BS/MD Acc. Program Chances?

[bioguy22]

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School Type: Public, Competitive in NJ
Race: Indian
Gender: Male
Rank: School doesn't rank individually, top 5%
GPA: 3.95 unweighter, 4.67 weighted
SAT Score: 2400 single sitting
SAT II: Math II-800, Bio. M- 790, USH-800, Physics-710 (wont submit), SAT Chem- will take in October
APs: AP Biology(self-studied 5), AP Statistics (5), AP Chemistry (self-studied 4), AP Environmental Science (self-studied 5), AP English Language (self studied 5), AP Computer Science A (4), AP Calculus BC (5), AP USH (5), AP Latin (3)
Senior Course-load: Multivariable differentials, H. English 12, AP Econ, AP Psych, AP Bio, AP Chem.
Major Accolades: USABO semis x 3, National Latin Exam Gold Medalist, AP National Scholar, top 15 in state for both Biology I and Biology II science league

Extra-Curriculars: Future Physicians of America (member)-4 years, Cross-Country 2 years, Columbia Science Honor's Program (11-12)-take science classes at Columbia every Saturday, Public Speaking Class (9-12)- class offered to improve public speaking skills-practice prepared speeches and improptus, Science League- partake in the NJSL competitions as well as bio olympiads, part of the first aid squad, NHS (President), Waksman (President) in school, FBLA-competed in regional events, newspaper-wrote articles, Math Team- participated in NJ Math League and Shore and received smaller accolades

Volunteer: Volunteer at local hospital-converse with patients, assist nurses- 100+ hours, volunteer at local library in Reading Buddies program-foster literature in young children- 30+ hours, EMT on squad- assist in calls -150+ hours

Research: Waksman Student Scholars Program @ RU- learned lab techniques, set up minipreps and used bioinformatics to sequence DNA from a plant species, will get some sequences published coming soon. Have also independently worked on research project in school of bacterial growth

Work Experience: Tutoring for the SAT, have also written a book to sell

Shadowed doctors in India: Got to see an open heart surgery as well an eye operation being performed.


Any suggestions, tips? So what do you think my chances are at the following med programs:
TCNJ/UMDNJ - 7 year
Boston University - 7 year med
Drexel/Drexel-7 year med
GWU/GWU-7 year med
Lehigh/University of Penn - dental 7 year
U Miami HPME-7 year med
RU NEWARK/UMDNJ - 7 year med
Northwestern HPME- 7year med
Penn State- 6 year med
RPI/AMC-7 year med
Villanova/Drexel- 7 year med
Brown U/ Alpert-8 year
CWRU- 8 year med
Union Albany-8 year med
SBU/GW- 8 year med
Thanks!

 

[JPodel]

Idk what to say... Hope its not a troll... But other than that, you are golden, stop worrying.

 

[JohnQuincyAdams]

lol... If I were you, I would go to a top-10 school and just ignore the BS/MD programs. You will obviously be a superstar in college, so why limit your options and be stuck somewhere for 7 years.

 

[Medstart108]

School Type: Public, Competitive in NJ
Race: Indian
Gender: Male
Rank: School doesn't rank individually, top 5%
GPA: 3.95 unweighter, 4.67 weighted
SAT Score: 2400 single sitting
SAT II: Math II-800, Bio. M- 790, USH-800, Physics-710 (wont submit), SAT Chem- will take in October
APs: AP Biology(self-studied 5), AP Statistics (5), AP Chemistry (self-studied 4), AP Environmental Science (self-studied 5), AP English Language (self studied 5), AP Computer Science A (4), AP Calculus BC (5), AP USH (5), AP Latin (3)
Senior Course-load: Multivariable differentials, H. English 12, AP Econ, AP Psych, AP Bio, AP Chem.
Major Accolades: USABO semis x 3, National Latin Exam Gold Medalist, AP National Scholar, top 15 in state for both Biology I and Biology II science league

Extra-Curriculars: Future Physicians of America (member)-4 years, Cross-Country 2 years, Columbia Science Honor's Program (11-12)-take science classes at Columbia every Saturday, Public Speaking Class (9-12)- class offered to improve public speaking skills-practice prepared speeches and improptus, Science League- partake in the NJSL competitions as well as bio olympiads, part of the first aid squad, NHS (President), Waksman (President) in school, FBLA-competed in regional events, newspaper-wrote articles, Math Team- participated in NJ Math League and Shore and received smaller accolades

Volunteer: Volunteer at local hospital-converse with patients, assist nurses- 100+ hours, volunteer at local library in Reading Buddies program-foster literature in young children- 30+ hours, EMT on squad- assist in calls -150+ hours

Research: Waksman Student Scholars Program @ RU- learned lab techniques, set up minipreps and used bioinformatics to sequence DNA from a plant species, will get some sequences published coming soon. Have also independently worked on research project in school of bacterial growth

Work Experience: Tutoring for the SAT, have also written a book to sell

Shadowed doctors in India: Got to see an open heart surgery as well an eye operation being performed.


Any suggestions, tips? So what do you think my chances are at the following med programs:
TCNJ/UMDNJ - 7 year
Boston University - 7 year med
Drexel/Drexel-7 year med
GWU/GWU-7 year med
Lehigh/University of Penn - dental 7 year
U Miami HPME-7 year med
RU NEWARK/UMDNJ - 7 year med
Northwestern HPME- 7year med
Penn State- 6 year med
RPI/AMC-7 year med
Villanova/Drexel- 7 year med
Brown U/ Alpert-8 year
CWRU- 8 year med
Union Albany-8 year med
SBU/GW- 8 year med
Thanks!

Unless you start doing cocaine in college you will get into medical school, unless u get into Northwestern or Brown programs i'd recommend just going to one of the Ivies and then going on to medical school from there.

 

[bioguy22]

@JPatel. No, im not trolling, this is a serious question, and thanks for the advice. Yea I feel if I get into a med program I should aim to maintain my GPA with the optimal major.
@JohnQuincyAdams- I am considering ivies and all, but I like the safety of having a med school to fall back on, assuming im on par with GPA and grades. It's reassuring and in some cases I can finish a year early. I've heard that getting into med school is extremely difficult and I dont want to stress myself out too much with all that.
@Medstart108- Thanks, I promise I won't. haha. but Id be happy to get into TCNJ/UMDNJ if possible. All the programs are really selective and I mean even if I dont go to brown or NU will that really hurt me in the long run? I've been under the notion that medicine is less about prestige (unlike law, and business) so would the school really make a significant difference if I am able to walk out a doctor?

 

[Strudel19]

You're going to do awesome in college. I would ignore the BS/MD programs all together. Do you really want to be stuck in the same environment for 8+ years?

 

[Tolbert]

lol... If I were you, I would go to a top-10 school and just ignore the BS/MD programs. You will obviously be a superstar in college, so why limit your options and be stuck somewhere for 7 years.

👍

dude, i mean you wrote a book. wat

 

[bioguy22]

well the book is just an SAT guide, and I hear these programs are EXTREMELY selective. any suggestions on how to strengthen myself as a candidate, realistically

 

[Tolbert]

DUDE, i mean you wrote a book. wat



maybe just volunteer at this point. Never can have too much.

 

[aspiringdoc123]

Is there any point of volunteering at the library if EVERYONE does it?

 

[BioBeaver]

Bioguy22- Congratulations on the awesome performance in high school! Your stats are amazing (as many have already said). I'm going to repeat others in saying that you should consider just getting your Bachelor's at an Ivy and going through the application process! Who knows, you may dislike the area you end up in, want to pursue research as well (MD/PhD), or just get tired of being in the same place.

That being said, I understand why these accelerated programs attract you and I don't blame you for applying to them. I think the key point, especially that our younger readers can take away from this, is that you worked hard and kept your options open! Due to your hard work, you have the freedom and ability to go wherever you want and do whatever you want. The choice you have is a great dilemma to face and I wish you the best of luck.

 

[Tolbert]

Is there any point of volunteering at the library if EVERYONE does it?

Not everyone does it.. I actually don't personally know anyone who has volunteered at a library.

But volunteering anywhere will help, just pick somewhere you'll enjoy and/or are passionate about.

 

[Medstart108]

@JPatel. No, im not trolling, this is a serious question, and thanks for the advice. Yea I feel if I get into a med program I should aim to maintain my GPA with the optimal major.
@JohnQuincyAdams- I am considering ivies and all, but I like the safety of having a med school to fall back on, assuming im on par with GPA and grades. It's reassuring and in some cases I can finish a year early. I've heard that getting into med school is extremely difficult and I dont want to stress myself out too much with all that.
@Medstart108- Thanks, I promise I won't. haha. but Id be happy to get into TCNJ/UMDNJ if possible. All the programs are really selective and I mean even if I dont go to brown or NU will that really hurt me in the long run? I've been under the notion that medicine is less about prestige (unlike law, and business) so would the school really make a significant difference if I am able to walk out a doctor?

It matters less for medicine than law or business because going to a lower ranked medical school won't restrict you from certain jobs like going to a low ranked law school or business school would.

With that being said, there are better connections at top schools, more and higher quality research and going to a top medical school has its advantages in terms of residency as well.

If you do take a lower ranked BS/MD program in a few years you might feel like you could've gotten to a better school and you might regret that. BS/MD programs are generally programs that lower ranked schools create in order to attract the highest achievers who normally would've gone to better schools.

Its up to you, either way you can't go wrong, but if it were me I would go to a more prestigious undergrad and apply to medical school separately.

 

[bioguy22]

well i like the comfort of having a med school, also you get to save a year. ill def apply to some of the top universities separate from all these programs. but i feel getting into one of these programs and being able to finish a year early is really enticing. I suppose I shouldnt get my hopes up, they take like 15-20 takes at most but again I like the guarantee and if nothing else I can just switch after going. I feel keeping up academics at an ivy, along with MCAT and community service may be way too stressful. these programs will lessen the stress a bit no?

 

[Tolbert]

1. I thought that a lot of these made you commit to that med school. I don't really know that much about these programs though so let me know if I'm totally off-base.

2. Also, don't these programs often have a lot of requirements such as a minimum GPA and MCAT score anyway? I mean personally I doubt they'd be less stressful if you could handle all of that in your original post..

3. I've seen many say that an ivy isn't insanely hard like people make it out to be. I mean isn't all of their avg. GPA like 3.2+? I understand what you mean about saving a year, but still..

Still, ngl i don't know much about this so let me know if I'm giving wrong info.

 

[bioguy22]

Some of the programs make you commit, but others just allow you to switch to another school and lose the guarantee of going to its med school. the reqs are def there but i think it's less stressful at less comp schools. and for ivies and elsewhere getting into med school you should optimally have a 3.75 from what i hear which is not easy esp at ivies, 3.2 okay but 3.75 dayum.

 

[JohnQuincyAdams]

I got into Northwestern's BS/MD program but declined it for just a traditional program. It was a great choice, and while I did work hard in college, it wasn't too tough. And now, I am at a medical school that I like more than Northwestern. Grade inflation is big at the Ivy's so I would safely assume you would do very well.

 

[bioguy22]

JohnQuincy-where do you go now? and which college did you go to? also northwestern ive heard is a really stellar program, why the change of heart?

 

[Dreamstoo]

School Type: Public, Competitive in NJ
Race: Indian
Gender: Male
Rank: School doesn't rank individually, top 5%
GPA: 3.95 unweighter, 4.67 weighted
SAT Score: 2400 single sitting
SAT II: Math II-800, Bio. M- 790, USH-800, Physics-710 (wont submit), SAT Chem- will take in October
APs: AP Biology(self-studied 5), AP Statistics (5), AP Chemistry (self-studied 4), AP Environmental Science (self-studied 5), AP English Language (self studied 5), AP Computer Science A (4), AP Calculus BC (5), AP USH (5), AP Latin (3)
Senior Course-load: Multivariable differentials, H. English 12, AP Econ, AP Psych, AP Bio, AP Chem.
Major Accolades: USABO semis x 3, National Latin Exam Gold Medalist, AP National Scholar, top 15 in state for both Biology I and Biology II science league

Extra-Curriculars: Future Physicians of America (member)-4 years, Cross-Country 2 years, Columbia Science Honor's Program (11-12)-take science classes at Columbia every Saturday, Public Speaking Class (9-12)- class offered to improve public speaking skills-practice prepared speeches and improptus, Science League- partake in the NJSL competitions as well as bio olympiads, part of the first aid squad, NHS (President), Waksman (President) in school, FBLA-competed in regional events, newspaper-wrote articles, Math Team- participated in NJ Math League and Shore and received smaller accolades

Volunteer: Volunteer at local hospital-converse with patients, assist nurses- 100+ hours, volunteer at local library in Reading Buddies program-foster literature in young children- 30+ hours, EMT on squad- assist in calls -150+ hours

Research: Waksman Student Scholars Program @ RU- learned lab techniques, set up minipreps and used bioinformatics to sequence DNA from a plant species, will get some sequences published coming soon. Have also independently worked on research project in school of bacterial growth

Work Experience: Tutoring for the SAT, have also written a book to sell

Shadowed doctors in India: Got to see an open heart surgery as well an eye operation being performed.


Any suggestions, tips? So what do you think my chances are at the following med programs:
TCNJ/UMDNJ - 7 year
Boston University - 7 year med
Drexel/Drexel-7 year med
GWU/GWU-7 year med
Lehigh/University of Penn - dental 7 year
U Miami HPME-7 year med
RU NEWARK/UMDNJ - 7 year med
Northwestern HPME- 7year med
Penn State- 6 year med
RPI/AMC-7 year med
Villanova/Drexel- 7 year med
Brown U/ Alpert-8 year
CWRU- 8 year med
Union Albany-8 year med
SBU/GW- 8 year med
Thanks!

I applied there with a 3.5/1800 and got a secondary application. I was the last 300 applicants out of like 1500. If someone as average as I was could get that far in the app process, I would say you have a great chance at all these programs. Have fun with the applications. My friend applied to 17 direct programs and ended up getting into the Brooklyn/Downstate program in New York. Not paying a dime for his undergrad. His stats were 3.7/2000-2100. Never asked but I assume he was >2000

EMT on squad assitance I'm doing that now and I have only 40 hours (stopping at 90-100 hours because school starts up again, also doing paramedic hopefully for 30-40 hours). That's a great EC. I've seen some incredible stuff on my shifts.

 

[Dreamstoo]

You're going to do awesome in college. I would ignore the BS/MD programs all together. Do you really want to be stuck in the same environment for 8+ years?

I totally agree with this. Brother went to a top 5 business school and pursued pre-med for his freshman year. Now he's in a tier 1 law school. Plans change, career path changes.

 

[bioguy22]

yea being on the squad is pretty exciting, Also was your friend in-state for NY, i think they strongly prefer instate students so i wasn't too sure of applying there. I think ivies will be my back-up for I consider these programs significantly more selective than ivies. These programs take like 30-40 kids max and ivies and the top schools take several grand, from a wider more varied pool (some are athletes, national/international award winner) whereas all the people in the medical pool all have extremely great stats and maybe some other stuff. II suppose from what everyone is saying, as long as I write my essays well, I have a good shot at an interview. I think the interview is what I greatly fear.

 

[Tolbert]

just be confident and comfortable (as much as you can be ). As long as you're a respectable, cool person I think you'd be fine. Also, the good thing (or maybe it's just me who finds this as good) is you can usually tell how you are doing or have done in your interviews. So if you really think you killed it, you probably did 🙂

 

[bioguy22]

Yea tolbert that's true, I really am trying to practice on that. Also how do you guys answer questions, like why I want to go to THIS SPECIFIC med school or program without being too general???

 

[Dreamstoo]

yea being on the squad is pretty exciting, Also was your friend in-state for NY, i think they strongly prefer instate students so i wasn't too sure of applying there. I think ivies will be my back-up for I consider these programs significantly more selective than ivies. These programs take like 30-40 kids max and ivies and the top schools take several grand, from a wider more varied pool (some are athletes, national/international award winner) whereas all the people in the medical pool all have extremely great stats and maybe some other stuff. II suppose from what everyone is saying, as long as I write my essays well, I have a good shot at an interview. I think the interview is what I greatly fear.

Horrible mentality IMO. Apply to some state schools to be safe. Do not rely on an ivy league to be a backup. Yeah I think for you, landing an interview shouldn't be a problem. At the RPI program they accept 1/2 of the students they interview. It's a great program, three kids applied from my school (including me), one got in and held his spot until the last minute.... wasn't cool of him to do that. The other kid who applied in our year was on the waitlist and may have gotten in if the kid simply withdrew his application.:cry:.

Apply to all the IVYs though, I do encourage that. You have great numbers and ECs to have a great shot at any of them. Just don't think you're guarenteed to get into one. One kid at my school had about a 3.8/2200 then placed very high in the INTEL science fair (top 5 in the country, I won't list which year for his privacy). He applied to all the IVYs and still got rejected by two of them. I do believe he's in medical school now. Another kid at our school also placed 3rd one year and went to harvard with similar stats. I believe he's now doing a PhD in physics.

 

[bioguy22]

sorry at dreamstoo, i should have phrased what i meant to say better. There def is NOT a guarantee to any ivy. I meant to say comparatively I feel it may be harder to get into these med programs, cause they take significantly fewer kids. I apologize i did not mean to sound so cocky. yes ill def apply to some nice state schools like RU for safety.

 

[Adjet]

As a student currently in a mid-tier accelerated medical program with stats similar to yours, I would not say I have been selling myself short even after turning down several ivies/top-schools like some users have indicated one could feel. (Maybe if I turned down Harvard, which someone in my program did...) It's very nice not having to worry about grades, MCAT, ECs etc. as much as normal pre-meds do which makes my experience relatively stress-free. It's not for you if you're on the fence about medicine but otherwise it's a great option. Yes, there is a chance that you could get into a better medical school if you do the traditional route but you have to consider if it's worth it. The medical school my mid-tier program is linked with is solid and does not put me at a disadvantage for the most competitive residencies.

As far as competitiveness goes most BS/MDs are easier to get into than the ivies (with obvious exceptions like Northwestern, Rice/Baylor). Given your academic stats, you are in very good shape for getting quite a few interviews. Ivies, however, are less formulaic and thus harder to predict. You are in decent shape for some of the lower ivies (Dartmouth, Penn CAS, Cornell) but beyond those it gets tough.

Anyways good luck feel free to PM if you have any specific questions about my program or anything else.

 

[JohnQuincyAdams]

JohnQuincy-where do you go now? and which college did you go to? also northwestern ive heard is a really stellar program, why the change of heart?

I went to a top-50 state school and now go to Mayo Medical School. The state school was free for me to go to, and I knew I could work hard to get into a great med school. Northwestern was good but I didn't think I would want to be there for 7 years and was much more expensive.

 

[Doudline]

Is this... collegeconfidential.com?

 

[Tolbert]

it might be

 

[Dreamstoo]

Is this... collegeconfidential.com?

Feels like it... I still remember going on that website in high school and seeing kids with like 4.0/2400 worried about getting into a school.🙄

 

[bioguy22]

bump

 

[Developer]

kids with like 4.0/2400 worried about getting into a school.🙄

And this... this is why I hate going on that site.

 

[UnofficialBSMD]

Why bump the thread? I think your stats speak for themselves. I think you will get interviews. Just depends on how you act during them to get a final acceptance.