Jesspt,
You consistently come across as arrogant and a know it all, are you aware of that?
It is inappropriate for you to comment on how much knowledge a PT must have on an hospital ortho floor, it is not your decision, and you obviously lack experience in this area to make a judgement (1 mo). The state board of PT decides who is competent to practice PT, and a CNA is certainly not, despite any thoughts you fabricate to be facts in your head.
Also, I don't appreciate how you commonly imply the vast majority of PT's are incompetent. Do you grasp that it is those PT's who have compiled all the knowledge that you learned in school?
You are not the only PT who reads journal articles and applies them to PT practice. It appears that you automatically assume there are very limited PT's who do. I read articles consistently, I'm an APTA member, ortho/geriatric sections member. You don't hear me rambling on about articles and evidence every two seconds though do you? Just because someone doesn't run their mouth doesn't mean they don't know. Write that down.
The OP was making the argument that PT's now are getting scammed by earning the DPT because it's too expensive relative to the pay. You assumed the OP posted because he/she didn't observe any difference between a DPT or a BSPT as a clinician. That has nothing to do with it and isn't even relevant.
OK FiveO -
My opinion is inappropriate, but ad hominem attacks from you are justified? That seems like a bit of a double standard.
Let me address some of your comments:
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It is inappropriate for you to comment on how much knowledge a PT must have on an hospital ortho floor, it is not your decision, and you obviously lack experience in this area to make a judgement (1 mo).
Not sure why it would be inappropriate for me to comment on this. I have worked on an ortho floor and didn't feel that the job required the skill level that all PTs have when we graduate from school. I now see patients primarily in an outpatient orthopaedic setting, where I commonly encounter patients who have had total joint replacements. When we discuss their inpatient rehab, I hear little from them that changes my opinion. Do you have examples (perhaps from the many articles you are constantly reading) that contradict this?
You are correct. It is not my decision on how to staff the floor. But my experience has been that the directors of rehab departments are not exactly incentivized to decreased their staffing of these departments, as it will negatively impact their budget.
And, in regards to the one month time frame - well, how long did it take you to master a sit-to-stand or sit-to-supine transfer? And how about the standard ROM and strengthening exercises that are part of the typical critical pathway that most hospitals use in the immeidate post-operative phase. It took you longer than a month?
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The state board of PT decides who is competent to practice PT, and a CNA is certainly not, despite any thoughts you fabricate to be facts in your head.
You state the obvious here, which has nothing to do with my statement. To paraphrase, I didn't say a CNA was competent to practice PT. Rather, I stated that my opinion was that post-op rehab, as it is typically practiced, doesn't really resemble a treatment environment that requires the skillset that we are able to provide.
And in regards to my head, it is admittedly a strange place that you amy want to stay out of. You might frequently find these scary things calls opinions, which often run counter to the conventional physical therapy wisdom.
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Also, I don't appreciate how you commonly imply the vast majority of PT's are incompetent. Do you grasp that it is those PT's who have compiled all the knowledge that you learned in school?
Well, much of my didactic preparation was based on science, or at least the applicable science that we knew at that time. Certainly, some clinicians contributed to it as well, names such as Maitland, McKenzie, Kaltenborn, Bobath, etc. come to mind. However, I doubt that the PTs I am sometimes critical of had any contribution to "what I learned in school." Although I did encounter several PTs in my clinicals that taught me how not to practice physical therapy. And, I suppose, that in itself was quite educational.
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You are not the only PT who reads journal articles and applies them to PT practice. It appears that you automatically assume there are very limited PT's who do.
I am aware that other PTs read articles. In fact, I have several friends and co-workers/peers who take a similar approach to lifelong learning that I do. Unfortunately, I work for a large company and come into contact with a large number of clinicians, many of whom haven' picked up a journal or read a decent article in months if not years. They are never at our quarterly journal club. My assumption is based out of this experience. Perhaps your experiences differ.
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I read articles consistently, I'm an APTA member, ortho/geriatric sections member. You don't hear me rambling on about articles and evidence every two seconds though do you? Just because someone doesn't run their mouth doesn't mean they don't know. Write that down.
I have written it down. I used all capital letters, since you seemd as though you really wanted this point emphasized.
I would love to hear you discuss these articles that you read consistently. Perhaps you have some which contradict my previous statements. If so, please share. This would be what is commonly reffered to as professional debate.
Also, do your co-workers read a simmilar amount of literature as you do? If not, how can you be so sure that the vast majority of PTs are keeping abreast (as best as they can) of research relevant to their current area of practice?
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The OP was making the argument that PT's now are getting scammed by earning the DPT because it's too expensive relative to the pay. You assumed the OP posted because he/she didn't observe any difference between a DPT or a BSPT as a clinician. That has nothing to do with it and isn't even relevant.
Uh, no. I thought I articulated this in my previous post, but perhaps not. I think (and this is my opinion) that one of the reasons that the OP felt PT school was a scam was that he noticed little value that was provided by the PTs in that setting that couldn't be provided by another health care worker. And, since that was the case, why get your DPT (and pay big $$$) when you can get an RN degree for considerable less cash, practice in a similar manner, and make the same, if not more money.
I seemed to have upset you FiveO. My intention was to engage in professional debate, and to also point out that once the PT students on this board graduate, they need to remain aware that they should demonstrate their value in whatever setting they land in. That tends to be easy to think about while we are in school, but gets harder once we get out into our clinicals, where many CIs are still telling their students "that might be what they taught you in school ,but this is how it's done in the clinic" or some variation thereof. Some seem to have been receptive to this message. I might ask why it seems that you were not.
you for working full time, going to school, rescuing kittens, and putting out wildfires through nursing school. It is extraordinarily commendable(dead serious). Please come back when you are taking a 22 credit semester(14-15cr basic science), have part-time clinical responsibilities, are responsible for individual and group research all while still responsible for 10-20 hours of independent study time throughout the week.
I'm making more sense and proving my point people are mad because I am proving my point and you are taking out anger and aggression owing so much money and making less than you owe. This is a classic example why we are in a recession.
