Born Again Christian Doc performs placebo-like procedures

[Ian1223]

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The doctor I'm shadowing does procedures like exorcisms, healing with prayers over the telephone, etc. and truly believes they work.

Does anyone know of any other docs like this?
How do you think a committee would perceive this if she wrote about this in my LOR?

 

[prettymonkey]

you lie.👎

 

[Ian1223]

you lie.👎

Im serious! Im a little confused about how I should view/approach the situation.

 

[Perrotfish]

I'm calling bullshat unles we get some identifying information/proof

 

[Ian1223]

I'm calling bullshat unles we get some identifying information/proof

How could I do that? Im not gonna tell you he/she is or where she practices, that wouldnt be right.

 

[Twiigg]

just don't get a LOR from him/her?

 

[167649]

Please elaborate

 

[riceman04]

I think I read something about how some people are attempting to study the clinical effectiveness of something along those lines...has to do with healing...but I forget what it is specially called

 

[Ian1223]

Please elaborate

Ive been shadowing a doctor at his/her primary care office. The doc is a DO and prides on being an expert in alternative care treatments. Hes/Shes also a born again christian and today, started citing examples about how he/she feels the 'energy' of 'other beings' in the room sometimes, how he/she witnessed a doctor do a 'distance treatment' (I think it was called) where a doctor on the phone from Pennsylvania helped her/his son in Iraq heal himself from shin-splints, just by saying a prayer.

I said to her/him: "If its what you believe thats great"
Doctor said: "I know but its real!"

Then we had a 15 min convo about how one day this will all make sense to me. SHe also made an appointment with a relative of the patient to do an exorcism for her because of how she felt ever since a relative passed.

Is she Coocoo for Cocoa Puffs? Or do alot of people do this stuff?

 

[ashbrant]

A randomized controlled single-blinded trial actually showed a significant benefit from prayer. The prayers had the first name of the person they were praying for, but the patients had no idea they were being prayed for.

I can't cite the study at this time, but we reviewed it in one of my grad school public health classes and it was a well designed study. I justs did a brief PubMed search, but the studies I'm finding show no effect.

 

[Maxprime]

It would be too much fun if this were true.

 

[Cegar]

I sense dark side forces.

 

[Maxprime]

A randomized controlled single-blinded trial actually showed a significant benefit from prayer. The prayers had the first name of the person they were praying for, but the patients had no idea they were being prayed for.

I can't cite the study at this time, but we reviewed it in one of my grad school public health classes and it was a well designed study. I justs did a brief PubMed search, but the studies I'm finding show no effect.

And another showed that heart surgery victims get no benefit, unless you tell them that you prayed for them - then they statistically do worse.

 

[Ian1223]

It would be too much fun if this were true.

I absolutely swear its true. If its not... may I never ever get into any kind of medical school, cross my heart, hope to die, stick a needle in my eye.

 

[NewmansOwn]

Ive been shadowing a doctor at his/her primary care office. The doc is a DO and prides on being an expert in alternative care treatments. Hes/Shes also a born again christian and today, started citing examples about how he/she feels the 'energy' of 'other beings' in the room sometimes, how he/she witnessed a doctor do a 'distance treatment' (I think it was called) where a doctor on the phone from Pennsylvania helped her/his son in Iraq heal himself from shin-splints, just by saying a prayer.

I said to her/him: "If its what you believe thats great"
Doctor said: "I know but its real!"

Then we had a 15 min convo about how one day this will all make sense to me. SHe also made an appointment with a relative of the patient to do an exorcism for her because of how she felt ever since a relative passed.

Is she Coocoo for Cocoa Puffs? Or do alot of people do this stuff?

No. No one does this stuff.

I will assume that you're not BS-ing because honestly, what's the point? A more appropriate indictment would be questioning why on earth you are shadowing this "doctor," let alone considering soliciting a LOR from her.

You must politely tell this individual you are no longer interested in shadowing her, as it makes you feel uncomfortable, then leave and never communicate with her again. Do this if you want to avoid being laughed at by adcoms.

You must have known this person was crazy before you shadowed -- these traits are unlikely to be well-hidden, unless you just randomly cold called clinics and showed up to shadow. If you're interested in alternative remedies, read an Andrew Weil book -- don't associate with these people.

 

[Kaustikos]

A randomized controlled single-blinded trial actually showed a significant benefit from prayer. The prayers had the first name of the person they were praying for, but the patients had no idea they were being prayed for.

I can't cite the study at this time, but we reviewed it in one of my grad school public health classes and it was a well designed study. I justs did a brief PubMed search, but the studies I'm finding show no effect.

Actually, on the contrary, it's been proven that there has been a higher mortality rate with patients who have people pray for them than those that do not.

Draw your own conclusions about the effectiveness of religion in healing people.




my thoughts? People tend to turn towards religion more easily as their close ones are in a more traumatizing situation, thus more people praying by people who are more likely to die as opposed to those who will more than likely make it.

 

[DrSpengler]

or prayer can hurt...if you know people are praying for you

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/04/060403133554.htm

 

[NewmansOwn]

I absolutely swear its true. If its not... may I never ever get into any kind of medical school, cross my heart, hope to die, stick a needle in my eye.

Ok after this last post, nevermind, this has got to be a troll -- no one actually says stuff like that.

 

[Ian1223]

No. No one does this stuff.

I will assume that you're not BS-ing because honestly, what's the point? A more appropriate indictment would be questioning why on earth you are shadowing this "doctor," let alone considering soliciting a LOR from her.

You must politely tell this individual you are no longer interested in shadowing her, as it makes you feel uncomfortable, then leave and never communicate with her again. Do this if you want to avoid being laughed at by adcoms.

You must have known this person was crazy before you shadowed -- these traits are unlikely to be well-hidden, unless you just randomly cold called clinics and showed up to shadow. If you're interested in alternative remedies, read an Andrew Weil book -- don't associate with these people.

She was recommended by my school's pre-health office to shadow. Shes even going to speak there to a class on behalf of all DOs.

 

[Ian1223]

Ok after this last post, nevermind, this has got to be a troll -- no one actually says stuff like that.

Im telling the truth Newman... truly.

 

[NewmansOwn]

Im telling the truth Newman... truly.

Alright dude -- just take my advice, then, and get out fast; you really shouldn't need us to tell you that.

Unless you go to Oral Roberts or Bob Jones or Liberty or someplace like that, I can't believe your pre-health office is recommending people like that...I dunno, I'd seek advisement elsewhere.

 

[Maxprime]

She was recommended by my school's pre-health office to shadow. Shes even going to speak there to a class on behalf of all DOs.

This is the speaker for your school for all DOs? I can't believe that they get pissy when we make fun of them. 🙂

I mean . . . come on . . . seriously?

If you're being serious, you should seek to shadow someone that's practicing medicine with a little more 1990s and a little less 1490s. I shudder to think what people like this do when they have a patient seize.

 

[LikeClockWork]

You must politely tell this individual you are no longer interested in shadowing her, as it makes you feel uncomfortable, then leave and never communicate with her again.

^^^I think this would be the most painless and professional way out of this. I wouldn't ask for a LOR either. Who knows what the doc might put in there? He/she might even say you helped her with this stuff thinking it will make you sound better. Just avoid it all together.

 

[Maxprime]

^^^I think this would be the most painless and professional way out of this. I wouldn't ask for a LOR either. Who knows what the doc might put in there? He/she might even say you helped her with this stuff thinking it will make you sound better. Just avoid it all together.

Or when this nutjob inevitably gets sued for malpractice in a media-attractive way, you'll have your name attached to his on all your applications. "You watched someone perform an exorcism without speaking up!?" . . .

 

[prettymonkey]

She was recommended by my school's pre-health office to shadow. Shes even going to speak there to a class on behalf of all DOs.

on behalf of ALL DOs? how does someone get that designation? i am going to speak on behalf of all women today!! listen to me!!

 

[Ian1223]

Or when this nutjob inevitably gets sued for malpractice in a media-attractive way, you'll have your name attached to his on all your applications. "You watched someone perform an exorcism without speaking up!?" . . .

I didnt watch it happen, just saw her make an appointment for it.

 

[nonesuchgirl]

you are a dark sider

i will not accept anything that your tainted hands, blah blah blah.

you tube, pls?

+1 on Clockwork's advice.

 

[167649]

Ive been shadowing a doctor at his/her primary care office. The doc is a DO and prides on being an expert in alternative care treatments. Hes/Shes also a born again christian and today, started citing examples about how he/she feels the 'energy' of 'other beings' in the room sometimes, how he/she witnessed a doctor do a 'distance treatment' (I think it was called) where a doctor on the phone from Pennsylvania helped her/his son in Iraq heal himself from shin-splints, just by saying a prayer.

I said to her/him: "If its what you believe thats great"
Doctor said: "I know but its real!"

Then we had a 15 min convo about how one day this will all make sense to me. SHe also made an appointment with a relative of the patient to do an exorcism for her because of how she felt ever since a relative passed.

Is she Coocoo for Cocoa Puffs? Or do alot of people do this stuff?

She is "Coocoo." To be honest, I would probably stop shadowing her and look for a LOR from someone else.

you are a dark sider

i will not accept anything that your tainted hands, blah blah blah.

you tube, pls?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmfmK_q1lLo[/youtube]

 

[decafplease]

Alright dude -- just take my advice, then, and get out fast; you really shouldn't need us to tell you that.

Unless you go to Oral Roberts or Bob Jones or Liberty or someplace like that, I can't believe your pre-health office is recommending people like that...I dunno, I'd seek advisement elsewhere.

now, I (a Christian) have met some "undesirables" from Bob Jones, but I seriously doubt they would condone a physician performing exorcisms or sensing healing "presences" sounds pretty voodoo to me.

 

[167649]

Alright dude -- just take my advice, then, and get out fast; you really shouldn't need us to tell you that.

Unless you go to Oral Roberts or Bob Jones or Liberty or someplace like that, I can't believe your pre-health office is recommending people like that...I dunno, I'd seek advisement elsewhere.

Oral Roberts actually used to have a medical school. They were having problems because, among other things, they were way too Jesus-pushy on the patients. It's accredation is long gone now.

 

[PeepshowJohnny]

Just FYI, this poster is also the one who thought he should just suddenly declare himself URM. I say Troll.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=6275731#post6275731

 

[nonesuchgirl]

Just FYI, this poster is also the one who thought he should just suddenly declare himself URM. I say Troll.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=6275731#post6275731

I remember when trolls were amusing. 🙁

 

[Maxprime]

on behalf of ALL DOs? how does someone get that designation? i am going to speak on behalf of all women today!! listen to me!!

That's all you have to say on behalf of all women? Figures. 😆

 

[Depakote]

move along, nothing to see here.