Best Senior Resident Qualities?

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As a soon-to-be senior resident in general surgery, I want to create a positive environment for my interns and medical students (both at and outside of work).

What is something a senior resident did that positively impacted your life?

I'll take the best stories and try to pay it forward!

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As a soon-to-be senior resident in general surgery, I want to create a positive environment for my interns and medical students (both at and outside of work).

What is something a senior resident did that positively impacted your life?

I'll take the best stories and try to pay it forward!
You are an amazing person for taking this effort. Had a horrible experience due to a malignant senior resident in one rotation. Had an amazing experience in another due to awesome senior resident.
The awesome one was
-Warm and welcoming. Never condescending
-Explained things to us. Realized as students even if we go above and beyond, we will not know certain things, and that's okay-the point is to learn, not be punished
-A good mentor and empathized with us in times of need, pointed us in right directions career-wise
-Encouraged us when we did a good job
 
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Retain perspective on appropriate knowledge and skills for each level of the individuals under your charge. Everything else falls into place between that and basic respect. I'm sure you will be great since you even considered making this thread.
 
Surgery was one of my rotations I was looking forward to, but the instruction was very limited. I articulated I wanted to be a surgeon one day, unfortunately that didn’t seem to matter. The residents kept to themselves and didn't include students in a lot of the daily work flow. I still want to be a surgeon, but general appears a lot less desirable. Help those who show interest in your craft maybe.
 
As a soon-to-be senior resident in general surgery, I want to create a positive environment for my interns and medical students (both at and outside of work).

What is something a senior resident did that positively impacted your life?

I'll take the best stories and try to pay it forward!
Bravo. We need more people like you in medicine
 
As a soon-to-be senior resident in general surgery, I want to create a positive environment for my interns and medical students (both at and outside of work).

What is something a senior resident did that positively impacted your life?

I'll take the best stories and try to pay it forward!
@OnePunchBiopsy ...

Here are my initial thoughts:

1. Treated others with respect (and I mean everyone).

2. Modeled good bedside practice with patients.

3. Communicated clear expectations (and knew when to be flexibile, when appropriate).

4. Knew how to prioritize, manage and delegate in an efficient manner.

5. Provided trustworthy mentorship for improving technical competency and professional confidence. This helped junior residents (or over-eager newly-minted medical school graduates) not to overestimate their levels of medical expertise or technical skills just because they "think" they're fledgling super-surgery rock stars. Provided key learning points and constructive (and accurate) feedback during discussions/meetings/rounds/practice.

6. Provided firm leadership and modeled healthy professional boundaries (e.g., being able to manage different personalities).

7. Advocated for the patient (and for junior residents), when appropriate.

8. Maintained good self-care and balance (by taking good care of themselves and having a life).
 
Must be a leader and have all the qualities that go along with it.

Make sure that your junior and senior residents provide a good experience to the medical students from your home program. My former chief emphasized that as this is how we recruit the best and brightest from our school. If an applicant for residency spent time on our service, we had a clear picture of what they might be like as a resident.

Work them hard, they need to understand the lifestyle, but make certain they are not forgotten and included in consults, the OR and taught.

Teaching includes relieving them for lecture, journal club, give at least one bedside lecture a day. They will be residents soon enough and required to work through lectures on occasion.

Pimping is fair game. Make sure to only take them just past their level of knowledge so they understand there is still more to learn. This goes for 3rd yr students to junior residents. No need to be rude unless you get attitude.

Consider your needs last when making the schedule for your fellow residents.

These are a few thoughts. Congratulations on your Chief year! Good luck and best wishes!
 
Must be a leader and have all the qualities that go along with it.

Make sure that your junior and senior residents provide a good experience to the medical students from your home program. My former chief emphasized that as this is how we recruit the best and brightest from our school. If an applicant for residency spent time on our service, we had a clear picture of what they might be like as a resident.

Work them hard, they need to understand the lifestyle, but make certain they are not forgotten and included in consults, the OR and taught.

Teaching includes relieving them for lecture, journal club, give at least one bedside lecture a day. They will be residents soon enough and required to work through lectures on occasion.

Pimping is fair game. Make sure to only take them just past their level of knowledge so they understand there is still more to learn. This goes for 3rd yr students to junior residents. No need to be rude unless you get attitude.

Consider your needs last when making the schedule for your fellow residents.

These are a few thoughts. Congratulations on your Chief year! Good luck and best wishes!

this is bad advice if the student doesn’t want to be there..if they are interested in surgery sure work them hard..if not let them go home at a reasonable time..
 
this is bad advice if the student doesn’t want to be there..if they are interested in surgery sure work them hard..if not let them go home at a reasonable time..
I disagree with you. I dont think letting students set the parameters of what they do or need to learn is a good idea. I'm not interested in anatomy, so I'll just skip it? Any student unwilling to work hard for 4 weeks maybe picked the wrong profession. Being a good physician requires perspective from all specialties. Opinions vary.
 
I disagree with you. I dont think letting students set the parameters of what they do or need to learn is a good idea. I'm not interested in anatomy, so I'll just skip it? Any student unwilling to work hard for 4 weeks maybe picked the wrong profession. Being a good physician requires perspective from all specialties. Opinions vary.

surgery is 9 weeks not 4..if you don’t want to do surgery you shouldn’t be worked as hard as people that want to do it..we might disagree but your type of people are not popular with students
 
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surgery is 9 weeks not 4..if you don’t want to do surgery you shouldn’t be worked as hard as people that want to do it..we might disagree but your type of people are not popular with students
Popularity is not that important to me. The education of the student is. Quibbling over 4 or 9 weeks is a weak argument. What if I dont want to do psych, which I didnt. I should get an abbreviated rotation? This is allowing the inmates to run the asylum, to use an overused cliche. Looks like we wont agree on this one. It's ok.
 
Popularity is not that important to me. The education of the student is. Quibbling over 4 or 9 weeks is a weak argument. What if I dont want to do psych, which I didnt. I should get an abbreviated rotation? This is allowing the inmates to run the asylum, to use an overused cliche. Looks like we wont agree on this one. It's ok.

Im not sure what you’re talking about..the point of this thread is what do students want in a senior resident..they would want my style much more than yours..which is the point of this thread
 
Im not sure what you’re talking about..the point of this thread is what do students want in a senior resident..they would want my style much more than yours..which is the point of this thread
I was responding to your post and your assertion that students should not be worked hard if they weren't interested in surgery. You criticized my comment on working the students hard, hence my response to you. Hope this helps.
 
Im not sure what you’re talking about..the point of this thread is what do students want in a senior resident..they would want my style much more than yours..which is the point of this thread

It’s kind of sad that most students’ idea of a good senior resident is one that lets them go home early.
 
It’s kind of sad that most students’ idea of a good senior resident is one that lets them go home early.

no, a persons idea of a good senior is very dependent on the person, that’s why it’s essential to get to know your students to understand their goals, intentions, plans for the future. Someone going into psych for example should not be forced to stay 12 hours a day watching surgeries and **** like that..it’s a complete waste of time..obviously there are very annoying seniors that will force you to stay..they are the unpopular ones
 
Strongly disagree.

If there is no work to be done, sure send people home. But everyone should get worked hard on surgery. It is part of the education.

this is bad advice if the student doesn’t want to be there..if they are interested in surgery sure work them hard..if not let them go home at a reasonable time..
 
no, a persons idea of a good senior is very dependent on the person, that’s why it’s essential to get to know your students to understand their goals, intentions, plans for the future. Someone going into psych for example should not be forced to stay 12 hours a day watching surgeries and **** like that..it’s a complete waste of time..obviously there are very annoying seniors that will force you to stay..they are the unpopular ones

If only there were things to learn from specialties other than the one you want to go into.
 
Go figure why today's interns are so weaksauce.
They should go to NP school so they can learn "only what's important."

Guys, if it wasn't abdunantly clear what makes you superior and able to demand a higher salary than midlevels is stuff like this. Either get over it or become a midlevel. It's important.
 
no, a persons idea of a good senior is very dependent on the person, that’s why it’s essential to get to know your students to understand their goals, intentions, plans for the future. Someone going into psych for example should not be forced to stay 12 hours a day watching surgeries and **** like that..it’s a complete waste of time..obviously there are very annoying seniors that will force you to stay..they are the unpopular ones

You are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to learn to become a doctor. That involves learning things not 100% directly related to your perceived specialty of interest. You’re also 3rd year medical student with half their formal education left. You need to have a legitimate surgical (and medical and pediatric and gynecologic etc) rotational experience.

I’d you’re doing psych, these are the only weeks of your life you’ll learn surgery. Utilize them effectively. You knew what you were signing up for.
 
You are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to learn to become a doctor. That involves learning things not 100% directly related to your perceived specialty of interest. You’re also 3rd year medical student with half their formal education left. You need to have a legitimate surgical (and medical and pediatric and gynecologic etc) rotational experience.

I’d you’re doing psych, these are the only weeks of your life you’ll learn surgery. Utilize them effectively. You knew what you were signing up for.

im a psych resident..I’m past all of that..I was giving advice as a resident..students want time to study..not to watch their 15th lap chole..now you can make up whatever you want and say that everything you learn is important..that’s not true lol. I have forgotten 90 percent of what I’ve learned in my surgery rotation..it doesn’t matter at all..and it won’t matter for pretty much every other non surgery specialty. Is it important to do surgery? Yes..but you can get a good experience leaving at 4 versus staying till 7 everyday..and students appreciate that a lot more and potentially could learn more if they had more time to study
 
Meh I am an MS4 applying to psych and it would not have been fair to my cohort if I got to go home early just because I didn’t like being in the OR. What I would have appreciated is some awareness that I did want to do psych and some allowance of me to spend more time with patients with delerium or catatonia or anxiety. On this note, if your med student has seen their patients, done their notes, etc and they ask to go spend more time with a patient either walking them or talking to them - please let them! On surgery when I asked this I was always told my priority needed to be in the OR, even when it was the umpteenth hernia repair I had scrubbed into and there was another student who wanted the case.

More generally, I think Doctor-S hit the nail on the head. Senior residents that made an impression on me are ones who were respectful, provided guidance, had aspirational bedside manner and patient interactions, and were advocates for both the patient and members of the team. A minor thing that I appreciated is letting students choose what patients they wanted to follow as well as their own topic of student presentations because I like self-directed learning. An above and beyond thing I appreciated from one senior resident was pointing out the uniqueness of a case and some assistance in developing a case report that I was then able to present and publish with them.
 
I’m going to clarify what I said about going home early, as it seems many others here are having a fit about “it’s part of your training” blah blah blah.

I agree the med student should be there during the normal working hours whatever that may be - that’s just like any other rotation. Better put, I guess what I mean is “send the med student home on time” and don’t keep them for extra crap when they’re not on call. The days are long, so as a resident myself I don’t like keeping them unnecessarily past quitting time. I get paid to be there, they don’t.
 
I’m going to clarify what I said about going home early, as it seems many others here are having a fit about “it’s part of your training” blah blah blah.

I agree the med student should be there during the normal working hours whatever that may be - that’s just like any other rotation. Better put, I guess what I mean is “send the med student home on time” and don’t keep them for extra crap when they’re not on call. The days are long, so as a resident myself I don’t like keeping them unnecessarily past quitting time. I get paid to be there, they don’t.

Agree with this. Also, if you have students doing 24s, please do not select them to assist on the procedure that came up at the tail end of the shift, select one of the students who is just starting their day. It did nothing for me and made me feel unsafe in terms of patient care and my drive home.
 
You reaching out to ask this, as others said, says a lot about you and I'd argue being on your service may have been great even without you asking this. But since you asked:

1. like others said, home early if there's really nothing else they can be doing. This is for med students in particular. Shelf study time is valuable and you're just not studying well if you're trying to read Uworld while sitting in the workroom waiting for something that could happen at any moment.
2. don't be intimidating in the OR. I wasn't a huge fan of it when some of the folks I worked with would either yell at staff when things weren't quick enough, or would redirect me with an annoyed tone rather than one of understanding of my inexperience when I was about to cut a suture incorrectly or something of that nature. The tone with which you address people during surgery can matter a lot and I would argue you can still redirect people quickly without sounding annoyed with them.
3. Any teaching you can sneak in is awesome. Learning about some of the primary surgical problems that will appear on the shelf and how to manage them from a practical standpoint ("next best step" decision making processes) is helpful.
4. This might be a bit of a bonus if you can even get to it, but tailoring the experience to each student's interests is something to consider if you're able. Those that are interested in surgery might take a different approach, while those interested in primary care may benefit more from a surgical perspective on their role, e.g. what kinds of things need an urgent vs. elective surgery consult vs. which ones don't, how you can work with surgery to make their jobs a bit easier (ordering/sending preop labs/EKGs/imaging with the pts when referring), what to be looking for in your pts when they come to you for their first postop appointment with their PCP, etc.

Hoping your chief year goes well!
 
Well I can only say what I do as a senior/chief:

I tell them all right off that they can come and go as they please; they’re adults and if they’d rather go home and study then that’s up to them. I try to provide a value added experience that merits their time. If it doesn’t, then I trust them to make that call.

I have resorted to offering my above and beyond experiences via email after the rotation ends. These are things like taking them to the tbone lab to drill or a
Fresh cadaver lab to work on soft tissue skills. To ensure nobody feels obligated, i make the offer and ask that they email me after the rotation to set up a time. Seems to ensure that only the really interested reach out which is what I want.

For the others I try to shape their rotation based on their career plans. Everyone gets OR time but people bound for non surgical fields get a little more relevant clinic time if they want it.

I try to prep for cases with students so they see what it looks like to read for a case. Nobody taught me how to do this but I wish they had. We go through atlases, videos, imaging, hpi, etc. I try to give them specific things to review.

Intraop I try to assign students to cases where they can participate. This may mean retracting or soft tissue closure. I want them to learn skills and anatomy that’s meaningful while also in putting them where additional hands are helpful. For us, free flaps are great for students because they are big sites so easy to see, and there’s lots of sewing to be done while the fellows sew vessels. Great time to teach sewing and soft tissue handling.

I do lots of pimping as well so they are engaged and thinking. We run clinical scenarios and go through high yield chalk talks.

For true sub-i rotators I have them do all the notes and orders under my login while I watch them like a hawk. I want to give them a taste of intern year and the scut involved. It takes longer than doing it myself but I think it’s good learning.
 
Well I can only say what I do as a senior/chief:

I tell them all right off that they can come and go as they please; they’re adults and if they’d rather go home and study then that’s up to them. I try to provide a value added experience that merits their time. If it doesn’t, then I trust them to make that call.

I have resorted to offering my above and beyond experiences via email after the rotation ends. These are things like taking them to the tbone lab to drill or a
Fresh cadaver lab to work on soft tissue skills. To ensure nobody feels obligated, i make the offer and ask that they email me after the rotation to set up a time. Seems to ensure that only the really interested reach out which is what I want.

For the others I try to shape their rotation based on their career plans. Everyone gets OR time but people bound for non surgical fields get a little more relevant clinic time if they want it.

I try to prep for cases with students so they see what it looks like to read for a case. Nobody taught me how to do this but I wish they had. We go through atlases, videos, imaging, hpi, etc. I try to give them specific things to review.

Intraop I try to assign students to cases where they can participate. This may mean retracting or soft tissue closure. I want them to learn skills and anatomy that’s meaningful while also in putting them where additional hands are helpful. For us, free flaps are great for students because they are big sites so easy to see, and there’s lots of sewing to be done while the fellows sew vessels. Great time to teach sewing and soft tissue handling.

I do lots of pimping as well so they are engaged and thinking. We run clinical scenarios and go through high yield chalk talks.

For true sub-i rotators I have them do all the notes and orders under my login while I watch them like a hawk. I want to give them a taste of intern year and the scut involved. It takes longer than doing it myself but I think it’s good learning.

this is perfect
 
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