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So I came into some unexpected money (Under 10K). I was looking for a high risk high reward investment. I already have a retirement account, emergency account, and separate investment account. Just looking for something to do with it since I don't care to lose it.
 
Tee Cell said:
So I came into some unexpected money (Under 10K). I was looking for a high risk high reward investment. I already have a retirement account, emergency account, and separate investment account. Just looking for something to do with it since I don't care to lose it.
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Options trading.
 
Tee Cell said:
Just looking for something to do with it since I don't care to lose it.
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OK, I'll be the contrarian here. How about some good, but nontraditional, low risk investments?

Your choices include...

* Put it towards your debt (if applicable)
* Ditch the car payment and use the money to buy an older reliable car (Toyota)
* Really excellent tool set, so that you can fix your own things in future instead of paying for labor. Does require you to be handy, or at least able to work through online tutorials
* Good cookware and kitchen supplies, so that you can cook more of your own food. If you use cast iron (Lodge), you buy it once and it should outlive you
* Set money aside so that when you decide there's something you can't live without, you can buy it on craigslist or ebay for cash in hand (or Paypal, if that's your thing) instead of putting it on credit

All of these should pay for themselves in the long run.
 
crypto, very volatile if thats what your looking for. i have a few friends who have really stuck gold in the crypto game. coins like iota, ethereum have good outlooks imo but will be very volatile at least in the short run.

A very safe investment would be bitcoin, almost at 7g's now will continue to appreciate
 
Real estate crowdfunding. I use Realtyshares, but there are a ton of other companies out there. Realtyshares, Crowdstreet, Fundrise, Prodigy, just to name a few.

I wouldn't say this is necessarily high risk/high reward, but it's a nice way to diversify.
 
Stocks in the shipping industry are currently a good high risk/high reward investment. Oil tankers, product tankers, container ships, and dry bulkers each operate in highly cyclic industries that are all at a low point right now. The global economy boom in 2004-2007 led to sky-high shipping rates that made every company buy as many ships as possible. At the moment the markets are oversupplied, rates are low and ships are operating at or below breakeven. In a few years this will work itself out as older ships are scrapped. The good news is that these companies tend to pay massive dividends in the good years, so a few years of a shipping boom can make up for a decade of a bust. I'm long FRO, STNG and CPLP. I also like SALT and TNK. If you really want risk find the most leveraged dry bulker or container shipping company you can, like SHIP.

Alternatively, offshore drilling is another highly cyclic industry currently at the low point of the cycle thanks to oil prices. This sector is starting to see the beginning of a recovery, though it will be a few years before things really improve. Stocks have had a bit of a rally the last couple months, but they have a long way to go before they are back to 2014 levels. ESV and HOS are great high risk/high reward plays, or you can go a little more conservatively with DO, RIG and RDC. They're all priced like we'll never see $80 oil ever again. A good conflict in the Middle East and these stocks are going to be ten-baggers.
 
NVRO is down to 74. It cycles from 74 to 94 and back again if you follow these things every 3 month. You could load up and put a sell in on at 94 and forget about it. There isn’t much risk of it dropping further.
 
Tee Cell said:
So I came into some unexpected money (Under 10K). I was looking for a high risk high reward investment. I already have a retirement account, emergency account, and separate investment account. Just looking for something to do with it since I don't care to lose it.
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Honestly, if you are going to do something so stupid as a “high risk investment“ I would just indulgently blow the money on an epic trip or awesome gift for someone you love or something.
Either way, you are going to end up in the same position financially...might as well have some fun on the way there
 
Envision Healthcare Hits 52-Week Low on Q3 Miss, Grim View (Revised)

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•November 8, 2017
Envision Healthcare Corp. EVHC tumbled to a 52-week low of $26.34 during the trading session on Nov 6. The slide is believed to have been driven by poor third-quarter results and a subsequent guidance cut.   " style="margin-bottom: 1em;">Shares of Envision Healthcare Corp. EVHC tumbled to a 52-week low of $26.34 during the trading session on Nov 6. The slide is believed to have been driven by poor third-quarter results and a subsequent guidance cut.

Over the past 52 weeks, shares of Envision Healthcare have ranged from a low of $26.34 to a high of $74.75. The average volume of shares traded over the last three months is approximately 3.26 million.

Poor Results Bother" style="margin-bottom: 1em;">Poor Results Bother

Investors were particularly disappointed by lackluster third-quarter results which missed the Zacks Consensus Estimate by 16.1% and declined 36% year over year. Earnings from its Physician Services and Ambulatory Service operations were impacted by hurricanes Harvey and Irma, which had a negative impact of $22 million on revenues.

Also, lower-than-anticipated volumes for emergency medicines and a lower-than-expected anesthesia rate adversely impacted the top line in its core Physician Services business.

The continued shift in the composition of health insurance exchange patients from higher paying carriers to carriers that pay a lower rate per encounter, as well as lower acuity, will keep patient volumes under pressure going ahead.

Envision Healthcare has struggled following its merger with AmSurg, as soft industry volumes and weaker execution have plagued results. Since then the shares have lost nearly 60% compared with a decline of 7.5% for the industry.

Also concerning is fact that the company is reeling under escalating operating expenses for several quarters, due to higher salaries and benefits expenses. The rate of increase in operating expense is the most alarming as it has overshadowed the revenue growth rate, thereby thwarting bottom-line growth. The same was seen in the third quarter.

Uninspiring Outlook" style="margin-bottom: 1em;">Uninspiring Outlook

The company’s fourth-quarter outlook was grim as it baked in declining emergency medicine volumes and the effect of start up costs. The company now anticipates emergency volume that will be lower than the run rate in the third quarter. The company thus reduced its emergency volume growth expectation from 3% to flat. It also reduced its emergency rates to amounts consistent with the third quarter. These two factors account for approximately $28 million of adjusted EBITDA.

Second, the company’s previous forecast assumed a lift in anesthesia rate, similar to what it experienced in the fourth quarter of 2016. Its revised outlook assumes the same anesthesia rate as it experienced in the third quarter. From the prior year, the anesthesia rate is projected to decline approximately 2.5% to 3%. This change accounts for approximately $22 million to $25 million.

Overall, the revised outlook for the fourth quarter includes the following: revenue of $1.88 billion to $2.02 billion, adjusted EBITDA of $182 million to $202 million, and adjusted EPS of $0.44 to $0.54. Also, same-contract growth for Physician Services was modified to 2% to 3% from the previous assumption of 3% to 4%.

Price Performance" style="margin-bottom: 1em;">Price Performance

In a year’s time, the stock has lost 60%, significantly underperforming the industry’s decline of 3%. The continued deceleration of health sector utilization will keep business volumes under pressure in the coming quarters. We thus do not expect any breather for the stock anytime soon.

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Envision is the parent company for EMCare, Sheridan and AMSURG. Their Locums costs are very high and they can't fill all their OPEN positions. In addition, their billing practice has come under severe scrutiny. The stock is under tremendous pressure and will likely hit the teens.


Company behind surprise medical bills says it’s making a change
 
Finally, management needs to articulate how its fundamentals can improve over the next few quarters and until then shares are justified to undergo a steep sell-off. But the company's decision to undertake a broad strategic review could prove the stock with a "backstop" as it "opens the door to value-creating moves," including a potential sell of the company.

"We believe EVHC can garner enough interest from financial buyers given its breadth of service offerings, deep relationships with leading hospitals systems (HCA, UHS, Ascension), relatively good cash flows that can support a much higher debt load, as well as opportunities to drive improved earnings performance through moves that are better made in a private setting," the analyst said.
 
crypto currency yo!

All kidding aside, given what we know about how a currency is valued, i think bit coin is gonna be around for a while.

Also is blades saying to short and long EVHC?
 
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My go-to casino when I feel like losing some money is to trade options on the Russell index. IWM to be specific. Trading 146 next week puts on an opening pop could be quite profitable, but very, very risky! The index is hanging around the 50 simple moving average and looking weak. Gap fills on this index are common, so 144.5 is like a magnet. Let's see what happens!
 
high risk biotech im not talking gilead or celgene stashed in that 401k but sub 100 mil market cap bios

the real rewards are found from those that have unexpected trial results..or get unexpected approval.

in the last year celator went from $1.34 to a $30 buyout over 9 weeks after a p3 trial showed much better than expected results. i got in after the results but before the buyout so made a little.

dynavax (dvax) has gone from $4 to 22 in 5 months. basically a hep b vaccine that is better than the current standard. fda gave the the runaround for 3 years mostly because GSK (makers of current vaccine had some former employees on vaccine committee..thats my opinion) but if you looked at their data the vaccine uses TLR technology and is superior to current vaccine..no longer needs 3 dosings). now looks like they will get approved after trump put in a no nonsense fda guy

they are out there just have to do your homework
 
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Just for fun I placed a small bet on the trade I mentioned last week. 146 IWM puts expiring this Friday. Bought them on the pop this morning, right near the 50 SMA. The 15 minute chart looks like the downtrend is clearly intact. I might hold these as long as end of day tomorrow. Have to be careful with time value on soon to be expiring options.
 
Check out glance technology, GLNNF. Don't know if it is going to be like RIOT

DYODD- do your own due diligence
 
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last i checked GE had taken a large hit. maybe a value play?

personally, i would put it in a Vanguard index fund. Balanced. VBIAX.
 
In February pacira will either get or be denied fda indication for nerve block. Not a bad choice if your looking for a gamble.
 
caligas said:
In February pacira will either get or be denied fda indication for nerve block. Not a bad choice if your looking for a gamble.
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Being a regional guy, I think Exparel is gonna tank, personally.

You can get just as long of duration out of bupi with Dex (~$5) as you can $300 vials of exparel. Stuff just doesn't work like advertised. Their own data doesn't support it if you really look at it. Less opioid over 24 hours. (And then the same total difference at 48 and 72 hours... I.e. the difference was made in first 24 and then didn't matter).

Bupi with Dex blocks last a good 24 to 36 hours in the adductor canal and about a good 24 for most others.

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The Physician Philosopher said:
Being a regional guy, I think Exparel is gonna tank, personally.

You can get just as long of duration out of bupi with Dex (~$5) as you can $300 vials of exparel. Stuff just doesn't work like advertised. Their own data doesn't support it if you really look at it. Less opioid over 24 hours. (And then the same total difference at 48 and 72 hours... I.e. the difference was made in first 24 and then didn't matter).

Bupi with Dex blocks last a good 24 to 36 hours in the adductor canal and about a good 24 for most others.

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Be careful over here with such reasoned, thought out ideas. According to those in the know on this board, blocks with exparel are the best thing since sliced bread, scientific evidence be dammed.
 
Tee Cell said:
So I came into some unexpected money (Under 10K). I was looking for a high risk high reward investment. I already have a retirement account, emergency account, and separate investment account. Just looking for something to do with it since I don't care to lose it.
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You say you have infinite tolerance for risk for this money. Put it all on black and keep doing so until either it's gone or you got to X multiple of the money.
 
you guys still laughing/scoffing at cryptocurrency? bitcoin at $10k now. enjoy your measly gains in stocks while continuing to mumble thats bitcoin is a bubble to everyone around you. 😏
 
The performance of the S&P 500 Index since its lows on February 2016 has indeed been notably great. But now compare this performance to the returns generated by cryptocurrencies as represented by its largest constituent by market capitalization in Bitcoin (OTCQX:GBTC).




Gains of +2073% versus +47% over the course of less than two years? Now that’s extraordinary.

Forget politics. It sounds like Bitcoin was the big topic of discussion at Thanksgiving family gatherings. Judging by the action in the price of cryptos and in new accounts at exchanges like Coinbase, returning college students and millennials convinced grandparents, parents, aunts and uncles to jump in with both feet.

It was earlier reported that Coinbase added 100K accounts between Wednesday and Friday; that's gone up to 300K (to 13.3M total) as of yesterday.

As for the price, Bitcoin has pared some of its massive gains since challenging $10K on Sunday, now trading hands at $9,557. Ether and Litecoin also posted huge advances over the weekend.

Meanwhile, hedge fund giant Ken Griffin adds his name to the list of those comparing Bitcoin and tulip bulbs.

 
The Bitcoin rally is accelerating.

The digital currency spiked through $11,000 Wednesday morning, hours after surpassing the $10,000 level for the first time. Bitcoin traded at an all-time high of $11,155.20 at around 9:00 a.m. ET, according to industry site CoinDesk. By 9:16 a.m., bitcoin had leaped all the way to $11,377.33, according to CoinDesk.

Much of that incredible gain came just about 12 hours after the cryptocurrency smashed through the $10,000 mark that many analysts had been hyping for months. But few saw it happening this quickly.


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Bitcoin is about to pop any second.

I won’t invest in anything I don’t understand, even though I’ve been following bitcoin since it was 300 bucks.

There is no use case for bitcoin that other things can do besides electronic anonymous payment that allow illegal activities.
 
Natural gas. You either make bank or lose it all, usually within a couple of days.
 
DrfluffyMD said:
Bitcoin is about to pop any second.

I won’t invest in anything I don’t understand, even though I’ve been following bitcoin since it was 300 bucks.

There is no use case for bitcoin that other things can do besides electronic anonymous payment that allow illegal activities.
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Careful, somebody is going to re-post this quote to embarrass you when bitcoin hits $20k next year. 🙂
 
caligas said:
Careful, somebody is going to re-post this quote to embarrass you when bitcoin hits $20k next year. 🙂
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There are people with a lot more dumb money than me. I still don’t see fundamental of bitcoin better than say....BCH or ethereum.
 
Beanie Babies in the nineties had higher fundamental value than bitcoin does now, and I say that as a former BTC bull.
 
So I actually decided on the crytocurrency route. With a mix of bitcoin and some alt coins made a pretty nice profit already . Kinda feel the market is about the same as "just putting it on black"
 
Bitcoin broke above the $12,000 mark Wednesday morning Asia-time, as the cryptocurrency continued its march higher.

The digital currency quickly leaped further. As of 12:19 p.m., ET, bitcoin traded about 8.5 percent higher near $12,684, according to industry site CoinDesk. Earlier in the day, bitcoin hit a record high of $12,810.22.

The bitcoin offshoot, bitcoin cash, traded slightly lower near $1,507, while digital currency ethereum also traded slightly lower near $441, according to CoinMarketCap.


Bitcoin began 2017 at less than $1,000 per token, but it has been on an absolute tear in recent months: It crossed $5,000 in October and touched above $11,000 for the first time less than two months later, according to CoinDesk data.

Bitcoin 12-month performance

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Source: CoinDesk.

With Wednesday morning's spike, bitcoin now has a total market value of about $213 billion — more than twice Goldman Sachs' market cap.

All of the digital asset's explosive growth has come against a backdrop of steady criticism from many financial luminaries.

For one, Stephen Roach, Yale University senior fellow and the former Asia chairman and chief economist at investment bank Morgan Stanley, told CNBC on Tuesday that he was deeply skeptical of investing in bitcoin.

"This is a toxic concept for investors," said Roach, who has been described by Yale as one of Wall Street's most influential economists. "This is a dangerous speculative bubble by any shadow or stretch of the imagination."

"I've never seen a chart of a security where the price really has a vertical pattern to it. And bitcoin is the most vertical of any pattern I've ever seen in my career," he added.

Yet many elements of the financial world have embraced the new crypto asset class: Major exchanges like the CME and Cboe have helped legitimize the currency's investment credentials by saying they plan to introduce futures contracts to their respective exchanges.
 
Bitcoin is 'digital gold' for millennials and could reach the '$100,000 range,' says strategist Tom Lee
 
while cryptocurrency/blockchain might eventually be seen as "digital gold", that really doesn't mean Bitcoin or Ethereum or whatever else will be. They are versions of a concept. Even if the concept works, those versions might be rapidly be seen as worthless as something better comes along.


I find the concept interesting, but I recognize the limitations of my scope of knowledge with investing and this clearly falls outside. Looks like tulipmania to me and if I miss out I won't miss any sleep because I'm confident with the investments I already have. I'm unwilling to put enough money into this that even if it returned 10x it would make a dent in my portfolio.
 
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