Blouse my boots???

[cmeshy]

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Quick question...I am prior enlisted now nat'l guard 2nd year med student with Airborne rating and am curious if I am still eligible to blouse my dress uniform pants over my jump boots or do I go with the regular "leg" style uniform of those silly shiny plastic dress shoes?

Also since I'm here, is there even a chance in hell that I may jump again? Do I somehow increase my odds if I'm am attached to an Airborne unit or since I haven't jumped since Nov 2002 that I may have to go all the way back to Airborne school and get requaled?

Thanks

 

[73BARMYPgsp]

Not sure when you will get a chance to wear your Class A's as a 2nd year med student, unless you are talking about OBLC in the summer. Please don't blouse your pants with jump boots at OBLC. You will just call attention to yourself.

 

[cmeshy]

I am not an HPSP student. I wear my uniform once a month as most guard members do, and I have a dress uniform inspection as well as a formal military dress event coming up which is why I have raised this issue. I suppose I could look up my question in the regs but I was just curious if people were aware if the new dress uniform calls for blousing of boots for Airborne qual personnel. There is no one in my unit at the time either whom has wings that I could address.

I am not trying to draw attention to myself either. However, I am proud of my uniform and my prior service and the aray of ribbons and badges on my chest usually draw eyes without saying a word. Especially since they notice I am a butter bar. I was just curious how to wear my uniform to its sharpest appearance.


Still am learning all these new regs too since I crossed over from the blue. Thanks but don't reply if you're trying to be a sass either.

 

[73BARMYPgsp]

Well, the basic concept I was trying to convey is the same. Wear what everyone else in your unit wears. Otherwise, they will sing the Sesame Street song "one of these things is not like the other" to you. Not trying to be sassy, but if you want to blouse your pants because you think it looks cool (ie the comment about silly plastic shoes) or to show how proud of being Airborne you are, I think that's the wrong answer.

If you are "attached" to that unit, I might see it.

 

[abnatc]

You have to be in an airborne unit to wear your jump boots with your class A. If you're in a leg unit, you have do as the legs do.

 

[Galo]

I went to jump school as a cadet before I went to med school. On my med school rotations, I was allowed to wear my jump wings on my uniform, then when I came on active duty as an 0-4, my jump wings were a part of my BDU's or my service dress. They were just on the bottom of my medical insignia.

You did the training, so wear your wings proudly. I would not do much else, and you'll learn, once in the medical field, the more ghostly you can be, the better, (though when it comes to patient care, that's impossible).

 

[chillin691]

I am not an HPSP student. I wear my uniform once a month as most guard members do, and I have a dress uniform inspection as well as a formal military dress event coming up which is why I have raised this issue. I suppose I could look up my question in the regs but I was just curious if people were aware if the new dress uniform calls for blousing of boots for Airborne qual personnel. There is no one in my unit at the time either whom has wings that I could address.

I am not trying to draw attention to myself either. However, I am proud of my uniform and my prior service and the aray of ribbons and badges on my chest usually draw eyes without saying a word. Especially since they notice I am a butter bar. I was just curious how to wear my uniform to its sharpest appearance.


Still am learning all these new regs too since I crossed over from the blue. Thanks but don't reply if you're trying to be a sass either.

****, in my opinion, you've earned the right to blouse your pants... flight surgeons in the navy continue to wear brown shoes because of their wings, and you should be able to do as you please, because it is still in regs

also, most senior docs (O-5/6's) will look at you funny if you mention that their gig line is out of place because they may not know what a gig line is...

vis-a-vis, ergot, i would wear it until you're told otherwise, and then wear it again at your next command

...and now you have my worthless 2 cents

 

[core0]

****, in my opinion, you've earned the right to blouse your pants... flight surgeons in the navy continue to wear brown shoes because of their wings, and you should be able to do as you please, because it is still in regs

also, most senior docs (O-5/6's) will look at you funny if you mention that their gig line is out of place because they may not know what a gig line is...

vis-a-vis, ergot, i would wear it until you're told otherwise, and then wear it again at your next command

...and now you have my worthless 2 cents

Thats the kind of free thinking that drill sergeants love. Like most things there are army regulations that look at this. In particular the famous AR 670-1. Boots are dealt with in 27-3:
(3) Only soldiers authorized to wear the tan, green, or maroon berets, those assigned to Air Assault coded positions, and MPs performing MP duties may wear bloused (tucked-in or by the use of blousing rubbers/bands) trousers or slacks with black leather combat boots. When trousers or slacks are bloused, personnel will not wrap them around the leg so tightly so as to present a pegged appearance. When the trousers or slacks are bloused properly, the bloused portion of the trousers or slacks should not extend below the third eyelet from the top of the boot. Soldiers will not blouse boots so that the bloused portion extends down to the ankle area of the boot.

The full reg can be found here. Note the authorization to blouse your boots is like the beret. It is a unit designation not a measure of individual status. If you are airborne qualified but assigned to a non-airborne unit then you cannot wear a maroon beret or blouse your boots (unless you are an MP). Similarly if you are not airborne qualified but assigned to an airborne unit you can wear a maroon beret and blouse your boots.

So for the OP, unless you are assigned to one of the units noted above you cannot blouse your boots. My experience with the airborne is about 15 years out of date but the 82nd ran refresher courses for people coming back on duty or who were PCS to a non airborne unit.

David Carpenter, PA-C

 

[cmeshy]

Thanks for the replies fellas

I did some looking and it appears like with the new ASUs and their appearance regs do not allow for any personnel or unit to blouse their boots so I guess that completely answers my question. I'm sure many SOF and Airborne folks are not happy with that one. I think that Army of One thing went a little too far sometimes.

Also, is anyone aware of someone coming back on jump status after a lengthy leave like myself without having to go back through jump school? I actually do have my jump log sheets too. Would it help that I was HALO qual as well (and I know for sure my chance of a freefall again on uncle sam is highly unlikely unless I get back with my PJ teams)? I do look forward to being a doc for the young guys which is why I re-uped but it would be awesome to get some air under the feet again. Anywho...back to Kaplan review. I'm sure you guys remember just how fun that was🙂

C

 

[RGR MED]

IOT jump again, you have to be on jump status. If you are not assigned to an airborne unit, you must:
1) Have an ABN physical
2) Get permissive jump orders (O-7 or higher signature, but some BDE CDRs have authority to grant as well)

The order will expire too, so if you plan on jumping, ensure you have a contact at the unit you are jumping with. Not too many units have lots of jumps going on these days, unless you know someone at JFKSWC or Ft Benning.

Also, if you have not jumped in over 12 months, you must complete a full refresher (ie you cant just go and do some PLFs, door exits, and then jump)

ABN personnel still blouse their boots... trust me, ive seen it recently. BUT to have that privilege you must be currently in an ABN unit, not just qualified. GOOD LUCK, CLEAR SKIES, LIGHT WINDS, and SOFT LANDINGS.

jumpers hit it.... as far as your OBC wear, if youre prior service, dont worry about hiding it... if youre advised MSOBC is tough, then you were talking to someone with a weak heart.

 

[elderjack21]

I did some looking and it appears like with the new ASUs and their appearance regs do not allow for any personnel or unit to blouse their boots so I guess that completely answers my question. I'm sure many SOF and Airborne folks are not happy with that one. C

You still blouse your boots when wearing Class A's...and that was plenty for most of us. The ACUs are a godsend...no more ironing, no more dry cleaning, no more polishing your boots, no more wasteing money on sewing patches off and on when you change units, most people don't even wear their special badges in the SOF units anymore (unless you are going to some conference with big army or something...then you still have to prove how Hooah you are).

No doubt...less is more if you ask me.