Brainspotting (Therapy). No really, it's a thing!

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Who needs CBT, DBT, PE when you can just use Brainspotting! 🙄

Brainspotting Wiki said:
Brainspotting
Brainspotting is psychological treatment helps patients identify, process, and release core neurophysiological sources of emotional or physical pain, trauma, dissociation, and a variety of other challenging psychiatric/somatic symptoms.

Brainspotting (BSP) functions as a neurobiological tool to support the therapeutic relationship in which the therapist's mature, nurturing, presence and ability to engage another suffering human creates a healing space. It is theorized that Brainspotting, like EMDR, triggers the body's innate self-scanning capacity to process and release focused areas (systems) which are in a maladaptive homeostasis (frozen primitive survival modes). This may also explain the ability of Brainspotting to often reduce and eliminate body pain and tension associated with physical conditions.

A "Brainspot" is the eye position which is related to the energetic/emotional activation of traumatic/emotionally charged issues within the brain, most likely in the limbic system. It is the physiological subsystem holding emotional experience in memory form. Accordingly it is a physiological tool/treatment which has profound psychological, emotional, and physical consequences.

Treatment
Brainspotting can be an effective and efficient treatment tool for:
* PTSD
* Physical and emotional trauma
* Recovery from injury, accident, medical intervention trauma
* Stress-related medical illness
* Performance issues (sports, public speaking, sexual etc)
* Fibromyalgia
* ADHD, stuttering, phobias
* Asthma
* Migraines
* Depression, anxiety, rage
* Childhood abuse

David Grand, PhD, the developer of Brainspotting, is an internationally recognized trauma expert. He has devoted his life to advancing, expanding, and communicating about state-of-the-art tools available for healing trauma and enhancing performance. He is the author of Emotional Healing at Warp speed: the Power of EMDR and trains health care professionals around the US, Europe, South American and the Middle East.

So...anyone ever heard of this?

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Who needs CBT, DBT, PE when you can just use Brainspotting! 🙄



So...anyone ever heard of this?

Based on some of the responses in the previous EMDR thread on here, I'm sadly not at all surprised that the "neurophysiological sources" and mechanisms theorized to underlie the effectiveness/essentiality of the eye movements are now being generalized to other areas of "emotional and physical pain."

I especially appreciate that its intended uses include pretty much the entire DSM, as well as the "performance issues" typically targeted by life coaches, motivational speakers, and the like.

Sigh.
 
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Sounds so...confusing...and....complicated. It must work, what with all of that technical language ("maladaptive homeostasis (frozen primitive survival modes)") that an average person could never understand!!

Oh, and it's a mystery that modern medical science hasn't even precisely discovered yet ("...related to the energetic/emotional activation of traumatic/emotionally charged issues within the brain, most likely in the limbic system. It is the physiological subsystem holding emotional experience in memory form...")!!! So New Age!!!

And the founder has a PhD from International University? Sounds so...international.

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Sounds so...confusing...and....complicated. It must work, what with all of that technical language ("maladaptive homeostasis (frozen primitive survival modes)") that an average person could never understand!!

Oh, and it's a mystery that modern medical science hasn't even precisely discovered yet ("...related to the energetic/emotional activation of traumatic/emotionally charged issues within the brain, most likely in the limbic system. It is the physiological subsystem holding emotional experience in memory form...")!!! So New Age!!!

And the founder has a PhD from International University? Sounds so...international.

:meanie:

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Has this founder conducted RCTs of all of his various trademarked therapies. Or is he too busy brainspotting the limbic system.
 
"Brainspotting is based on the profound attunement of the therapist with the patient, finding a somatic cue and extinguishing it by down-regulating the amygdala. It isn't just PNS (Parasympathetic Nervous System) activation that is facilitated, it is homeostasis." -- Robert Scaer, MD, "The Trauma Spectrum

For goodness sake, haven't these people heard of systematic desensitization!? We have know about this for a century and its in every freaking psych 101 book ive ever seen. Why do we need muck it all up with bogus neuro-bable nonsense!!
 
You can tell a lot about a theory or treatment by its name. 🙂 Brainspotting--seriously? Who comes up with this stuff?

Dr. E

Sounds more like a symptom of an STD that can penetrate the blood brain barrier.
 
“Brainspotting is based on the profound attunement of the therapist with the patient, finding a somatic cue and extinguishing it by down-regulating the amygdala. It isn’t just PNS (Parasympathetic Nervous System) activation that is facilitated, it is homeostasis.” -- Robert Scaer, MD, “The Trauma Spectrum

For goodness sake, haven't these people heard of systematic desensitization!? We have know about this for a century and its in every freaking psych 101 book ive ever seen. Why do we need muck it all up with bogus neuro-bable nonsense!!

Because it sounds more like "real science," of course! 😉

(On another forum I visit, the response to anything about mental health is literally "Depression is just like diabetes! Go to your doctor and get some medication!" from people with no psychological or medical training!. Over-medicalization, much?)
 
Because it sounds more like "real science," of course! 😉

(On another forum I visit, the response to anything about mental health is literally "Depression is just like diabetes! Go to your doctor and get some medication!" from people with no psychological or medical training!. Over-medicalization, much?)

And do we think that comes from media, from psychiatry, invented by the public as a defense. lol? I mean honestly, how on earth is depression like diabetes?! And who tells people such things. It seems like even a half-second of deep thought on the issue would render the idea absurd in anyone with an IQ in the meaty part of the bell curve. Sorry if that seems snobby, but i really don't think that the public likes to actually think about things much.
 
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Good find, Therapist4Chnge. Love this crap.

I especially appreciate that its intended uses include pretty much the entire DSM, as well as the "performance issues" typically targeted by life coaches, motivational speakers, and the like.

Sigh.

I think there should be a blanket rule for this sort of thing. Any therapy/therapist advertising the ability to cure a way-too-long list of disorders should be shunned (Amish style!) by the professional community, much like those old-timey patent medicine quacks who claimed to be able to solve everything from rickets to lumbago. If the web site making these claims uses sparkly fonts or gratuitous stock photos, the therapist/organization shall be put to death.

Honestly, I think this rule is basically already in place minus the execution angle, but we need to codify it. Immediately.

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SHUNNING IN PROGRESS.
 
Who needs CBT, DBT, PE when you can just use Brainspotting! 🙄



So...anyone ever heard of this?

i have heard of it....and ive met a couple of people who do it. hearing them talk about it, didnt really make any sense to me. reading that description DEFINITELY didnt make any sense to me....
 
Because it sounds more like "real science," of course! 😉

If someone uses enough "sciency" words, many people with just accept that it sounds legitimate. It is one thing to talk a good game, but once a person actually digs into the research...the "science" falls apart like a house of cards. It really irks me that people hijack legitimate neuroanatomy/neurophysiology findings and twist them to fit their "break-through" work. 🙄 Any amount of digging into the research can debunk the claims, but most people can't/won't/don't know what is needed. I have given up talking to any providers who believe/use EMDR because they already drank the KoolAid. I haven't met anyone who does this wonderful therapy, but I'm guessing I'd have a similar experience.
 
I have given up talking to any providers who believe/use EMDR because they already drank the KoolAid.

What, you have a problem with people making money by rebranding a perfectly good therapy and throwing in a bunch of useless unsupported junk so that they can charge for training on this new wonderful therapy that's been around for 60 years?
 
What, you have a problem with people making money by rebranding a perfectly good therapy and throwing in a bunch of useless unsupported junk so that they can charge for training on this new wonderful therapy that's been around for 60 years?

I agree. My "Space Rock & Moonbeam" therapy approach could totally work, as long as I also do some graduated exposure and similar interventions with it. Often the folks seeming out these bogus treatments are the most vulnerable and they don't know any better.
 
I agree. My "Space Rock & Moonbeam" therapy approach could totally work, as long as I also do some graduated exposure and similar interventions with it. Often the folks seeming out these bogus treatments are the most vulnerable and they don't know any better.

By most vulnerable do you mean the clients that pay for it or the Master's level clinicians that purchase the work books and continuing "education?"
 
I vaguely seem to recall hearing about this some time ago...

But, what I really want to know is . . . where's raven therapy when you need it most? 👍
 
I was talking about the patients not knowing any better (often have failed prior trials of meds, therapy, etc), though I guess providers could also fall into that category too. Many of the more questionable 'training seminars' out there have very effective marketing, so it is hard for many clinicians to cut through the BS and recognize when they are being sold snake oil.

ps. Raven Therapy....:laugh:
 
Yes! It had been FAR too long since anyone here made a raven reference 😉
 
Speaking of Raven Therapy... Has anyone heard of Angel Therapy?

http://www.angeltherapy.com/

I have a friend (with recurrent major depression) who went to a M.A.-level provider who was associated with her work insurance plan. The counsellor started talking about Angel Therapy in Session 2. I helped her find a new provider, but... Seriously? Seriously.

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Speaking of Raven Therapy... Has anyone heard of Angel Therapy?

http://www.angeltherapy.com/

I have a friend (with recurrent major depression) who went to a M.A.-level provider who was associated with her work insurance plan. The counsellor started talking about Angel Therapy in Session 2. I helped her find a new provider, but... Seriously? Seriously.

🙁 🙁 🙁

M#($$*#F#@$#*$ I should have applied to Counseling Psychology Ph.D. programs...
 
Speaking of Raven Therapy... Has anyone heard of Angel Therapy?

http://www.angeltherapy.com/

Uhm....

Angel Therapy is a non-denominational spiritual healing method that involves working with a person's guardian angels and archangels, to heal and harmonize every aspect of life. Angel Therapy also helps you to more clearly receive Divine Guidance from the Creator and angels.

Everyone has guardian angels, and these angels perform God's will of peace for us all. When we open ourselves to hear our angels' messages, every aspect of our lives become more peaceful. Many of Doreen’s resources will provide you with more information on this subject, including her books Angel Therapy and Angel Medicine, and the Connecting with Your Angels Kit.

Since 1996, Doreen has taught thousands of people worldwide how to engage in Angel Therapy. Many of these students have become Angel Therapy Practitioners, who have private practices and give workshops on related topics. Angel Therapy brings people back on their spiritual path in a way that is non-threatening and non-judgmental.

Doreen has received thousands of unsolicited testimonials of how the angels have healed people's bodies, mind, emotions, relationships, families, career and finances, and other life areas. Of course, Doreen gives all credit to God and the angels.

Angel Therapy, Angel Therapy Practitioner, and Doreen Virtue are trademarked worldwide as registered terms.
 
WTF is that supposed to mean??

I'm sorry, that was indeed very low and in hindsight probably insulting to more of my friends (on here and in practice) than I'm even aware of. Just my reaction to the types of people that can graduate from supposedly selective fields of study.

For instance... Medical Doctor
 
Is the angel therapy angel wearing a nightgown and robe? Not sure why that's what's standing out to me.

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I'm sorry, that was indeed very low and in hindsight probably insulting to more of my friends (on here and in practice) than I'm even aware of. Just my reaction to the types of people that can graduate from supposedly selective fields of study.
Ok, well, let's stick to blaming those individual nutjobs and not see it as a reflection of the particular subfields, from which they may or may not have actually graduated from. 🙂 The bio I read said she received a BA, MA, *and* PhD in counseling psychology, all of which (to my knowledge) are impossible (a BA??). No university listed?? I'm not buyin' it.
 
I know about Angel Therapy! We discovered it in our psychotherapy class when reading Lilienfeld's article and other articles about non-efficacious therapies. My cohort always jokes that if we fail out of our program we can always become Angel Therapists.
 
I know about Angel Therapy! We discovered it in our psychotherapy class when reading Lilienfeld's article and other articles about non-efficacious therapies. My cohort always jokes that if we fail out of our program we can always become Angel Therapists.

...before or after being a Life Coach?
 
The bio I read said she received a BA, MA, *and* PhD in counseling psychology, all of which (to my knowledge) are impossible (a BA??). No university listed?? I'm not buyin' it.

According to a youtube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrXCs5PbMcc), she got her Ph.D. from "California Coast University". Never heard of it, but it sounds kind of sketch. (Unsurprisingly.)
 
According to a youtube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrXCs5PbMcc), she got her Ph.D. from "California Coast University". Never heard of it, but it sounds kind of sketch. (Unsurprisingly.)

It's an unaccredited online-only school. It's possible that she doesn't even have an accredited B.A.

Another gem from the site:

Working wing-in-hand with the angels, I believe that this goal is possible.

Do angels...not...also have...arms? So...confused...

From the FAQ:

Aren't you worried that the devil will disguise himself as a beautiful angel and trick you?

That was what I was afraid of, too! So glad I'm not the only one.

She doesn't mention having a license, and I'm not sure whether she's legally allowed to practice psychotherapy. I wouldn't trust her to ring up my fast food order correctly. Maybe since she calls her sessions "readings" (as in psychic), she doesn't need a license?

EDIT: Apparently, according to The Internets, she had a master's-level license as a psychological assistant at some point, but her license was cancelled. Like Dr. Phil, she seems to be doing not-quite-ethically-okay-but-still-legal psychology stuff these days.
 
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Lot of cynicism here! CBT rules the day and leaves little room for innovation. I don't like heavy duty sciency words either or claims the one therapy can fix everything, but I've experienced brainspotting and know that it works. It really is just mindfulness of the body and focusing on a spot. This dual focus aids in observing body sensations activated by certain thoughts or events. As mindfulness of the body helps people calm down new ideas and perspectives emerge. I could explain all the neuroscience of this approach in simple terms, but not sure if it is wanted.
 
Lot of cynicism here! CBT rules the day and leaves little room for innovation. I don't like heavy duty sciency words either or claims the one therapy can fix everything, but I've experienced brainspotting and know that it works. It really is just mindfulness of the body and focusing on a spot. This dual focus aids in observing body sensations activated by certain thoughts or events. As mindfulness of the body helps people calm down new ideas and perspectives emerge. I could explain all the neuroscience of this approach in simple terms, but not sure if it is wanted.
You're confusing cynicism with skepticism.
 
I know about Angel Therapy! We discovered it in our psychotherapy class when reading Lilienfeld's article and other articles about non-efficacious therapies. My cohort always jokes that if we fail out of our program we can always become Angel Therapists.
Clearly, we should all be Raven Therapists, though!
 
Angel therapy - raven therapy? Can someone put this on their CV LOL?


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It really is just mindfulness of the body and focusing on a spot. This dual focus aids in observing body sensations activated by certain thoughts or events.

Then why not just call it that? Enhancing awareness of how thoughts or stimuli affect one's physiological responses is a common strategy across multiple therapeutic approaches. Don't confuse technique with principle.

As mindfulness of the body helps people calm down new ideas and perspectives emerge. I could explain all the neuroscience of this approach in simple terms, but not sure if it is wanted.

What's unwanted is pseudoscience. Pseudoscience is brimming with "explanations," often really creative and intuitively appealing ones. If there is a body of rigorous empirical research that supports a novel discovery, and you can describe that evidence in a cogent way, then you'll have a more interested audience here. Otherwise just refer back to the literature that explains a lot of what it seems you are trying to say, but just doesn't use the cutesy term for the technique.

Lot of cynicism here! CBT rules the day and leaves little room for innovation.

Oh come on. That chestnut is so overdone it's now a well-worn cliché. And besides, CBT is far from the only therapeutic approach that meets the basic standard of having empirical support.
 
Lot of cynicism here! CBT rules the day and leaves little room for innovation. I don't like heavy duty sciency words either or claims the one therapy can fix everything, but I've experienced brainspotting and know that it works.

That...that's not how science works.
 
Funny to be reminded of this thread - brainspotting is super popular where I live. I feel like every region has its favorite unscientific trauma therapy, and I guess it's this one around here.
 
Funny to be reminded of this thread - brainspotting is super popular where I live. I feel like every region has its favorite unscientific trauma therapy, and I guess it's this one around here.

I'd never heard of brainspotting outside of this forum. A couple of patients have told me about their "tapping" sessions though.
 
Lot of cynicism here! CBT rules the day and leaves little room for innovation. I don't like heavy duty sciency words either or claims the one therapy can fix everything, but I've experienced brainspotting and know that it works. It really is just mindfulness of the body and focusing on a spot. This dual focus aids in observing body sensations activated by certain thoughts or events. As mindfulness of the body helps people calm down new ideas and perspectives emerge. I could explain all the neuroscience of this approach in simple terms, but not sure if it is wanted.

The neuro people in here would love to hear the neuroscience behind this that is actually backed up by evidence.
 
I like resolutions that come fast!
 
in my area Somatic Experiencing Therapy seems to be the big thing. Seems like every therapist touts their "SET" training and "body work" approach. Trauma is not my area, so I don't know what the evidence base is for SET.
 
My favorite pseudoscientific buzzword company is called BrainHighways... From their website:

"
We’re really passionate that people should at least know this very important fact: The brain can change—and that’s at any age, from any place in the world.

Now, that’s not just some woo-woo idea that sprang from a group of eternal optimists.

No, scientists, worldwide, no longer believe the brain is hardwired. Neuroplasticity, which is just a fancy way of saying the brain can change—is now the new game in town.

And what a game changer it is. Neuroplasticity opens doors that people may have never thought possible. It brings dreaming of a better future back on the table. It catapults hope to the forefront.

That alone already begins to change the brain."


and

"And then, on top of the full-time compensation job, the cortex also has to try to keep those retained primitive reflexes from popping up and creating even more problems. Note that the words—primitive reflexes—in themselves already give you a clue as to how effective the cortex is at overriding such behavior.

Now, it’s not like the cortex can just go, “Hey, I quit. Lower centers of the brain—do your ownjob.” That’s never going to happen because the brain always has to address survival needs first—and the lower centers of the brain are all about survival. So, we can have the most brilliant cortex, but it isn’t going to have much chance to show its potential if it’s so preoccupied with helping out the lower centers of the brain. That’s the price of a disorganized brain. We really can’t show who we are."
Wow. Is this just some kind of scam or some Scientology-like cult?
 
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