lit, theory and studies for this reason. Again, my purpose isn't to be difficult, I just want people to think about language that is more inclusive to people like myself. Best wishes this cycle!

I understand you, I do, a lot of people will do LGBTQ where q is "questioning" I think one problem is that we as a society have a need to classify everyone into discrete groups. You're gay or straight, male or female, etc. and it leaves a lot of people out.

I think that it's hypocritical to say we can use the word "queer" and then in the next breath condemn a hate-monger like Limbaugh, Pat Robertson, etc. I don't think it's right to use that word as it is filled with so much hate, and the idea that we can "take it back", while noble is just not feasible. It is now and will always remain a slur for LGBT people.
 
It is now and will always remain a slur for LGBT people.

That's your opinion and many older generation LGBT folks would agree. However, I am not offended by the word queer. It is the intent that makes the word. If it's another "person of the rainbow persuasion" aka "family," I see very little reason to become upset. It would be like me being upset at being called a transsexual or transgendered person. A lot of trans people think the word transgendered is a slur. I'm not talking about the word "tranny," I'm talking about the word "transgendered."
 
That's your opinion and many older generation LGBT folks would agree. However, I am not offended by the word queer. It is the intent that makes the word. If it's another "person of the rainbow persuasion" aka "family," I see very little reason to become upset. It would be like me being upset at being called a transsexual or transgendered person. A lot of trans people think the word transgendered is a slur. I'm not talking about the word "tranny," I'm talking about the word "transgendered."

I'm not old.... =( ... ;-)

I just think that word has so much hate in it I couldn't see it ever becoming something to "embrace." For example the five letter "k" word for jews has never been embraced because it's only represented hate. I'm afraid the same could be said for "queer", but we will see.

Transsexual and transgendered are both acceptable terms, but to my understanding "tranny" and such, are not. I think it's also important to note that many people in the LGB (notice no "T") have been hesitant to accept the "T" which is shocking to me. I think the most obvious example is the HRC's willingness to accept ENDA that wasn't Trans-inclusive. I think in order for the LGBTQ community to get any real power need to completely unite and push the AOA/Congress/etc. together.

Anyway back to topic, Transgendered/transsexual are perfectly acceptable terms, they are even used by the medical community. While words like "queer" are not, at least not anymore.
 
Actually. Transgendered/transgenders is not acceptable...it should be used as an adjective and not a noun, that is the common convention...transgender is the only generally accepted word used both in and out of academia.

http://spectrumcenter.umich.edu/resources/gender

Many words that were originally used as hateful have been reclaimed, especially in academic circles...it is a powerful thing when an oppressed group can take control of language and make it their own. Sure, is everyone going to adhere to the positive use of the word? No...but that's life.

Because they are used by the medical community does not make them right, in fact, I would argue means we should question them...the medical community uses gender and sex interchangeably in almost every paper published, and this is one of the most basic no-nos...So I would not use this as a guide. While we would like to hold medicine to high standards, we must remember that the field itself once classified homosexuality as a mental illness, and still to this day (and even in the DSM V to be released) classifies being trans as a mental illness.

In conclusion, please do research before posting comments about acceptable language and non-acceptable language. While personal experiences are great to add to the conversation, some of us have spent more than 5 years of our life academically pursuing these very notions/ideas.





I'm not old.... =( ... ;-)

I just think that word has so much hate in it I couldn't see it ever becoming something to "embrace." For example the five letter "k" word for jews has never been embraced because it's only represented hate. I'm afraid the same could be said for "queer", but we will see.

Transsexual and transgendered are both acceptable terms, but to my understanding "tranny" and such, are not. I think it's also important to note that many people in the LGB (notice no "T") have been hesitant to accept the "T" which is shocking to me. I think the most obvious example is the HRC's willingness to accept ENDA that wasn't Trans-inclusive. I think in order for the LGBTQ community to get any real power need to completely unite and push the AOA/Congress/etc. together.

Anyway back to topic, Transgendered/transsexual are perfectly acceptable terms, they are even used by the medical community. While words like "queer" are not, at least not anymore.
 
OH! and one more thing. The word queer is actually used a lot in current literature...for the very reasons i've already mentioned. It is much more appropriate than using the word homosexual (which was the DSM-IIIs classification of an illness). If you mean gay men, say gay men, if you want an all encompassing word, you need something better than alphabet soup...

Actually. Transgendered/transgenders is not acceptable...it should be used as an adjective and not a noun, that is the common convention...transgender is the only generally accepted word used both in and out of academia.

http://spectrumcenter.umich.edu/resources/gender

Many words that were originally used as hateful have been reclaimed, especially in academic circles...it is a powerful thing when an oppressed group can take control of language and make it their own. Sure, is everyone going to adhere to the positive use of the word? No...but that's life.

Because they are used by the medical community does not make them right, in fact, I would argue means we should question them...the medical community uses gender and sex interchangeably in almost every paper published, and this is one of the most basic no-nos...So I would not use this as a guide. While we would like to hold medicine to high standards, we must remember that the field itself once classified homosexuality as a mental illness, and still to this day (and even in the DSM V to be released) classifies being trans as a mental illness.

In conclusion, please do research before posting comments about acceptable language and non-acceptable language. While personal experiences are great to add to the conversation, some of us have spent more than 5 years of our life academically pursuing these very notions/ideas.
 
Actually. Transgendered/transgenders is not acceptable...it should be used as an adjective and not a noun, that is the common convention...transgender is the only generally accepted word used both in and out of academia.

http://spectrumcenter.umich.edu/resources/gender

Many words that were originally used as hateful have been reclaimed, especially in academic circles...it is a powerful thing when an oppressed group can take control of language and make it their own. Sure, is everyone going to adhere to the positive use of the word? No...but that's life.

Because they are used by the medical community does not make them right, in fact, I would argue means we should question them...the medical community uses gender and sex interchangeably in almost every paper published, and this is one of the most basic no-nos...So I would not use this as a guide. While we would like to hold medicine to high standards, we must remember that the field itself once classified homosexuality as a mental illness, and still to this day (and even in the DSM V to be released) classifies being trans as a mental illness.

In conclusion, please do research before posting comments about acceptable language and non-acceptable language. While personal experiences are great to add to the conversation, some of us have spent more than 5 years of our life academically pursuing these very notions/ideas.

I mean't no offense, and I was giving my opinion (notice my use of "to my understanding"). I'm well aware of DSM IV and the issues contained in it with regard to LGBT People. However, In LGBT media like The Advocate, Transgendered is the preferred term. http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_...ye_Allums_Transgender_NCAA_Basketball_Player/

"...the first publicly transgender person to play NCAA Division I college basketball."

Also, I was using at as an adjective. Also, chill out, I'm on your side.

So I would appreciate it if you avoid making your gross generalizations and assumptions about me. Thanks.
 
Hey hey hey. I'm not intending to be rude at all, rather provide some insight into the issue.

Transgender DOES NOT EQUAL transgendered.

From the site above:
While the two words are obviously related, they carry somewhat different meanings. "Transgendered" implies a process that one went through, such as "married", "educated" or "cultured". "Transgender" implies an inherent attribute, like "male", "female", "short" or "tall".Most transgender folks think of themselves as always having been what they are, thus for them, the right word is "transgender".
Again, transgendered is not acceptable, transgender is.



I mean't no offense, and I was giving my opinion. I'm well aware of DSM IV and the issues contained in it with regard to LGBT People. However, In LGBT media like The Advocate, Transgendered is the preferred term. http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_...ye_Allums_Transgender_NCAA_Basketball_Player/

"...the first publicly transgender person to play NCAA Division I college basketball."

Also, I was using at as an adjective. Also, chill out, I'm on your side.

So I would appreciate it if you avoid making your gross generalizations and assumptions about me. Thanks.
 
Hey hey hey. I'm not intending to be rude at all, rather provide some insight into the issue.

Transgender DOES NOT EQUAL transgendered.

From the site above:
While the two words are obviously related, they carry somewhat different meanings. "Transgendered" implies a process that one went through, such as "married", "educated" or "cultured". "Transgender" implies an inherent attribute, like "male", "female", "short" or "tall".Most transgender folks think of themselves as always having been what they are, thus for them, the right word is "transgender".
Again, transgendered is not acceptable, transgender is.

I apologize for my improper conjugation of that word, then. I intended no harm, I can't say I know a person who is Transgender or that I can fully comprehend everything they have to go through, but I understand what it's like to not fit in or have people look upon you with what can only be described as loathing. That was pretty much my life until I entered college, and I apologize if anything I said offended anyone as it is not my intention.

I find that one problem we have in this society is just how hard it is to be completely PC even if we mean no harm. I think this is a prime example. =)
 
I appreciate the apology and really do apologize for coming across as more aggressive than I should have. I take strong issue with people (and for some reason pre-meds are famous for this) who go on rants and get all opinionated about **** that they do not have the experience or knowledge to back up. It isn't anything personal, I just wanted the most acceptable information out there.

This is not about being "PC." I was told by my mentor once that avoiding the use of language that is offense should not be about about being PC (because being PC is about saving one's self from embarassment or ridicule). Avoiding language that is not offensive is about being respectful, ending oppression, and making change. Everyone plays a part in the system that sets up discrimination in the world, how will you contribute (no this isn't directed at you gotmyhairdid, but everyone on this form)?

I apologize for my improper conjugation of that word, then. I intended no harm, I can't say I know a person who is Transgender or that I can fully comprehend everything they have to go through, but I understand what it's like to not fit in or have people look upon you with what can only be described as loathing. That was pretty much my life until I entered college, and I apologize if anything I said offended anyone as it is not my intention.

I find that one problem we have in this society is just how hard it is to be completely PC even if we mean no harm. I think this is a prime example. =)
 
I appreciate the apology and really do apologize for coming across as more aggressive than I should have. I take strong issue with people (and for some reason pre-meds are famous for this) who go on rants and get all opinionated about **** that they do not have the experience or knowledge to back up. It isn't anything personal, I just wanted the most acceptable information out there.

This is not about being "PC." I was told by my mentor once that avoiding the use of language that is offense should not be about about being PC (because being PC is about saving one's self from embarassment or ridicule). Avoiding language that is not offensive is about being respectful, ending oppression, and making change. Everyone plays a part in the system that sets up discrimination in the world, how will you contribute (no this isn't directed at you gotmyhairdid, but everyone on this form)?

I don't know if what I said was a rant or opinionated, it was only my opinion. I am and will likely always be uncomfortable with the word "queer" and "f*g" because for me, they were words I had thrown at me most every day of my life in high school, or spray painted on my car on at least 2 occasions. For me, those words bring back the worst possible memories and I know it's the same for many other LGBTQ youth around the country so can you really blame me for being opposed to their use.

I'm sorry I just realized I made this about me, that's not my intention - I'm only trying to help you understand where I'm coming from and I know that I'm not alone in feeling this way.
 
Absolutely appreciate and recognize your perspective. It is a perspective that unites our community very strongly (by that I mean, the experience of the hate). By point is just to argue for the community as a whole. Because for every person who had negative experience with the word or something similar, there is a person like me who LGBT does not include...Ending the hate is a battle we must work towards, but LGBT will always exclude people like me. Again, I appreciate this conversation and your perspective. Let's get back to the point of my post 😉

I don't know if what I said was a rant or opinionated, it was only my opinion. I am and will likely always be uncomfortable with the word "queer" and "f*g" because for me, they were words I had thrown at me most every day of my life in high school, or spray painted on my car on at least 2 occasions. For me, those words bring back the worst possible memories and I know it's the same for many other LGBTQ youth around the country so can you really blame me for being opposed to their use.

I'm sorry I just realized I made this about me, that's not my intention - I'm only trying to help you understand where I'm coming from and I know that I'm not alone in feeling this way.
 
I would say something very extensive to you GotMyHairDid but guydudcl371 summed it up quite nicely about the evidence that you need to do research before posting.

And since you don't know any transsexuals, let me tell you that to most of the trans community incorrect phrases (transgendered) are like nails on the chalkboard for most of us. It is an insult to many. Even being called transsexual is to some as we often see ourselves as a person with an unfortunately

Also let me say that I just came back from the Emory Gay and Lesbian Alumni meeting, the word queer was used by one of the committee members. No one had an issue.
 
I'm a new member here... I literally just joined, and I came to the forum to access helpful information and this is one of the first posts I see. I was told this is a good place to go for that.

I find the topic to be irrelevant to medicine... I don't think this is an appropriate place for this discussion, but I've heard that NOVA allows for special circumstances in OPP for homosexual students. They make them work together separate from the normal students so that they can be with their own kind. It's a good idea. This way, everyone is happy. The normal students don't have to be touched by homosexuals, and the gays get to play with each other like how they like. I hear they are very promiscuous.
 
To say sexual orientation is irrelevant to medicine is to prove your ignorance and naivete to medicine. Try telling that to the hundreds of researchers who study this community and their health...

I'm a new member here... I literally just joined, and I came to the forum to access helpful information and this is one of the first posts I see. I was told this is a good place to go for that.

I find the topic to be irrelevant to medicine... I don't think this is an appropriate place for this discussion, but I've heard that NOVA allows for special circumstances in OPP for homosexual students. They make them work together separate from the normal students so that they can be with their own kind. It's a good idea. This way, everyone is happy. The normal students don't have to be touched by homosexuals, and the gays get to play with each other like how they like. I hear they are very promiscuous.
 
I'm a new member here... I literally just joined, and I came to the forum to access helpful information and this is one of the first posts I see. I was told this is a good place to go for that.

I find the topic to be irrelevant to medicine... I don't think this is an appropriate place for this discussion, but I've heard that NOVA allows for special circumstances in OPP for homosexual students. They make them work together separate from the normal students so that they can be with their own kind. It's a good idea. This way, everyone is happy. The normal students don't have to be touched by homosexuals, and the gays get to play with each other like how they like. I hear they are very promiscuous.

Obvious troll is obvious, but thanks for the laugh.
 
I would say something very extensive to you GotMyHairDid but guydudcl371 summed it up quite nicely about the evidence that you need to do research before posting.

And since you don't know any transsexuals, let me tell you that to most of the trans community incorrect phrases (transgendered) are like nails on the chalkboard for most of us. It is an insult to many. Even being called transsexual is to some as we often see ourselves as a person with an unfortunately

Also let me say that I just came back from the Emory Gay and Lesbian Alumni meeting, the word queer was used by one of the committee members. No one had an issue.

Sigh, oh look it's the time traveler. it's almost like we already went over this. Also, as I stated a million times, I was talkign about my personal apprehension to the word "queer". So apparently you didn't bother to read all my posts and instead just got worked up to vilify me. Hypocrisy? I think so.

Like I said, the words I used were what was used in LGBT media, like The Advocate, etc.
 
To say sexual orientation is irrelevant to medicine is to prove your ignorance and naivete to medicine. Try telling that to the hundreds of researchers who study this community and their health...

You addressed only the top half of his statement. But ignored the actually offensive parts ( I.e the bottom half).
Anyways... this thread has been derailed very nicely..
 
I have a question.....If I am a man and like men and then get a sex change to become a woman and now still date men am I still considered gay?
 
Ok...I hope this is a serious inquiry...

REMEMBER SEX AND GENDER ARE NOT THE SAME!!!!
Sex: male/female/transsexual (intersex sometimes in medical community)
gender: man/woman/transgender

So your sex change would not change your gender identity, just your biology. Though some people have fluid (or changing) gender identities and so it may change as well, but it is not necessarily true.

If you are a MALE and are attracted to other MALES then your sexual orientation would most likely be something other than heterosexual. Again, it is complicated.

If you have a transitition operation and become FEMALE, and identify as a WOMAN, and date men (regardless of what you did or how you identified in the past), you would be heterosexual, though some people in this instance still identify as queer to recognize the change they made in their life.


I have a question.....If I am a man and like men and then get a sex change to become a woman and now still date men am I still considered gay?
 
I didn't address it because it was so outlandish I didn't think it was necessary...but thank you for your two cents once again.

You addressed only the top half of his statement. But ignored the actually offensive parts ( I.e the bottom half).
Anyways... this thread has been derailed very nicely..
 
I was serious about my question... I am trying to understand something that is not talk about in "my circle". I know of a few gay people, but not well enough to ask them certain questions. I did not want to derail the thread, and I have been following it for a while and learning from others. I do not want to be disrespectful of anyone's lifestlye. Thanks for the answer.
 
Ok, first post!
Also, for us DO students (or will be next year! 🙂 ) we have to work to making osteopathic medicine more LGBT friendly. The AOA doesn't protect sexual orientation or gender identity despite a philosophy that welcomes diversity. I know that next year I will be making sure that I petition the AOA and do whatever I have to, to make sure that the AOA amends this policy.
There's a doctor on youtube that made a video about this with nice links, and quite frankly he really started a fire under me to work for change. His s/n is DepressedMedStudent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wImH0sO5Vso
GMHD

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=646245
He used to be a pretty active poster here. Kinda sad actually, every time he brought up the topic of GLBT issues a few posters would come out of the woodwork and basically get into it with him for being too uppity. I enjoyed reading his posts as someone who is not a member of the GLBT community.
 
Sigh, oh look it's the time traveler. it's almost like we already went over this. Also, as I stated a million times, I was talkign about my personal apprehension to the word "queer". So apparently you didn't bother to read all my posts and instead just got worked up to vilify me. Hypocrisy? I think so.

Like I said, the words I used were what was used in LGBT media, like The Advocate, etc.

I read all your posts before I posted thank you very much and also what the OP said. Sorry for not posting on your schedule but I was in a meeting for LGBT alumni were I was just asked to join a committee.

LGBT media also uses tranny on occasion, but it is still wrong and insulting.
 
I read all your posts before I posted thank you very much and also what the OP said. Sorry for not posting on your schedule but I was in a meeting for LGBT alumni were I was just asked to join a committee.

LGBT media also uses tranny on occasion, but it is still wrong and insulting.

Jeeze, you're taking so much offense from someone who mean't no wrong. I'm sorry but I don't feel the need to apologize to you. You're simply fishing for one, and you frankly don't deserve. And I mean you specifically.

As said a million times, I was speaking of my own personal opinion so you might want to read them again.

Also, if you're so quick to vilify people is it really a good idea for you to be representing the LGBT community on a board for anything...
 
Wow ok, EVERYONE needs to just stop. If you are not posting in response to the original post question(s) or similar points please do not post on this forum. Some of us are seeking information, and some of us are sharing experience/information. The hate has no place here, especially in dealing with community concerns. If you want to scream at each other, start your own forum for that, please don't do it on mine. Thanks.

Jeeze, you're taking so much offense from someone who mean't no wrong. I'm sorry but I don't feel the need to apologize to you. You're simply fishing for one, and you frankly don't deserve. And I mean you specifically.

As said a million times, I was speaking of my own personal opinion so you might want to read them again.

Also, if you're so quick to vilify people is it really a good idea for you to be representing the LGBT community on a board for anything...
 
So Gotmyhairdid.... pic's or gtfo. :laugh:
So Familyareospace... I find you to usually be a fountain of knowledge and a great perspective on many matters.

My friends I ask you.. to come together and not fight... each other that is.😍

But seriously, you guy's are really fighting over very little. So what can I say? There are plenty of people who don't like you to begin with, so lets try to at least not increase the number to members of our own groups.

@ OP... all I can say is... well you're a very strange fish in the sense that your affect and etiquette is almost passive-inflammatory. I personally wish I could avoided being a dick to you, and I'm not saying this in spite. But you really came off the wrong way from the start, not denying that I did not follow with an equally inflammatory response. But eh cheers to you and good luck getting information.
 
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So Gotmyhairdid.... pic's or gtfo. :laugh:
So Familyareospace... I find you to usually be a fountain of knowledge and a great perspective on many matters.

My friends I ask you.. to come together and not fight... each other that is.😍

But seriously, you guy's are really fighting over very little. So what can I say? There are plenty of people who don't like you to begin with, so lets try to at least not increase the number to members of our own groups.

@ OP... all I can say is... well you're a very strange fish in the sense that your affect and etiquette is almost passive-inflammatory. I personally wish I could avoided being a dick to you, and I'm not saying this in spite. But you really came off the wrong way from the start, not denying that I did not follow with an equally inflammatory response. But eh cheers to you and good luck getting information.


Pics of what...? Or you're making a reference to 4chan /b/ **ts or gtfo....

I didn't start anything - this family aerospace guy seems to be quick to the defensive and that's the problem! I don't freak the hell out every time someone makes a gay joke or uses poor language in reference to gays/lesbians and I've been a target of some vicious homophobic ****.

I think someone else said it best, just because someone used the wrong word - doesn't mean they're homophobic. In fact, my parents slip up all the time, but I know it doesn't come from a place of hate and I educate them on the difference. I don't bite their head off, familyaerospace.
 
You got your hair did. Pics or gtfo. Lol anyways I'm not accusing you of anything and now you're getting defensive. Anyways you 2 need to just reconcile and relax. Sticks and stones.. Sticks and stones..
 
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=646245
He used to be a pretty active poster here. Kinda sad actually, every time he brought up the topic of GLBT issues a few posters would come out of the woodwork and basically get into it with him for being too uppity. I enjoyed reading his posts as someone who is not a member of the GLBT community.

I just read that thread. Wow. It got bad really fast. He may have been incorrect in a few statements but his motives, I believed, were legitimate. He just wanted in writing by the AOA what the AMA has. Some might not understand the power of what the few words "we do not discriminate against sexual orientation" have but the truth is, those words do mean a lot.

In the DO application manual, only a handful of schools include these words in their non-discrimination clauses. So I guess good advice for gay pre-meds is to apply to these schools.

I got really sad reading that thread. There was a lot of anger against him, and most of it, to me, was uncalled for. They could have treated him with much more respect. The OP maintained his composure in writing quite well. I would have probably screamed my head off. It is this kind of attitude that makes me apprehensive about attending medical school. There are just so many posters who think everyone else is beneath them.
 
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=646245
He used to be a pretty active poster here. Kinda sad actually, every time he brought up the topic of GLBT issues a few posters would come out of the woodwork and basically get into it with him for being too uppity. I enjoyed reading his posts as someone who is not a member of the GLBT community.



Wow I am still amazed at no matter how educated we become there will still be racism, and sexism. I read the thread, and while reading I could not help, but to admire his dedication. I hope my school is accepting of all of its students.
 
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=646245
He used to be a pretty active poster here. Kinda sad actually, every time he brought up the topic of GLBT issues a few posters would come out of the woodwork and basically get into it with him for being too uppity. I enjoyed reading his posts as someone who is not a member of the GLBT community.

I never responded to bth, but I always found him to be too preachy. This is the type of thread he would always start.

I accept Republicans also but I don't want to hear how great they are and how I should be spending my free time supporting them.
 
I never responded to bth, but I always found him to be too preachy. This is the type of thread he would always start.

I accept Republicans also but I don't want to hear how great they are and how I should be spending my free time supporting them.

At times, yes. But on a message board, especially this one, this is unique? And while I don't feel like he particularly needs me to come to his "defense" (esp. as it seems he has left the board), I'll point out that in the six years during which he actively posted, LGBT issues, while clearly important to him, were not anywhere near a primary topic to him. Far more often he spoke of osteopathic medicine and, later, psychiatry. Go do a "see other posts by this user" on him and see if you think that he was over-running this board with LGBT threads. That's what I found annoying: every once in a while, after a host of other posts on other topics, he'd say something about it, and people (especially a few that, like I said before, came out of the woodwork) would jump on him for supposedly harranguing everyone on the issue. I can tell you that I didn't agree with everything he said (ex. I have a different take on hate crime laws in the form that they are often advocated for), but I admired that, despite his passion, and longing for equality, he usually comported himself pretty well on the board despite the more than occasional vitriol that came his way. And as for preachiness, go check out some of our current crop of "issue" posters (noctors, etc.) and compare level of preachiness.
 
I can assure everyone that UNECOM is queer friendly. Some students have started a queer awareness medical club and they have support from the faculty (the faculty club sponsor) and administration (who approved it) and SGA who voted on it.

Also, queer is not only UNoffensive, it's the most appropriate word. Learned that in the first meeting on how to interact with a queer patient as their primary care provider. I also thought it sounded weird at first 🙂
 
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