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I wonder how some of the more senior Faculty and Attendings would counsel me on how to address the following: HIV Associated Atherosclerosis, and the stigma many physician specialists view HIV, particularly Cardiologists, and hence not wanting to deal with this population.

An Infectious Disease Physician at the university has confided in me that HIV is perceived as a stigma by many medical specialists, going as far as telling me recently that there is a 'dark history' at my teaching hospital amongst Cardiologists in not wishing to see HIV patients. I had a second conversation with another ID Specialist at my university hospital and she agreed with the first one. The "justification" goes that HIV is an ID problem but the presentation is cardiac in nature - HIV Associated Atherosclerosis, principally non-calcified plaque, due to sub-acute levels of HIV in the undetectable patient initiating a persistent activation of cytokines and immune cells (monocytes, macrophages and T Cells) that result in non-calcified plaque in the coronary arteries. The pathophysiology is not quite understood. Please see the following recently published articles:
In summary, when compared to demographically similar uninfected persons, HIV-infected persons treated in an HIV specialty clinic were less likely to be prescribed medications appropriate for CAD risk reduction. Improving primary preventative CAD care in HIV specialty clinic populations is an important step toward diminishing risk of heart disease in HIV-infected persons.

How to get both Physician Specialists (Cardiologists and ID Physicians) to take it upon themselves to be proactive with the HIV patient for CVD, and get over their stigma?

If any senior Attendings or other Fellows/Residents have encountered this problem, and addressed it, I'd like to learn about it.

I am charged with giving a presentation to a Cardiologist this Friday face to face at the university on why the Department needs to start taking a leadership role with this problematic population

I am up for the task but I am stunned any physician in this day and age would still harbor repulsion towards the HIV patient and not want to deal with them.

Thanks
 
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Was there a question buried somewhere in there?

If the general premise of this thread is that cardiologists should be doing more to manage HIV patients with CAD, then my responses would be:

Do you have any evidence that cardiologists are not doing enough to manage HIV + CAD patients? (Other than a conversation with some random ID doc). I'm just an M2 but in my limited experience I've never heard of a specialist refusing to see a patient because they have HIV. (Edit: other than if they don't feel comfortable treating them because it's outside their training or scope of practice)

Also, just speaking logically, if this is a weird type of CAD with a unique pathophysiology related to HIV, maybe it'd be better to have the HIV specialist manage it?
 
plus if you are a medical student , why on earth would you be telling the cards what to do ? That is a recipe for disaster.
 
Not sure why you need a cardiologist to manage aspirin, statins, and antihypertensives.

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I wonder how some of the more senior Faculty and Attendings would counsel me on how to address the following: HIV Associated Atherosclerosis, and the stigma many physician specialists view HIV, particularly Cardiologists, and hence not wanting to deal with this population.

An Infectious Disease Physician at the university has confided in me that HIV is perceived as a stigma by many medical specialists, going as far as telling me recently that there is a 'dark history' at my teaching hospital amongst Cardiologists in not wishing to see HIV patients. I had a second conversation with another ID Specialist at my university hospital and she agreed with the first one. The "justification" goes that HIV is an ID problem but the presentation is cardiac in nature - HIV Associated Atherosclerosis, principally non-calcified plaque, due to sub-acute levels of HIV in the undetectable patient initiating a persistent activation of cytokines and immune cells (monocytes, macrophages and T Cells) that result in non-calcified plaque in the coronary arteries. The pathophysiology is not quite understood. Please see the following recently published articles:
In summary, when compared to demographically similar uninfected persons, HIV-infected persons treated in an HIV specialty clinic were less likely to be prescribed medications appropriate for CAD risk reduction. Improving primary preventative CAD care in HIV specialty clinic populations is an important step toward diminishing risk of heart disease in HIV-infected persons.

How to get both Physician Specialists (Cardiologists and ID Physicians) to take it upon themselves to be proactive with the HIV patient for CVD, and get over their stigma?

If any senior Attendings or other Fellows/Residents have encountered this problem, and addressed it, I'd like to learn about it.

I am charged with giving a presentation to a Cardiologist this Friday face to face at the university on why the Department needs to start taking a leadership role with this problematic population

I am up for the task but I am stunned any physician in this day and age would still harbor repulsion towards the HIV patient and not want to deal with them.

Thanks

Are you a med student, or what?
 
Are you a med student, or what?

I was sincerely asking a serious question and yet you, others and even Goro change the thread to attack, impugn and cast aspersions.

This from @WingedOx who relishes anonymity on SDN

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Smh

The Cardiologist informed me today he is thrilled to meet with me tomorrow to discuss the articles and to advocate for HIV + patients
 
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And? The question still stands: "Why you need a cardiologist to manage aspirin, statins, and antihypertensives?"

Why can't the primary care team handle this? What are the barriers to doing such? As an intern, I managed the aspirin, statins, and antihypertensives without calling cardiology.
 
Can you imagine being on rotation with OP? Sounds unbearable

What is unbearable about someone trying to look into improving the health outcomes for HIV+ patients?
 
I was sincerely asking a serious question and yet you, others and even Goro change the thread to attack, impugn and cast aspersions.

This from @WingedOx who relishes anonymity on SDN

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The Cardiologist informed me today he is thrilled to meet with me tomorrow to discuss the articles and to advocate for HIV + patients
In what way have I attacked you in this thread?
 
By thinking sarcastic things that reverberated through the electrons when you "liked" other people's posts. It's not that you clicked "like", it's how you clicked it.
Ahh, I didn't know we were back in the fifth grade. You can sit next to me on the bus, but OP can't!
 
Look out it’s a troll-asaurus!

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