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[bamabcs]

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I took general bio this semester. (its my senior yr) and when I didn't do good on the first test we had I ignored the signs. Anyway middle way throughout the semester my grade was falling and I naively kept myself in the class instead of dropping out because I thought I could "still get a good grade with hard work." Bottom line I didn't do so hot in the class and my gpa is in the 2.5 range. I had a cumulative 3.6 last year and I am wondering if pharm schools (preferrably 0-6/ early assurance) will take that into account? Is there anyway I could hide that on my transcript? Ah what should I do?

 

[nicolemsm]

I took general bio this semester. (its my senior yr) and when I didn't do good on the first test we had I ignored the signs. Anyway middle way throughout the semester my grade was falling and I naively kept myself in the class instead of dropping out because I thought I could "still get a good grade with hard work." Bottom line I didn't do so hot in the class and my gpa is in the 2.5 range. I had a cumulative 3.6 last year and I am wondering if pharm schools (preferrably 0-6/ early assurance) will take that into account? Is there anyway I could hide that on my transcript? Ah what should I do?

How'd you drop from a 3.6 to 2.5? Are you hiding the fact you failed other classes too?? Of course they'll take it into account and seeing as it IS your senior year you really can't make up that class / show improvement. I'm not sure if you've already applied (I'm pretty sure app deadlines are closed) so when do you plan on applying? Also, you can't hide anything on your transcript. That's called academic dishonesty- plus transcripts get sent directly from your hs to the colleges you're applying to.... I'm not sure how you could hide it (unless you have connections in the record dept) So my question is, what are your SAT scores and what schools are you thinking of going to?

 

[bamabcs]

Well I haven't taken the SAT yet but I am scheduled for the next test. I took the ACT but I got a composite 20.... which means I have to have to do super good on the SAT.. Currently im considering MWU, Ohio State, Rutgers. But im not sure how in the world they would evaluate me... I truly don't want this to set me back a year or two.. I take part-time college classes and I guess bio never stuck with me.. I got a D.. How do I make myself the competitive applicant I once was in this little time? Do I have to say goodbye to my chance of being admitted to a EA or 0-6 Program

 

[nicolemsm]

Well I haven't taken the SAT yet but I am scheduled for the next test. I took the ACT but I got a composite 20.... which means I have to have to do super good on the SAT.. Currently im considering MWU, Ohio State, Rutgers. But im not sure how in the world they would evaluate me... I truly don't want this to set me back a year or two.. I take college classes and I guess bio never stuck with me..

I can tell you this, MWU doesn't have a 0-6 they're a graduate school with a 2+ 3 /4 yr option @ either campus...

If you're a senior now, I don't believe you'll be able to apply to a 0-6 since you would have needed to apply before December/January? Correct me if I'm wrong....

Also, with your situation, I would really recommend looking into local community colleges and taking 2yrs of pre-reqs then applying to a 3 or 4 yr program. Did you take an AP or IB courses in high school?


If you check out these links below you should be able to size yourself up with other candidates to see where you need to be headed.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=621520


http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=508083

EDIT: I saw you edited your post, so I'll answer your question.
You won't be setting yourself back by starting off @ community college and doing 2 yrs of pre-reqs.
I was in your position just recently. I graduated high school early and instead of staying my senior year (which would be this yr) I decided to get out and go to community college, get my pre-reqs and apply to school. I thought I regretted my decision, however, it is actually better. So what, 0-6 early assurance.... maybe you'll change your major - take this time (2yrs in college) to decide what you want to do, shadow a pharmacist, volunteer, build your resume. Get your cpht.... branch out. This gives you so many more options. Mind you 0-6 programs are very expensive. If you go to a CC you'll save tons of cash and probably do very well in your classes since the transition from high school to college won't be much of a transition... that's just me. So far I'm doing pretty good. I bet you will do fine too... think this out.

 

[bamabcs]

Wow... You're making excellent points. But if I finish my pre-reqs at a community college and apply to a pharm program will I be as competitive as those who finished there pre-reqs at a University?

 

[nicolemsm]

Wow... You're making excellent points. But if I finish my pre-reqs at a community college and apply to a pharm program will I be as competitive as those who finished there pre-reqs at a University?

Of course you will, it just depends on the schools you apply to however. Some schools (Rutgers I know) look down upon CC credits but there are some schools who accept CC credits just like any other college/university credits. It all depends on WHERE you want to go. I like to think it doesn't matter where you go as long as you go- i mean come on do you really want 200k in debt for an "ivy/well known" PharmD or virtually none by staying instate and getting the same PharmD from your state school? Of course if you want to finish in 3 yrs (5 w/ prereqs) there are a ton of schools who offer a quicker entry into pharmacy but that also has a price tag... It's all about what you want to do. Have you researched and sectors of pharmacy?Research, clinical, retail, compound, nuclear, etc? What interests you?

 

[Carboxide]

Of course you will, it just depends on the schools you apply to however. Some schools (Rutgers I know) look down upon CC credits but there are some schools who accept CC credits just like any other college/university credits. It all depends on WHERE you want to go. I like to think it doesn't matter where you go as long as you go- i mean come on do you really want 200k in debt for an "ivy/well known" PharmD or virtually none by staying instate and getting the same PharmD from your state school? Of course if you want to finish in 3 yrs (5 w/ prereqs) there are a ton of schools who offer a quicker entry into pharmacy but that also has a price tag... It's all about what you want to do. Have you researched and sectors of pharmacy?Research, clinical, retail, compound, nuclear, etc? What interests you?

I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.

1). Many schools DO view CC credits as inferior to university. If you do poorly at CC, that could mean a big black X on your application because if you can't handle community college, how in the world will you handle pharmacy school? (I've been to both CC and university - CC was SIGNIFICANTLY easier.)

2). While at THIS TIME the school doesn't really matter, the market is getting more saturated and by the time you graduate it very well may matter. I wouldn't take out an extra hundred thousand to go to a top five school, but I would very definitely take the school into consideration. And the best schools rarely accept CC students (if ever; some of the top schools require a bachelor's).

3). A lot of schools' prereqs can no longer be completed in 2 years. If you're going to put three years into your prereqs, you might as well get the bachelor's.

 

[nicolemsm]

I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.

1). Many schools DO view CC credits as inferior to university. If you do poorly at CC, that could mean a big black X on your application because if you can't handle community college, how in the world will you handle pharmacy school? (I've been to both CC and university - CC was SIGNIFICANTLY easier.)

2). While at THIS TIME the school doesn't really matter, the market is getting more saturated and by the time you graduate it very well may matter. I wouldn't take out an extra hundred thousand to go to a top five school, but I would very definitely take the school into consideration. And the best schools rarely accept CC students (if ever; some of the top schools require a bachelor's).

3). A lot of schools' prereqs can no longer be completed in 2 years. If you're going to put three years into your prereqs, you might as well get the bachelor's.

Reread my post, I did say it depends on WHAT school you apply to. Some schools of course will not even look @ CC credits- I mentioned that. Some view them equally to universities.... It's all about the candidate. Not the school. Oh you have strong LOR, work experience, volunteer? It's not all about the school.

Of course, it's all about personal opinion. If you want to waste 50k / yr + on tuition go you... I care to not... I'm poor as it is so if I can save money and get the same degree so be it. It's all a matter of personal opinion. I don't think a bachelors will do me well in the long run so I've decided it's unnecessary to waste two more yrs if I can apply after getting my pre-reqs... that's my 2cents take it with a grain of salt.

Lastly, you mention pre-reqs can be completed in 2 years... well amazing, mine are going to be completed in that much time. And I have 10 schools on my list.... so IT IS POSSIBLE AND CAN be done.... triple up course work. Take 18 credits and do summer classes- it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put together and educational plan that can be completed in 2 years....

 

[Carboxide]

Reread my post, I did say it depends on WHAT school you apply to. Some schools of course will not even look @ CC credits- I mentioned that. Some view them equally to universities.... It's all about the candidate. Not the school. Oh you have strong LOR, work experience, volunteer? It's not all about the school.

🙄 Go back and reread your OWN post. First words: "Of course you will!" (In response to him asking if he will be viewed the same. That's a misrepresentation and I was clarifying.)

Of course, it's all about personal opinion. If you want to waste 50k / yr + on tuition go you... I care to not... I'm poor as it is so if I can save money and get the same degree so be it. It's all a matter of personal opinion. I don't think a bachelors will do me well in the long run so I've decided it's unnecessary to waste two more yrs if I can apply after getting my pre-reqs... that's my 2cents take it with a grain of salt.

Actually, I'm paying 20k/year for a top five school. Thanks. But when I graduate, I'll be basically guaranteed a job, and your no-name brand new unranked school might not get you ANYWHERE. If you want to do a residency, you may need a well-known school to be competitive. If you want a hospital job, don't go to that brand new school. If you just want to lick and stick...well, that's your prerogative. The point is, you don't know that it will be the same in 4 years. Look around in the pharmacy forum - there's been a LOT of discussion on where your degree is from.

Lastly, you mention pre-reqs can be completed in 2 years... well amazing, mine are going to be completed in that much time. And I have 10 schools on my list.... so IT IS POSSIBLE AND CAN be done.... triple up course work. Take 18 credits and do summer classes- it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put together and educational plan that can be completed in 2 years....

Why yes, I DID mention that prereqs CAN be completed in 2 years. I also said that MANY SCHOOLS' PREREQS CANNOT. Let me guess - many of those ten schools (if not all) are unranked and/or brand new schools. As I said (if you can read, which I highly question), if you are going to take 3 years to complete them anyways you might as well get a bachelor's. I think mine will serve me well...I've taken a lot of upper division classes which will put me way ahead in pharmacy school.

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[nicolemsm]

Why yes, I DID mention that prereqs CAN be completed in 2 years. I also said that MANY SCHOOLS' PREREQS CANNOT. Let me guess - many of those ten schools (if not all) are unranked and/or brand new schools. As I said (if you can read, which I highly question), if you are going to take 3 years to complete them anyways you might as well get a bachelor's. I think mine will serve me well...I've taken a lot of upper division classes which will put me way ahead in pharmacy school.

Okay good for you.... 20k for a top five... great... want a cookie? All the schools I'm applying to ARE not brand new and are ranked... so nice job on assuming...👍
Once again.... let me reiterate... no they're all ranked. Only 2 private schools in the mix 🙂 rest public research schools 😉. The value of a bachelors is worthless especially in the sciences, better yet in liberal arts (which I'm hoping you majored in neither)... Anyways best of luck with your top five 20k school & bachelor's. I'm fine with my CC education and goals for the future. Plus I'm not into competitions with people on the internet with 3+ years on me....

Also, you're not serious with this red colored response are you??? My original QUOTE.... which you miscontrued SAID :
"Of course you will, it just depends on the schools you apply to however. "

HMMMMMMM

Actually, I'm paying 20k/year for a top five school. Thanks. But when I graduate, I'll be basically guaranteed a job, and your no-name brand new unranked school might not get you ANYWHERE. If you want to do a residency, you may need a well-known school to be competitive. If you want a hospital job, don't go to that brand new school. If you just want to lick and stick...well, that's your prerogative. The point is, you don't know that it will be the same in 4 years. Look around in the pharmacy forum - there's been a LOT of discussion on where your degree is from.

EDIT I'd also like to ask what you base ranking off of?Prestige from some BS website that says UCSF is the best, the rest just follow... or is it your OWN assumptions?

 

[UES Girl]

Okay good for you.... 20k for a top five... great... want a cookie? All the schools I'm applying to ARE not brand new and are ranked... so nice job on assuming...👍
Once again.... let me reiterate... no they're all ranked. Only 2 private schools in the mix 🙂 rest public research schools 😉. The value of a bachelors is worthless especially in the sciences, better yet in liberal arts (which I'm hoping you majored in neither)... Anyways best of luck with your top five 20k school & bachelor's. I'm fine with my CC education and goals for the future. Plus I'm not into competitions with people on the internet with 3+ years on me....

Also, you're not serious with this red colored response are you??? My original QUOTE.... which you miscontrued SAID :
"Of course you will, it just depends on the schools you apply to however. "

HMMMMMMM


EDIT I'd also like to ask what you base ranking off of?Prestige from some BS website that says UCSF is the best, the rest just follow... or is it your OWN assumptions?

What is going on in this thread ?


Why so much immature negativity ? Slow down there, guys. Discussions can be held in much more constructive and civilized fashion.


I am not even going to involve myself into this mess but one point I want to mention is:

From my perspective as someone who double majored before starting pharmacy school and now being a pharmacy student: Bachelor degrees are not wortheless, especially not in strong sciences like biochemistry, bioengineering, chemistry and etc. Aside from the fact that without a degree, it may not even be possible to apply to certain schools, they embed you with extent of information that far exceeds your basic pre-req knowledge level.

There is a night in day in the levels of skills and knowledge that someone has been exposed to in their two years of taking pre-reqs and in their last years of finishing Bachelor's. With bachelor in sciences you may be exposed to graduate level classes with difficulty level comparable, if not even higher imo, of those in pharmacy school.

There are several classes I've taken as an undergrad that were waaaay harder than my pharm classes.

Your skillset comes in handy when you are juggling 7-9 classes at a time and you won't really have to really learn everything from scratch - mostly review. This is where your BS in science comes handy.

 

[atticus27]

 

[Tinkerbell22]

I agree Cheb... I really think there is a reason the California schools put so much weight in the 4 year degree and I won't be surprised if othe schools follow suit. I know I've changed SIGNIFICANTLY in my last 2 years of college and I also deeply value the level of education I received.