Beware of UoP

[pharm120]

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I had posted this in the other pharmacy forum, but I think it really applies here to students who want to apply to schools and are having a tough time deciding which school to go to.

Basically UoP failed 23 students last semester and overall 15% of the class didn't make it to rotations (through 6 semesters).

Here is the post from the other thread. If anyone has any questions about UoP, let me know and I will answer them as honestly as I can:

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Yes I can confirm that something like this happened. We had a really bad professor. In fact, let me give you the uncurved test averages that I got from someone I know.

Midterm - 59% (counts about 25% of grade)
Test - 50% (counts about 25% of grade)
Final - 59% (counts about 35% of grade)

These are the averages BEFORE he curved and put them up on Blackboard.

After the curves they all come out to around 60-65% which is still failing.

Now let me show you the grading scale for the class according to the syllabus.

90-100 A
80-90 B
70-80 C
65-70 D
<65 F


Anyone see anything wrong with this? Yes he did curve, but basically he failed as many students as he could get away with.

In other words, if you have a choice, I would seriously stay away from UoP if they're going to let this garbage go on. If you have the choice to go to UCSF, or USC or any other reputable school that you know doesn't do stuff like this, do it and don't look back.

There are a lot of angry people from our class of 2006. There was another class that had a problem as well, but I can't really justify why people expected to pass that class when it was known from the start that you needed a 60 on the final to pass. And the class avg on that test was 76%. But even still, the school made NO effort to have a decent final exam schedule. They put 2 hard classes back to back Thur/Fri, then had a hard test Monday then a break tuesday and a very relaxed 2 unit final on Wednesday.

Basically the school did its best to hold people back and they succeeded. Now these people are kicked out for a year. BTW yes I'm bitter. I won't be seeing many of my good friends at graduation because they didn't make it. Basically 1 in every 9 students failed last semester. So if you knew 9 people, odds are 1 didn't make it. And many of these students were smart too. All it took was 1 bad test or 1 class with exams that basically no one could ever in their right mind do (half the class gets 49% or lower on it) to screw people's lives over.

 

[marrymenatalie]

Wow...what class and teacher was it 😱

Oyea..when they fail students, do students get kicked out of the program?

 

[marrymenatalie]

Oyea I forgot, what happens if you don't make it to rotations? Do you get held back 1 semester or kicked out? 😕

 

[pharm120]

Oyea I forgot, what happens if you don't make it to rotations? Do you get held back 1 semester or kicked out? 😕

You get kicked out for a year until they offer the class again next year. One bad thing is that these students had their rotation sites all set up (all over California) and to fail everyone the very last semester is pretty cruel to begin with. These people had apartments set up, not to mention many of them including myself have 100k loans at least. These loans gain interest for the entire year that you're kicked out. And yes you have to pay for this class again next year.

And all it takes is failing one class to kick you out for a year. Whether it's a 2 unit one or a 5 unit one. Whether you have a 3.9 GPA or a 2.0 GPA. If you fail a class, they kick you out no questions asked.

Back to work I go. lol Lunch time over. I'll be back later

 

[ultracet]

hmmm
i guess i feel like this is overreacting a little.

i do understand the impact of it all but every school has students that fail a class or two or several.

basically from what i'm reading.... if you fail a class you have to wait until the next year when it is offered again. i think a lot of schools are like that as well.

as far as the finals schedule.... they are never any fun... someone will always find a problem with it.

 

[pharm120]

hmmm
i guess i feel like this is overreacting a little.

i do understand the impact of it all but every school has students that fail a class or two or several.

basically from what i'm reading.... if you fail a class you have to wait until the next year when it is offered again. i think a lot of schools are like that as well.

as far as the finals schedule.... they are never any fun... someone will always find a problem with it.

Do these pharmacy schools have test averages in the 50's when a 65 and up is needed to pass according to the syllabus? If a pharmacy school's intention is to not give every single person a chance to pass, I would look for another school to be quite honest. Weeding out is for 1st and 2nd year of undergrad.

Now whether students choose to study is a whole different topic. We've had classes where the course averages were in the 70's and people failed, and they deserved it. But no one deserves what happened here.

 

[ultracet]

Do these pharmacy schools have test averages in the 50's when a 65 and up is needed to pass according to the syllabus? If a pharmacy school's intention is to not give every single person a chance to pass, I would look for another school to be quite honest. Weeding out is for 1st and 2nd year of undergrad.

Now whether students choose to study is a whole different topic. We've had classes where the course averages were in the 70's and people failed, and they deserved it. But no one deserves what happened here.

every person does have the chance to pass. they didn't fail everyone did they? they didn't go through the class roster and say "don't bother.. you fail" did they?

i understand your frustrations i just think you're overreacting

and yes our grading scale is exactly the same as yours!

 

[marrymenatalie]

Do these pharmacy schools have test averages in the 50's when a 65 and up is needed to pass according to the syllabus? If a pharmacy school's intention is to not give every single person a chance to pass, I would look for another school to be quite honest. Weeding out is for 1st and 2nd year of undergrad.

Now whether students choose to study is a whole different topic. We've had classes where the course averages were in the 70's and people failed, and they deserved it. But no one deserves what happened here.

Somebody in your class or a group of students should go the Dean about this because the rescaling of the curve should be 50% test score as a B-/C+ average.

Now I have second thoughts about wanting to go to UOP 😕

 

[crossjb]

Now I have second thoughts about wanting to go to UOP 😕

While this sounds bad, don't have second thoughts about anything.

You'll hear horror stories about any school you attend. Guaranteed.

 

[pharm120]

Somebody did go to the Dean. And it didn't do any good. And no not everyone had the chance to pass. How on earth do you think 200+ students could get above 65% on every test when the class AVERAGE was a failing score, one test even 15% below failing. Maybe you've never had unfair exams before that don't test on what was taught or on stuff that was taught so poorly that you can't succeed in it.

Basically he was going to fail people no matter what because hell would freeze over before everyone got above 65. Whether you were in that bottom 10-15 determined if you failed or not. I was one of the ones to barely make it, but I know it could have easily been me.

If you're going to pay 100,000 to a school, the LEAST you can ask for is a fair class. And that's not what we got at UoP last semester. Sorry if it scares you, I'm just trying to give a heads up to anyone interested. And I wasn't going to post anything until Riskhk brought it up.

 

[Caverject]

Sounds like some students at UOP have no sense of self responsibility. The first step once you make it into pharmacy school is to grow up.

 

[annievu]

i think we have to be more serious of pre-pharmacy courses so we can be in good shape in pharmacy school....or else people would just fail and fail like this...it's real sad....

 

[AnnieVo]

i think we have to be more serious of pre-pharmacy courses so we can be in good shape in pharmacy school....or else people would just fail and fail like this...it's real sad....

what isotope?

 

[ndearwater]

Are you asking what is an isotope? It's a form of an element with a different number of neutrons but the same protons (thus same chemical properties). For example, Carbon-12 and Carbon-14. Both have 6 protons; Carbon-14 has 8 neutrons though.