best programs in cali & nyc??

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just curious if anyone has any personal experience with any programs in these 2 areas? i'm looking @ ucsd, uci, mt. sinai, columbia, cornell, lennox hill.

i'm not interested in holding sticks for 3 years. so which of these programs are the most balanced?
 
What do you mean by holding sticks?!

Try Kern and San Joaquin. uclacrewdude is at san joaquin - PM him
 
NDESTRUKT said:
What do you mean by holding sticks?!
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He means "holding hook" - just standing around holding retractors, watching others operate.

Try Kern and San Joaquin. uclacrewdude is at san joaquin - PM him
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The title was BEST programs in Cali and NY. Kern and San Joaquin are considered in no conversations that I am aware of that discusses the best surgical residencies in California.

Even if you leave location out of it (Bako and French Camp/Stockton are hardly the nicer areas of California), these are not amongst the best respected programs...that is not to say that you won't be a competent surgeon graduating from one of these, but I would never include them as best programs. I'm fairly sure uclacrewdude would agree.

UCSD suffers from its malignant rep - reportedly its gotten better over the years and if interested in trauma, it doesn't see much penetrating, but as a resident that shouldn't be your primary concern.

UCI is one of those places that most people outside of California have never heard of; that isn't necessarily bad, but I think most people in academic surgery outside of Cali would say, "where"?

Conventional wisdom has UCSF (not including the Fresno or East Bay branches), Stanford and UCLA at the top of most people's list of the best surgical residencies in California. Close would also be Santa Barbara Cottage, Cedars and possibly USC (very old school, traditional approach).

Despite the above, the OP needs to define what he means by "best". It is likely he means "best academic reputation" but the best residency for someone isn't necessarily at the place with the best rep - geographics obviously play a huge role for many when choosing a residency, as does autonomy, rep for teaching, research opportunities (if into that stuff), etc.
 
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Oops, my bad.

Cottage? Is it really that good? I've heard this before, but I've never heard it lauded as such outside of these forums.

What about Kaiser LA, and UCLA-Harbor?

I've heard UCI is a decent program with a pretty good lifestyle.
 
i'm looking for a well balanced program. i want solid academics but developing technical skills is paramount. i'm very interested in microsurgery (presented my papers @ american recon microsurg in puerto rico in jan 07) and PRS. i'm having a hard time deciding b/w ENT and GSurg.

Does anyone know about: Sinai (Manhattan), Columbia, NYU, Cornell, Jackson Memorial-Miami, UCIrvine?
 
I am Hans said:
\UCSD suffers from its malignant rep - reportedly its gotten better over the years and if interested in trauma, it doesn't see much penetrating, but as a resident that shouldn't be your primary concern.

UCI is one of those places that most people outside of California have never heard of; that isn't necessarily bad, but I think most people in academic surgery outside of Cali would say, "where"?
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Just to throw in my two cents. I think UCSD is a VERY Good program. I ranked them ahead of UCSF by a long shot if I was going to pick a best program in cali, ucsd would be it. And no...im not a resident there.

UCI is not good. In fact, I would go so far as to say it's bad. Thier board scores are piss poor and they don't have a real good rep.
 
dynx said:
Just to throw in my two cents. I think UCSD is a VERY Good program. I ranked them ahead of UCSF by a long shot if I was going to pick a best program in cali, ucsd would be it. And no...im not a resident there.

UCI is not good. In fact, I would go so far as to say it's bad. Thier board scores are piss poor and they don't have a real good rep.
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Thanks for your input. My post above wasn't meant to state that UCSD wasn't a good program, but rather it *does* have a reputation for being malignant and more traditional. Whether that has changed or not, I'm not sure...but you will get good teaching there, from all accounts.

As for UCI, I was not aware that they did poorly on the boards - it appears from this document https://home.absurgery.org/xfer/fyp2007summary.pdf that they don't do great, but there are other programs, including those in California that do worse.

Anyway, thanks for your input.
 
I looked on UCI's website and they stated a personal interview wasn't required?! what's that mean!?
 
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I looked on UCI's website and they stated a personal interview wasn't required?! what's that mean!?
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It is a bit vague and misleading, I agree. I think they mean that they don't require a independent interview if you are doing a rotation there, just the regular, scheduled group interviews.

If you go to the application page, they clearly talk about interviews here: http://www.ucihs.uci.edu/som/surgery/index.html

as they do in the sentence right after the one on the Dept Chair's message about not needing a personal interview.
 
Does anyone know about Harbor-UCLA? It looks like there are quite a number of FMG's in that program but it seems like a good program to me!

Same with UC Davis, Kaiser, UCI (already been talked about I guess).

USC seems way too busy.

Any comments?
 
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