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I heard pretty good things about the Medstudy questions CD - especially that they are harder than the PREP questions, which are slightly easier than the actual board questions. How about the books? Are they pretty high yield? I heard about PBR (Pediatrics Board Review) briefly on this message board, but not a lot of details. The website is a bit vague to me. Anyone had experience with any of these? Greatly appreciate any input!

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hey hkd. I love using my PBR. a failed pediatric boards experience is pretty demoralizing and I'm really enouraged that I'm going to pass this year. The PBR is focused on helping us pass the boards, while I get the feeling that other stuff is focused on teaching all of pediatrics. I think the medstudy questions are probably good for practice, but their books are totally overwhelming. One thing that I've learned from Ashish (the author) is that you have to know board-focused material really well and ONLY use questions for practice - http://www.pediatricsboardreview.com/why-prep-questions-are-not-the-best-study-questions

I think I messed up last year and spent too much time studying questions instead of using them for practice. I've also struggled with standardized tests in the past, so I think it's that also got in the way of me passing. This year I'm planning on knowing the PBR inside and out, doing lots of practice questions and I'm also taking the a test prep coaching course that I found out about through PBR to help me "hone" my skills as a standardized test taker. hope that helps!
 
I promised myself that I would post a review of the PBR book after my results came out. Admittedly I knew that the results would color the review, but then again, the results are also the most objective evaluation of the course. In my case, I passed the course.

For one thing, before I bought the book, I had searched these forums and found only a few mentions of the PBR course. The poster above (jennsmithmd) has posted about PBR in a couple of places, but her wording almost sounded like one of those fake paid reviews. I was already somewhat skeptical because the PBR website is kind of sleazy-looking, in the same way that, say, advertisements for an 'As-seen-on-TV' product look. Also it really tries hard to 'upsell' you from the book to a course or some kind of bundle deals. Also, it charges you something like 20 dollars just for very slow shipping (took me about 2 weeks to receive the book). This immediately put me off, but the reason I ended up pulling the trigger is because the two chapters that are provided for free (GI and Derm) were actually very readable, far more than MedStudy. Also they were far less annoying than LYW, which, for me, was infuriating to read, because there's so much time wasted reading not only stupid jokes, but footnotes whose sole purpose might or might not be a stupid joke. MedStudy is a dense, intractable, unreadable piece of crap written by people who have no ability to synthesize material. In contrast, often PBR provides very straightforward, simple reasoning for the etiology and pathology associated with a certain disease. At other times a few complicated steps are summed up by the author stating: 'just assume that the low calcium is because bones are using it up' or something like that. This is preferable to 1. no reasoning or 2. many convoluted steps.

So I bought a physical copy of the book which comes with a Q&A book (which only has 50 Qs in it), which I think is the most basic 'bundle'.

Additionally, what I liked about PBR was that the guy had already put together a review schedule for me. Not only that, but it looked very doable. I'm one of those people who puts together a meticulous schedule, then fails completely at keeping up with it. In this light, the instructions to read x amount of (very readable) pages per day and do y number of PREP Qs per week was like a godsend: I didn't have to worry about any other material or making a schedule I would not keep. Basically you read the book three times, and do three years of PREP Qs, stepping up your speed as you go. That's it.

The material flows together pretty well, high-yield stuff is repeated 2, 3 or perhaps even 4 times throughout the book. The mnemonics are a little 'out there' but actually the way he comes up with them remind me of my own methods in the past, using striking visual images and resemblances between words, letters and symbols (e.g. ALL looks like 4:11; a common translocation). They actually work.

By the time I got the book I had already been reading the online version, and I had 12 weeks (rather than his recommended 14) to read through the book 3 times and do 3 years of PREP. I actually ended up a little short on time at the end because I hit a wall after the second time through (not because of the material but just because I was tired of sustained study) and probably did not study at all about 1 week out of the total of 12 weeks.

So I went through the book 2.5 times (skipped a few chapters the last time through), did 3 years of PREP, and also, since I had LYW, read through those special boxes in LYW where they talk about what answer you think its going to be and what answer it actually ends up being.

...And I passed, with a score about half a standard deviation below the mean. I did not expect to, for several reasons:
1. Everyone keeps talking about how hard it is.
2. I was projected to fail based on the in-service exams, and I never cracked a book during residency
3. I have always done quite well on standardized tests (>97%ile in SATs, ACT, MCAT, IQ tests etc) but below average on tests that require recall of trivial details, which this test is supposed to have in spades, moreso than the Steps, I think.

I cannot imagine that this test correlates at all to being a good doctor; the PPV is probably even lower than the NPV. This test is not that difficult, when it is approached from the same angle in which it was written, which is regurgitation via word association and the intentional obfuscation of certain stereotyped scenarios. There were several questions straight out of PBR and the 2011 edition of LYW. It's just disappointing that this is the preferred method of evaluation of a doctor, and a sad testament to modern science's obsession with measurement and its inability to recognize quality except in terms of quantification.
 
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I also passed the exam. This was my first time taking it and I studied pretty hard because it was so annoying I didn't want to have to go through it again. But I agree that this test does not test even a little bit how good of a clinician someone is. It tests on some strange topics you will likely never encounter and some of the more commonly encountered things could be easily looked up if you had to actually encounter it in practice (like vaccine catch up schedules). Sad that we have to pay so much money to get this seal of approval and to a patient who may not be familiar with this while process they assume it's an actual marker of clinical aptitude or quality of care.

In case you are interested in what I did:
I read through LYW slowly starting this past Jan. I wasnt reading to retain just to familirize myself with the material. I only read through it when i had time and I ended up finishing around May.
Using laughing (and for development only I used the Cleveland Clinic book as well) I made flash cards for development, and nutrition (vitamins). I also would occasionally go through the med study flash cards when i was tired of doing questions. The flaskcards were very high yield
In May I started doing medstudy questions and overall went through the qbank about 2.5 times before the exam. - very high yield
I did about 2.5 years of PREP (most of 2012, and 2013 and 2014) I had hoped to go through this twice but did not have enough time for that. somewhat high yield but very time consuming reading through lengthy explanations
Board Vitals - I had heard they were descent so I did about 700 of these questions - they're very quick to do as the explanations are fairly short compared to PREP. Some of the questions were great...others were either way too hard or really off topic (not related to peds at all) Dont think I would use these again unless they change their qbank. Probably would have instead gone through the PREP questions again or do more of them.
I did more than 1 SD above average. This test is hard in that you have to memorize a lot of facts and you cant really figure things out if you dont know the facts. I would say dont take it until youve put aside a big chunk of time to study. Dont get lost in the details and when youre taking the exam dont get bogged down in questions you think are getting wrong.
 
My wife and I both passed a number of years ago, so this may be a bit outdated, but I used medstudy and she used PBR. Both of us were quite happy with our experience. PBR was very responsive and helpful to her. My study method is more med study like. I basically read all the books several times through, making note cards and doing PREP questions in between.
 
My wife and I both passed a number of years ago, so this may be a bit outdated, but I used medstudy and she used PBR. Both of us were quite happy with our experience. PBR was very responsive and helpful to her. My study method is more med study like. I basically read all the books several times through, making note cards and doing PREP questions in between.

Do you think medstudy is helpful for daily clinical practice in the floor or the clinic?
 
Do you think medstudy is helpful for daily clinical practice in the floor or the clinic?
I don't think that medstudy would be that helpful for daily clinical practice as it seems to focus on test knowledge/on what they would ask on the boards. You are better off using Uptodate or something similar or looking on pubmed and established texts for your field in pediatrics. I did, however, find the highlighting very helpful in doing some power-cramming before the exam. Regarding Qbanks, I found the Medstudy Qbank to be helpful and didn't feel it was necessarily harder than the real exam. I actually found some of the prep questions to be a little more difficult than the real exam, especially the more recent years.
 
Do you think medstudy is helpful for daily clinical practice in the floor or the clinic?
Medstudy is not helpful for practical knowledge. I bought the books as an intern and have barely used them. For me, they are too dense with details and I don't retain much. Also not much in the way of practical knowledge/day-to-day management stuff. Agree with above, I use UTD for this type of thing.
 
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