Beth Israel Deaconess?

[DrBuzzLightYear]

Any one have any thoughts on this program?

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[snowinter]

Any one have any thoughts on this program?

the website looks great.

I have related (maybe stupid) question:

Is Brigham and Women's Hospital - Massachusetts General Hospital
also affiliated with /and or a hospital of Harvard?

Is Beth Israel Deaconess the main one? or what?

I feel really dumb-- cuz I just realized I didn't apply to Beth Israel Deaconess or even look at the website .. b/c I thought BWH/MGH was the one associated with Harvard. and I really like the laparoscopic simualtor labs they have (at BID) .!!

oh well.

 

[Alexs42]

BIDMC and BWH/MGH are both associated with Harvard. However, BWH/MGH is the "original" Harvard program (Founded first). Both BWH and BIDMC are excellent hospitals located literally across the street from each other in the Longwood medical / Harvard Medical School area in Boston.
Hope this helps.
Aleks

 

[snowinter]

BIDMC and BWH/MGH are both associated with Harvard. However, BWH/MGH is the "original" Harvard program (Founded first). Both BWH and BIDMC are excellent hospitals located literally across the street from each other in the Longwood medical / Harvard Medical School area in Boston.
Hope this helps.
Aleks

Hi Alexs
yes thank you for your reply 🙂

so do you know anything else about the difference between the two programs? any reason to rank one over the other? (if you had that choice!)

thanks again -- snow 😍

 

[DrJD]

I am curious if a student from St. George's, lets say that they did really well. Top of the class, 90's on both USMLE's, good letters of rec, etc... After doing that would that student have a chance at either one of these programs? Share any experience you might have, or if you know someone or just heard it somewhere...

I am trying to get a feel for if I were to go to St. George's and pull off all of those things mentioned above, how good of programs would be available to me or any other student considering doing this...

Thanks for any thoughts!

 

[Alexs42]

Hey Snow,
I guess I cannot say much at this point in terms of comparison other than:
1. Reputation-wise, both are great programs. BWH may inkle ahead, but, both are fantastic.
2. I've done a rotation at BWH, and absolutely loved it! Relaxed program, but lots and lots and lots of teaching. Very academic, evidence-based, and geared towards translational/research approches. Depends on what you want in life : academia or private practice (I'm all about basic/translational/clinical research and unlikely to enter private practice, so it fits me very well)
3. Fellowship placements at both programs are great.
Finally, I'll interview at both, and, I guess, contact me in late december if you want more info.
Best of luck,
Aleks.

PS. Re: Medschools outside of the US I dunno? I'm in the opposite situation: US med school, foreign citizen. However, with good scores, interesting story & extracurriculars I think they should all be open.

 

[snowinter]

Hi Alexs42,
thanks for the reply! I appreciate it. (cuz I still feel really dumb for not appying to BIDC and only to BWH). where are you from? ( i mean what country). Your english seems to be fantastic-- so you must have come here when you were younger.. no?

One more question: ive thought a lot about academic career-- and in fact have done a lot of research -- but I would like to be at a program that prepares me equally for both. In other words, I'm not sure if I want a program so focused on academics that I don't feel very comfortable actually *doing* things when I come out. What do you think?
anyway -- good luck with everything!
snow 😍

Hey Snow,
I guess I cannot say much at this point in terms of comparison other than:
1. Reputation-wise, both are great programs. BWH may inkle ahead, but, both are fantastic.
2. I've done a rotation at BWH, and absolutely loved it! Relaxed program, but lots and lots and lots of teaching. Very academic, evidence-based, and geared towards translational/research approches. Depends on what you want in life : academia or private practice (I'm all about basic/translational/clinical research and unlikely to enter private practice, so it fits me very well)
3. Fellowship placements at both programs are great.
Finally, I'll interview at both, and, I guess, contact me in late december if you want more info.
Best of luck,
Aleks.

PS. Re: Medschools outside of the US I dunno? I'm in the opposite situation: US med school, foreign citizen. However, with good scores, interesting story & extracurriculars I think they should all be open.

 

[ShambhalaRed]

the website looks great.

I have related (maybe stupid) question:

Is Brigham and Women's Hospital - Massachusetts General Hospital
also affiliated with /and or a hospital of Harvard?

Is Beth Israel Deaconess the main one? or what?

I feel really dumb-- cuz I just realized I didn't apply to Beth Israel Deaconess or even look at the website .. b/c I thought BWH/MGH was the one associated with Harvard. and I really like the laparoscopic simualtor labs they have (at BID) .!!

oh well.

For more info (and if you have the time and inclination), search back to the interviews thread from last year - there was quite a bit of discussion about BWH and BIDMC's programs. The interviewees really seemed to like both, but there do seem to be differences in the personality of the programs.

 

[ShambhalaRed]

Hi Alexs42,
thanks for the reply! I appreciate it. (cuz I still feel really dumb for not appying to BIDC and only to BWH). where are you from? ( i mean what country). Your english seems to be fantastic-- so you must have come here when you were younger.. no?

One more question: ive thought a lot about academic career-- and in fact have done a lot of research -- but I would like to be at a program that prepares me equally for both. In other words, I'm not sure if I want a program so focused on academics that I don't feel very comfortable actually *doing* things when I come out. What do you think?
anyway -- good luck with everything!
snow 😍

Don't know if you applied to OHSU, but it's an academic program with a community feel, and you get well trained for both career paths. I don't know the exact stats, but probably 2/3 of the residents go on to generalist careers, while the rest go on to fellowship/academia.

 

[snowinter]

For more info (and if you have the time and inclination), search back to the interviews thread from last year - there was quite a bit of discussion about BWH and BIDMC's programs. The interviewees really seemed to like both, but there do seem to be differences in the personality of the programs.

thanks
but that darn search function has been diabled for a while now.
so I guess whenever we can search again -- i'll give it a shot.
do you remember the differences in the persoanlities of the programs?

 

[ShambhalaRed]

thanks
but that darn search function has been diabled for a while now.
so I guess whenever we can search again -- i'll give it a shot.
do you remember the differences in the persoanlities of the programs?

I've cut and pasted below what one person said last year about BI and Brigham (there are also good comments about some other New England programs):

FYI, you don't actually have to "search", just scroll down to the bottom of the main Ob/Gyn page and click on the dropdown to show threads from the past year. This came from the "rank lists!" thread.

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1) Beth Israel Deaconess:
Really good fit for me personally - community feel with supportive residents, program director, attendings, nurses (!! a huge thing after being in NY!!). Really strong surgical teaching with great numbers, no fellows to compete with - you get into the OR from day one intern year, because there is virtually no floor scut. Hospital runs very smoothly. I'm interested in international health/public health, which is the chair's (Ben Sachs) primary interest. I also liked their curriculum, with Ultrasound, ER, and General Surgery rotations during intern year. As you can tell, surgical experience was very important to me.

2) Brigham:
Can't beat the name, but from speaking with current residents there and the other applicants I met who did rotations there, it really seems like a better place to do fellowship than residency. Very fellow-heavy, esp. in Onc where they take the interesting cases, PGY3 retracts, PGY1 never sees an OR as they are on the floor. Very Onc heavy (4 rotations total!), so this can be a plus or minus depending on your interests. Residents and grads say that ultrasound is a weakness. But the residents there are very happy, love each other, love the attendings. Overall advice they seemed to give was that if you know you want a competitive fellowship and/or academics, this is a no-brainer - for more well-rounded overall clinical training and interest in being a generalist, other places may be better for you.

3) Tufts-NEMC:
Very diverse pt population, very happy residents, good surgical experience, nice hospital. But Brown would be my number 2 or 3 if not for the location!

4) BU-Boston Medical:
Recruited some of the best teachers from Brigham and BIDMC (Dr. Heffner the chair, Dr. Lee-Parritz, Dr. Jodi Abbott) so they are a definite strength. Dr. Heffner has very exciting plans for the program, and she's really committed to resident teaching. REALLY diverse pt popn, low socioeconomic status, lots of immigrants, tons of interesting exotic cases. The diversity for me was a real plus. But the program had historically been a slump in terms of reputation and numbers, and is definitely in transition (for the better)

5) Brown:
So fantastic - Brown and BIDMC were the two places where across the board, EVERYONE had really great things to say about the programs. Huge OB and surgical volume, nice happy residents, gorgeous hospital, lots of good didactics. Would definitely be higher if not for the location.

6) UMass:
Happy, social residents, program directors/chair really committed to resident teaching with lots of interesting didactics. Worcester???

7) Baystate:
Nice hospital, nice residents, pretty well-connected chair, great benefits with a low cost of living.

8) Columbia:
My home institution, definitely MFM heavy with some internationally known powerhouses, good OB cases. Onc is rebuilding after heavy losses a few years ago. Outstanding fellowship match, really really impressive. But not enough residents for the caseload, so they are REALLY stressed and often unhappy. But if you want NYC, know you want a fellowship (esp. in MFM), this would be the place.

9) Mt. Sinai:
Very front-loaded, with no night float intern year, very poor OB AND surgical experience 1st year. Why would you do this to yourself? But residents say that PGY2-4 are great, and life is good during chief year.
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[snowinter]

thanks for the post & search tip! very helpful!