Board results are up!!

[Bearrie]

Congrats to all! 239 was passing this year and from barchart it looks like most people passed.

I had read the treads here on how to pass and for anyone taking in future years, please listen to all the posts that Spiegel (I used latest 3rd edition but some people posted they prefer 2nd edition) and not to go crazy with a bunch of acoronyms that cost thousands of dollars to review. I purchased Spiegel for $59 on September 13th (just logged into Amazon because forgot name of book) and went over 1.5 times before September 25th (took time away from just about everything else) and was more than enough to score around average which was 301 this year.

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[Bearrie]

I realize this sounds silly but is a real question—

Do we get to use more fancy initials after our names? What would they be? FABPN? I’ve never seen this. I feel like other physicians always have board initials at end.

Also, aren’t they getting rid of the q10year MOC exam or did I just make that up? The pdf with results still lists an exam every 10 years. Otto Kernberg really sat for an exam recently?!

 

[futuredo32]

FINALLY PASSED. THIRD TRY. I USED THE KITCHEN SINK AND STUDIED FOR MONTHS. I TOTALLY THOUGHT I FAILED. I PASSED , I AM FREAKING BOARD CERTIFIED.

 

[futuredo32]

The American Board of Medical Specialties (ABMS) has issued definitions of "Clinically Active" and "Clinically Inactive" and requires that all diplomates self-report their status once every 24 months in each area of certification. This information will be available to the public.

1. "Clinically Active": Any amount of direct and/or consultative patient care has been provided in the preceding 24 months. This includes the supervision of residents.
A. Engaged in direct and/or consultative care sufficient to complete Performance-in-Practice (PIP) Units.
B. Engaged in direct and/or consultative care not sufficient to complete PIP Units.

2. "Clinically Inactive": No direct and or/consultative patient care has been provided in the past 24 months.

3. "Status Unknown": No information available on the clinical activity of this diplomate.

Diplomates who are in category 1.A. are required to complete all components of the MOC Program including PIP Units. Diplomates who are in categories 1.B. or 2 are required to complete all components of the MOC Program, except for PIP Units. A change in diplomate status from 1.B. or 2 to 1.A. requires the completion of at least one PIP Unit.
I work, am I clinically active? Oh my gosh I FREAKING PASSED...……………..

 

[Bearrie]

The American Board of Medical Specialties (ABMS) has issued definitions of "Clinically Active" and "Clinically Inactive" and requires that all diplomates self-report their status once every 24 months in each area of certification. This information will be available to the public.

1. "Clinically Active": Any amount of direct and/or consultative patient care has been provided in the preceding 24 months. This includes the supervision of residents.
A. Engaged in direct and/or consultative care sufficient to complete Performance-in-Practice (PIP) Units.
B. Engaged in direct and/or consultative care not sufficient to complete PIP Units.

2. "Clinically Inactive": No direct and or/consultative patient care has been provided in the past 24 months.

3. "Status Unknown": No information available on the clinical activity of this diplomate.

Diplomates who are in category 1.A. are required to complete all components of the MOC Program including PIP Units. Diplomates who are in categories 1.B. or 2 are required to complete all components of the MOC Program, except for PIP Units. A change in diplomate status from 1.B. or 2 to 1.A. requires the completion of at least one PIP Unit.
I work, am I clinically active? Oh my gosh I FREAKING PASSED...……………..

I saw a lot of your posts. So happy for you!!

 

[Bearrie]

The American Board of Medical Specialties (ABMS) has issued definitions of "Clinically Active" and "Clinically Inactive" and requires that all diplomates self-report their status once every 24 months in each area of certification. This information will be available to the public.

1. "Clinically Active": Any amount of direct and/or consultative patient care has been provided in the preceding 24 months. This includes the supervision of residents.
A. Engaged in direct and/or consultative care sufficient to complete Performance-in-Practice (PIP) Units.
B. Engaged in direct and/or consultative care not sufficient to complete PIP Units.

2. "Clinically Inactive": No direct and or/consultative patient care has been provided in the past 24 months.

3. "Status Unknown": No information available on the clinical activity of this diplomate.

Diplomates who are in category 1.A. are required to complete all components of the MOC Program including PIP Units. Diplomates who are in categories 1.B. or 2 are required to complete all components of the MOC Program, except for PIP Units. A change in diplomate status from 1.B. or 2 to 1.A. requires the completion of at least one PIP Unit.
I work, am I clinically active? Oh my gosh I FREAKING PASSED...……………..

Does this mean if I just leave inactive or unknown I don’t have to do MOC or exam or yearly fees? I’m in private practice and not accepting new patients and don’t take insurance.

Medical Specialty Boards’ Billion Dollar Asset Baby Exposed

90 Million Dollars in cash on hand?!?

 

[clausewitz2]

Does this mean if I just leave inactive or unknown I don’t have to do MOC or exam or yearly fees? I’m in private practice and not accepting new patients and don’t take insurance.

Medical Specialty Boards’ Billion Dollar Asset Baby Exposed

90 Million Dollars in cash on hand?!?

Based on the definition posted above, saying you are inactive if you are seeing patients in the preceding two years would be fraud.

 

[Bearrie]

It’s more a thought experiment but who would I be defrauding? My patients obviously know I see them. I have an active license and DEA but see most patients weekly for psychotherapy and have very few on any medication at all. I don’t participate in medicaid or medicare. I would be defrauding the ABPN by not updating from “unknown”? I’d be curious to see that legal precedent...

 

[clausewitz2]

It’s more a thought experiment but who would I be defrauding? My patients obviously know I see them. I have an active license and DEA but see most patients weekly for psychotherapy and have very few on any medication at all. I don’t participate in medicaid or medicare. I would be defrauding the ABPN by not updating from “unknown”? I’d be curious to see that legal precedent...

To reiterate:

"1. "Clinically Active": Any amount of direct and/or consultative patient care has been provided in the preceding 24 months. This includes the supervision of residents. "

There is really no ambiguity there. Let's avoid saying it is fraud to avoid questions of law. Let us simply call it "lying" or "being deceitful." The stakes are probably low, but if your state requires clinical work to maintain licensure, in the future they may be very curious how you managed to do that while also not being involved in any direct or consultative patient care during that time. Doesn't seem worth the risk, but you do you.

 

[futuredo32]

So if you see patients you are active? I just don't know what a pip is

 

[Horners]

FINALLY PASSED. THIRD TRY. I USED THE KITCHEN SINK AND STUDIED FOR MONTHS. I TOTALLY THOUGHT I FAILED. I PASSED , I AM FREAKING BOARD CERTIFIED.

Congrats! That is major good news.

I’ve read a lot of your posts. How you failed a bunch of times and were down in the dumps about it and how hard you studied. That is a huge accomplishment and it shows a lot of resilience from your end. Congrats once again! You are a superstar!

Are you still going to pursue a FM residency? I imagine this will make your transition a lot easier.


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[futuredo32]

Congrats! That is major good news.

I’ve read a lot of your posts. How you failed a bunch of times and were down in the dumps about it and how hard you studied. That is a huge accomplishment and it shows a lot of resilience from your end. Congrats once again! You are a superstar!

Are you still going to pursue a FM residency? I imagine this will make your transition a lot easier.


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Applying to FP next year. Thank you. I keep checking the AB9N site. But it still says I passed.

 

[TexasPhysician]

To reiterate:

Let us simply call it "lying" or "being deceitful." The stakes are probably low, but if your state requires clinical work to maintain licensure, in the future they may be very curious how you managed to do that while also not being involved in any direct or consultative patient care during that time. Doesn't seem worth the risk, but you do you.

So the ABPN is being deceitful? It isn’t the responsibility of a physician to keep all 3rd party websites accurate. Following the ABPN is 100% elective. With alternative boards like NBPAS, the ABPN will be less and less accurate.

 

[Horners]

Applying to FP next year. Thank you. I keep checking the AB9N site. But it still says I passed.

Best of luck!

1. Print the page where it says you passed
2. go to a tattoo shop and have them tattoo it on you.
3. Forever bathe in the glory.


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[clausewitz2]

So the ABPN is being deceitful? It isn’t the responsibility of a physician to keep all 3rd party websites accurate. Following the ABPN is 100% elective. With alternative boards like NBPAS, the ABPN will be less and less accurate.

No, I am saying that if the ABPN says "you need such and such credits to maintain certification if you have any patient care responsibilities in the past two years" and you say "well, I'm not in that category because I did not take care of patients" when, in fact, you take care of patients on a regular basis, you are telling a lie. This is commission, not omission.

I get what you are saying about following the ABPN being elective. That's fine. But if you choose to pursue their certification and specifically lie about what it is you do to avoid having to do these PIP units, this raises ethical questions.

Maybe you can argue that lying to the ABPN is not really such a bad thing, victimless crime, etc. etc. but consider if you accept this logic in the case of someone shoplifting from Walmart.

 

[clausewitz2]

So if you see patients you are active?

That is literally what the thing you quoted says.

This might help you:

LMGTFY

 

[TexasPhysician]

No, I am saying that if the ABPN says "you need such and such credits to maintain certification if you have any patient care responsibilities in the past two years" and you say "well, I'm not in that category because I did not take care of patients" when, in fact, you take care of patients on a regular basis, you are telling a lie. This is commission, not omission.

I get what you are saying about following the ABPN being elective. That's fine. But if you choose to pursue their certification and specifically lie about what it is you do to avoid having to do these PIP units, this raises ethical questions.

Maybe you can argue that lying to the ABPN is not really such a bad thing, victimless crime, etc. etc. but consider if you accept this logic in the case of someone shoplifting from Walmart.

I don’t advocate being untruthful. The ABPN just has no use for cash practices. After I pass their initial certification, I can pay the fee for NBPAS and be board certified forever without pip, certifying clinical hours, or whatever ABPN wants. Updating ABPN becomes time wasted.

 

[clausewitz2]

I don’t advocate being untruthful. The ABPN just has no use for cash practices. After I pass their initial certification, I can pay the fee for NBPAS and be board certified forever without pip, certifying clinical hours, or whatever ABPN wants. Updating ABPN becomes time wasted.

And I have no beef with that whatsoever. You don't want ABPN certification, don't get it! Definitely less of a hassle.

The entire issue I was pointing out was someone who wanted to maintain ABPN certification, but said that they probably didn't count as active because they had a private practice and were not accepting new patients. This was clearly not at all consistent with what the ABPN is holding up as its standards.

 

[MacDonaldTriad]

Insurances and hospitals that require certification generally specify ABPN. Not sure how much NBPAS does for you. I'm not a ABPN fan, but it is still a reality.

 

[PikminOC]

I realize this sounds silly but is a real question—

Do we get to use more fancy initials after our names? What would they be? FABPN? I’ve never seen this. I feel like other physicians always have board initials at end.

Also, aren’t they getting rid of the q10year MOC exam or did I just make that up? The pdf with results still lists an exam every 10 years. Otto Kernberg really sat for an exam recently?!

Fabpn?

 

[michaelrack]

Fabpn?

you would be a diplomate (NOT diplomat) of the American Board of Psychiatry and neurology. Not a fellow

 

[MedMan80]

Why don't we all get The Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada :: Join the Royal College and then we can write frcps(c) after our names?

 

[futuredo32]

BC is not uppity? NEVER thought I'd get that
I kinda wanna add BC just because I worked SO hard. My shrink failed the orals he had impossible patients. He is amazing .I personally don't think a pass relates to skill talent or most clinical knowledge for psychiatry

 

[twospadz]

Stop legitimizing this scam. The only reason its being required nowadays it affects reimbursement from insurance companies. And the only reason why insurance companies are tacking this on as a requirement is because they want to have another excuse not to pay doctors. And of course, APBN makes millions that affords its board of directors millions in salaries. Its all greed. While your patting yourself on the back for passing the test, they are making away like bandits. Good job.

 

[ryerica22]

is beat the boards worth anything?

 

[futuredo32]

is beat the boards worth anything?

In my opinion yes. You need I think 10 people to join together and the price is close to half. The psych lectures are good though the addiction lecture needed some outside help. I'd also use Spiegel and for vignettes maybe board vitals or psych genius .

 

[futuredo32]

Best of luck!

1. Print the page where it says you passed
2. go to a tattoo shop and have them tattoo it on you.
3. Forever bathe in the glory.


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Not tattoo worthy.

 

[SourceOfDenial]

If you're at a VA facility try setting up a free account on beat the boards. For some reason my beat the boards account has access to everything and never charged me and I think it had to do with setting up the account with a VA IP address. Worked for primary and sub specialty boards.

Glad it was free, I wouldn't have paid for it. Many questions are poorly written or wrong.

 

[TexasPhysician]

is beat the boards worth anything?

Minimally helpful for me.