BU MAMS Fall 2009

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I also applied to boston for the oral health sciences track back in February but I haven't heard anything. I was accepted into Barry's 1 yr program about a month ago though.
 
I also applied in the middle of February..wasn't complete till March 11, still haven't heard anything. I called and left a message on Dr. M's answering machine but no call back. I got into UMDNJ-newark masters program so I am happy and will most likely be attending there. But it would be nice to know if i got accepted or rejected from BU
 
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I received a call today saying I was accepted:

For those of you who are interested my stats are:


Biology Major; Philosophy Minor
Overall GPA: 3.32 (but 3.7 over my last 75 credits)
BCPM: 3.16
GRE: 70th percentile Quant and 77th Percentile Verbal

Upper level Science Classes

Good Luck Everyone!!
 
Also, If anyone has any insiders on the best places to live in Boston I would appreciate it!!

I will update all of you if I find anything out...I feel we are all in this together now lol.
 
I just sent in my interfolio letters without speaking to anyone =P

Figured it would be quite a hassle to hunt down everyone who wrote me a letter, and give them a new recommender form to fill out. And yeah, I had about a one month turnaround from when I submitted my application until my acceptance.

I actually called to make sure that they received my materials in time, and to help speed up the processing of my application I faxed in my MCAT scores. I spoke to Natasha Hall (admissions assistant) and she was very helping in pushing my application through. Good luck!
 
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BU website states the program is 32 units and that 8 units of research are recommended. Is this then 24 units of classes and 8 units of research or is it 32 units of classes and then 8 units of research for a total of 40 units? I believe it is the latter.
 
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natasha hall would be the person to contact but i think if you just email it to them it won't be a problem.

by the way, glad to see u decided to the program.
 
My app was completed 3/22 and I got in a few days ago

Biology and Economics Double Major
Cum GPA: 3.2 (Upward Trend...was at a 2.0 in my sophmore year)
GREs' 80th percentile Verbal and Quant

Anyone know how this program ranks again Drexel MSP and UMDNJ-MBS? Is BU's program that much better?
 
Thanks for all the advice. I think I'm probably gonna go with BU. Anyone want to get a facebook group or something going.
 
BU website states the program is 32 units and that 8 units of research are recommended. Is this then 24 units of classes and 8 units of research or is it 32 units of classes and then 8 units of research for a total of 40 units? I believe it is the latter.

24 and 8, but almost, if not everyone (at least everyone i know) is doing more than 24 credits of classes right now.
 
Hey Everyone,

Does anyone know what previous research experience counts for in this program? I have 2.5 years of research experience, although not the highest GPA.

Thanks!
 
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I'm trying to find a place on the Charles River Campus. Anyone got any suggestions?
 
Hey everyone! Congrats to all those that are in, and best of luck to all those on the wait-list!

I just completed the program here (I did it over 2 years). I'd be happy to answer any and all questions about the program, Boston, moving, housing, classes, advisors, or anything else you think of that I might be able to answer. Just PM me and I'll get back to you as soon as I can.
 
Hey everyone! Congrats to all those that are in, and best of luck to all those on the wait-list!

I just completed the program here (I did it over 2 years). I'd be happy to answer any and all questions about the program, Boston, moving, housing, classes, advisors, or anything else you think of that I might be able to answer. Just PM me and I'll get back to you as soon as I can.


Hey!

Tell us about anything that you think will be useful! Why did u choose the two year option instead of the one year? What classes did you love? What classes did you hate? Thanks!! 🙂
 
Hey guys,
I am a second year GMS student and was wondering if anyone need housing. I live in Boston University Central, Brookline which is where the BU undergraduate campus is. A perfect location for students. There is a BU shuttle stop a block away that takes you straight to the Medical campus. It's a 3bdr apartment. $1050/1bdr and includes utility. I'm looking for someone to move in either in June or July. Short term, long term lease, doesn't matter we can negotiate. Let me know asap!!
 
I just got accepted and am waiting to see if i should go. It appears that the program can be finished in a year, which i am wholly ready to kill myself for, but someone said that i might not be able to register for all the courses in time in order to finish the program in one year.
 
quick question about the application (I know I'm applying late, but just giving it a shot!)

On the online application, it asks if you've taken any courses intended for the degree.. I've completed all of the courses required for the MAMS program, but I'm not sure if these are the courses that they're referring to in this question.. do I have to list all of my science courses?
 
Hey!

Tell us about anything that you think will be useful! Why did u choose the two year option instead of the one year? What classes did you love? What classes did you hate? Thanks!! 🙂

Sorry about the delay in replying. I don’t check this board a lot (though I will do a bit more often from now on).

I chose to do the 2 yr option for a couple of reasons. One was to take more grad level science classes (since I was a history major as an undergrad, I wanted to do more higher-level sciences classes to better prep me for med school). It also let me put a lot of time into doing my thesis (which I am now working with my PI to see if it can be published). Granted, there are lots of people that do the 1 year option (even a few that manage to crank out a research thesis in that time), but on the whole I would say at least 2/3 of the people in the program do the 2-year plan.

Classes I disliked (I think hate is such a strong word 😉 ): Main one is biochem (which is a pretty rough class, but y’all will be taking it). I really wasn’t prepared for how intense it would be. The test questions in the class are written by each professor for the material that they lecture on….which seems reasonable until you realize there are something like 8-10 professors that lecture over the course of the semester, and each one writes WAY different questions.

Classes I liked: I LOVED the Intro to Pharmacology class taught by Dr Walsh. Very interesting, not too heavy a workload for the semester (2 tests and a paper), and I felt her test questions, while tough, were always consistent and fair. Dr Walsh can be a little…..entertaining….at times, but she is always more than happy to talk to students and really wants to help them succeed.

I would suggest taking an elective or two that really interests you…they have lots of classes in cell bio, genetics, nutrition, mental health, clinical research, ethics, whatever…….these classes usually are not overly difficult (at least compared to biochem and such), and it is refreshing to go to a class 1-2 times a week that you REALLY enjoy the material. Talk with your advisors during orientation, look over the class options, and go from there.

Again, congrats to all that are in, and good luck to those still submitting their applications. To those on the wait list, don’t give up. There were several people that started with me that were accepted into the program off the waitlist in August. Keep the staff updated with new transcripts, awards/honors received, or anything else you think will enhance your file.

As always, feel free to PM me if you have any further questions (I will reply faster there then if you post here).
 
Do you feel the biochem was hard because of the questions tested or just because you weren't used to being taught in a team taught course and hadn't had much experience with biochem? I'm asking because i have some med biochem background from my molecular med masters which used a lot of same powerpoints taught to med students at USF and was also a team taught course where each professor made their own questions. But on the whole the questions weren't horrible. so my question is do you think that it was because of the amount of material and number of teachers or were the questions ridiculously hard?

A bit of both. For example, there is one professor in the biochem class that has some questions where you have about 1.5 pages (single-spaced) of material that was the background to 1-2 questions. This doesn't sound too bad except he was one of two professors for that mid-term test (and there were around 70 questions in the test). Then you'd have professors that would tell you that you didn't need to memorize stuff, but another professor later in the course would tell you that you'd need to memorize it. That just adds to the frustration. I had been in classes before that were team-taught, but this one was a totally different beast.
 
Just wanted to let people who are in the waitlist for BU MAMS, I'll be withdrawing my seat in the next couple of weeks. I guess I'll be heading to UCSF instead.

Cheers
 
For a post bac/MS/or did you get off some med school waitlist?

I'm confused. Good luck. Also are you not holding much hope for EVMS?

No it's a post bac @ UCSF sorry for the confusion. They gave me the stats for UCSF Post Bac: 97.5% acceptance rate to medical school, good linkage with CA Med School, and its a subsidized program (Less than $5000 for tuition, stipend for summer, and free MCAT prep class).

Still waiting for Med School waitlist decision :xf:

EVMS is a good program but they have no movement (I called) so far and its already mid june so I think there might be little or no movement.
 
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So you know what confuses me. If anyone has an answer to this, it would be helpful. It has a Medical Histology course there but on the sample it has a 6 credit Microscopic Anatomy in the sample curricula for one doing it in one year.

Why is that not listed?? Does anyone know anything about this?

Medical Histology is the current name for the course (and has been for 3-4 yrs). Before that, it was known as Microscopic Anatomy. Guess they haven't gotten around to changing that detail on the website yet.
 
Ahh thank you for the clarification. I was also confused for another reason. Why does it say its only 3 credits and on that sample thing it says 6 credits? Do they split it up into 2 semesters or have they just made it a 3 credit course?

Both. Last year they started offering it as a year-long course (3 credits each semester for Fall and Spring semesters). They still also offer it as a 6 credit course in one semester, offered in both the Spring and Summer semesters.
 
What would you recommend I do? Take the 6 credit course or take the 3, 3 combination? I'm trying to figure out what classes I should take and was using the sample curricula and what I saw in that pdf to kind of guide me. So I'm curious what you'd recommend.

Also for physiology is it better to take physio A, physio B combination or the 1 semester spring version?

First off Congrats!

IMO, also based on what others have preferred, take the 6 histo credit course in the spring and split the physios up into 2 (4 credits each). Are you taking the statistics? I passed out of it but was told it is a good grade booster if you want to refresh but I am not sure what I am doing yet.

So for the fall semester IMO take biochem (6 credits), physio A (4 credits), and elective (4 credit) and biostats (2 credit refresher instead of 4 credit class) for a total of 16credits. if you don't want to take biostats at all then put in a 2 credit elective.


For the Spring IMO take histo (6 credit) endo or other elective (4 credit) pharmacology (2 credit) and physio B (4 credit)

That equals 32 total and then you can do research in the summer and be done in 1 year if want.
 
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This is completely anecdotal... BUT, I sat next to someone on an airplane from this program last year and they were on their way to an interview for Stanford medical school. He had a 3.1 undergrad GPA, and a 37 MCAT... I think he said he had done pretty well in the program too...

Anyway, he did the two year option and thinks that it was solely because of that second year and the research that allowed him to get such great interviews. He already had an acceptance to Pitt too!

So, doing the one year option gets you in faster, but doing the two will likely get you in to "better" schools. Congrats everyone!!

Just as a side note: I did the G-town SMP and Biochem was tough, but my favorite subject. I liked that all of the pathways were memorizable, where as with physiology there is a lot of understanding and leeway with the answers. So, you may be surprised what you end up liking and disliking!
 
Reggie,
Thanks for your response.

Another quick question if you don't mind. Or ms.smith or bostonson can respond if you see this. Do you pay that 36,000 dollars for the whole 2 years or do you pay 36,000 per year? I'm a bit confused about how cost works.

Also, what's your thoughts on Susan Wilcox to current GMSers? I keep hearing that she's the person you go to for your Dean's letter and yet not as helpful to those who want to do it in one year. I'm just curious what people's thoughts are.

The 36,000 tuition is strictly for the fall and spring semesters, not the 2 summer sessions. I am not sure of the exact price but a continuing education fee is applied to the summer sessions for the research thesis. I am almost positive it is around 4-5 thousand combined for the 2 summer sessions. The continuing education can be used also for the fall and spring semesters of the 2nd year if needed. Again about $2500 per semester. If you do not have the 32 credits of coursework by the end of the 1st year spring semester than you will pay a per credit fee for based on how many credits you need. IMO it is best and cheapest to complete the 32 credits in the first fall and spring semester and either do a library thesis for the 2 summer sessions or do a lab thesis going into the second year. Some complete the lab thesis in the first year but it is difficult to do so. I also recommend doing the thesis in your hometown to save on the cost of living expenses of boston. However you still need to pay the continuing education fee.

I have talked to Dr. Broitman about the whole 1 year thing and he insists that 1st semester grades from the BU MAMS will not be seen by medical schools. I do not think they do the whole update on grades like Georgetown does. From what I gather, If you want to do it in 1 year you are on your own for the most part, with minimal help. If you act early and inform Susan Wilcox from the VERY BEGINNING I am sure she can get something out for you, otherwise befriend some professors or your advisor and let them know of your plans immediately. Someone told me that students who have gotten into MD schools typically came in with a 3.4+ undergrad, but I am not sure of the validity of that statement. As you know it is intended to be 2 years. I am going to go into it with the 2 year plan and make the most of the second year by either doing a MPH, a year in the Peace Corps, or a lab thesis at Harvard or other close by school.

DrJD is right about the second year, because the grades will actually be seen for all classes and the med schools will be informed of your thesis work and 2nd year plans.


I don't know that much about Susan Wilcox
 
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I contacted my undergrad biology advisor who also happens to be the unofficial SMPs advisor at my Ivy League school, just to make sure I am choosing the right place - I was accepted to all my SMPs. Anyway, my biology advisor initially told me I should look into Georgetown which is why I began applying to SMPs, but after gathering information and receiving all of my acceptances I asked her if BU was perhaps better for me. Here is what she said:

"In terms of what to do, you are likely to have more med school choices if you stay for 2 years at BU. I say this because if you do the 1 year SMP at Georgetown, you are in a position to be considered favorably by Georgetown but not other med schools because they can't view your grades until January, which means you will not be reviewed early in the application cycle and this puts you at a disadvantage. If you to to BU, you will apply after a year of grad school, have grades and research experiences to share, and hence are probably a more competitive applicant. Does this make sense?"

I trust her advice with my life, and so I am reallllllllllllly excited to be going to BU 🙂
 
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if they don't send the grade updates for you is it possible to send them yourself via an unofficial transcript or something?


I don't know. This is a good question to ask someone in the program. Maybe see if BU gives out midterm grades or maybe you can ask each professor privately where you stand at a certain date.
 
Would passing out of biostatistics save any money or is it $36,000 regardless?

I was thinking about taking biostatistics at a college near me this summer and trying to save some money.
 
For those of you that took the two year track, what did you do during the summer between?

Did you take a lighter load during the first year and finish your 32 units during the summer? Or do you have the summer off then come back and finish your thesis during the second year?
 
The Estimation of Expenses show that the 9 month and 12 month tuitions are 38,000. I thought the 12 month program meant that I would be there from Sept. 1st 2009 to Sept. 1st 2010; completing the summer session in succession. Why would I have to pay this continuing education fee? Wouldn't the tuition be stated as otherwise? ... Am I missing something? haha
 
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Also, I'm from Canada, so i'm not sure how they view my GPA...
I know my GPA isn't strong from a Canadian school point of view so I was wondering if somebody could tell me how the GPA system is broken down by percentage in American schools.

Honors Specialization Cellular and Developmental Biology 2009
University of Western Ontario

Are there any other international students? I hope I'm not the only Canadian...
 
For those of you that took the two year track, what did you do during the summer between?

Did you take a lighter load during the first year and finish your 32 units during the summer? Or do you have the summer off then come back and finish your thesis during the second year?

Some people take a year of classes and then go home and take the second year to write their thesis. For those that remain in the Boston area, they can continue to take elective classes while writing their thesis.
 
Sorry about the delay in replying. I don’t check this board a lot (though I will do a bit more often from now on).

I chose to do the 2 yr option for a couple of reasons. One was to take more grad level science classes (since I was a history major as an undergrad, I wanted to do more higher-level sciences classes to better prep me for med school). It also let me put a lot of time into doing my thesis (which I am now working with my PI to see if it can be published). Granted, there are lots of people that do the 1 year option (even a few that manage to crank out a research thesis in that time), but on the whole I would say at least 2/3 of the people in the program do the 2-year plan.

Classes I disliked (I think hate is such a strong word 😉 ): Main one is biochem (which is a pretty rough class, but y’all will be taking it). I really wasn’t prepared for how intense it would be. The test questions in the class are written by each professor for the material that they lecture on….which seems reasonable until you realize there are something like 8-10 professors that lecture over the course of the semester, and each one writes WAY different questions.

Classes I liked: I LOVED the Intro to Pharmacology class taught by Dr Walsh. Very interesting, not too heavy a workload for the semester (2 tests and a paper), and I felt her test questions, while tough, were always consistent and fair. Dr Walsh can be a little…..entertaining….at times, but she is always more than happy to talk to students and really wants to help them succeed.

I would suggest taking an elective or two that really interests you…they have lots of classes in cell bio, genetics, nutrition, mental health, clinical research, ethics, whatever…….these classes usually are not overly difficult (at least compared to biochem and such), and it is refreshing to go to a class 1-2 times a week that you REALLY enjoy the material. Talk with your advisors during orientation, look over the class options, and go from there.

Again, congrats to all that are in, and good luck to those still submitting their applications. To those on the wait list, don’t give up. There were several people that started with me that were accepted into the program off the waitlist in August. Keep the staff updated with new transcripts, awards/honors received, or anything else you think will enhance your file.

As always, feel free to PM me if you have any further questions (I will reply faster there then if you post here).


I am soo thankful for all of these details. I have a question about the timeline...so the summer between the academic years..did you take it off??? If not, what did you do? I am also wondering if you took additional courses during the second year in addition to your research. Also how easy/hard was it to find faculty to create a research project with? I am looking forward to hearing your answers. Thanks🙂
 
hey everyone! i was recently accepted to BU MAMS...waitlisted at Georgetown 👎 blech but whatever. BU is sweet! I wanted to ask...does anyone know when exactly the program begins? The acceptance letter definitely vagued September, but not much else informacion.

p.s. this 14 days business is hella stressful
 
I think it says on that link posted in the post I quoted by pdiddy above. But let me post the link here again as a post. Also, I'm in the same situation as you of waitlist at Gtown and in at BU MAMS.

EDIT: Here's the link: http://gmsfile.bumc.bu.edu/pdfs/fall.pdf

Looks like sept 2nd.

aw, and by the looks of it, you're indian and a girl as well. we're twins!

oh and thank you! 🙂
 
yep. what part of India are you from? I'm from Ahmedabad and Mumbai. dad from mumbai, and mom from ahmedabad. i was born in Mumbai and there til I was 2 but grew up an hour south of Tampa.

i'm punjabi! mum grew up in delhi, dad grew up in chandigarh. i was born in melbourne, australia, and stayed there till i was 3 - then moved to the bay area in cali cali. went to berkeley for undergrad, and now am about to experience school outside of california for the first time ever :scared:
 
for all who were accepted / going to BU MAMS: are we supposed to send in our health packet in the 14 days as well? i'm out of the country for the next month, starting Sunday, and thus wasn't able to get an appointment till mid-July. x_x
 
Georgetown is popular because it gets you into a few specific schools within the year. BU has much greater success at increasing your general acceptance to medical school. It really doesn't matter if it is easier to get into or if they are doing it for money. If they can get me into a medical school, and the %s are in the 80+, I don't really care.

Technically, the more students that are in the program, the more competitive it is. Much more so than having only 20 students in it, or even a 100. You'll just need to try harder.
 
Georgetown is popular because it gets you into a few specific schools within the year. BU has much greater success at increasing your general acceptance to medical school. It really doesn't matter if it is easier to get into or if they are doing it for money. If they can get me into a medical school, and the %s are in the 80+, I don't really care.

Technically, the more students that are in the program, the more competitive it is. Much more so than having only 20 students in it, or even a 100. You'll just need to try harder.

I guess i see your point.
 
I will be attending BU MAMS this fall and am now trying to choose between Harrison Court or the Charles River for housing. I really would like to live close to some people in this smp program and wasn't sure what the better bet for that would be or if anyone can comment on living in either of these two places? Thanks.
 
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