Calc vs algebra physics?

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So, I'm aware that the adcoms are generally indifferent whether you take calc or algebra based physics. Nevertheless, I wanted to hear people's thoughts on it. Do people ever end up taking both, or is it a waste and choose one over the other based on preference?

I don't particularly care about difficulty, but which class seemed more worthwhile to you guys?
 
It's the same stuff taught with slightly different mathematics. You won't see the derivation of magnetic fields of charge-carrying loops in algebra based physics like here http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/biosav.html#c1

If you like physics and calculus go ahead and take it. Like I said, the calculus was mostly used for derivations. The exams could be completed almost exclusively with algebra.
 
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So, I'm aware that the adcoms are generally indifferent whether you take calc or algebra based physics. Nevertheless, I wanted to hear people's thoughts on it. Do people ever end up taking both, or is it a waste and choose one over the other based on preference?

I don't particularly care about difficulty, but which class seemed more worthwhile to you guys?

Depends...The B.S. degree in Chemistry at my school requires calculus-based physics but a B.A. in chemistry doesn't. Taking both imo would be a waste of time. However, if I had to do it again I would take the calculus-based version of physics but then again I like math...With that said, nothing on the MCAT is calculus-based so it is really up to you.
 
Why would you take calc based physics when it is not required for anything related to medicine?

Take algebra based physics, pass that part on the MCAT, then call it a day.
 
Why would you take calc based physics when it is not required for anything related to medicine?

Why would you take a class on early modern Russian history? It's not like that's required for anything related to medicine.
 
Choose one. I would highly recommend the algebra based since most of the equations are much more MCAT relevant. Taking the calculus based physics class gives you absolutely no advantage in terms of the MCAT, unless you just love math. 😉

I'm math-phobic so I took the algebra one. Usually the calc based one is more for engineers, etc.
 
This has been a question on my mind for a while. I would assume the calculus based physics would be more suitable for students thinking about research.

Also, I am surprised to see Harvard's seemingly new requirements for medical school. Granted, it is Harvard and they naturally would require many more courses than standard medical schools, but I wonder if they may create the impetus for other medical schools to stress some of these same courses.

Additional requirements for the HST Program In addition to all the above requirements, the HST curriculum requires that students be comfortable with upper-level mathematics (through differential equations and linear algebra), biochemistry, and molecular biology. This is usually demonstrated through upper level course work, but other approaches may satisfy these requirements. In addition, one year of calculus-based physics in college is required.
I have talked to physics professors at my school, and they have said it is actually harder for them to teach algebra based physics. In their opinion, these problems "should be solved using calculus."

If you enjoy math, and enjoy research, I think you should go for calculus based physics.
 
I would take the algebra-based physics since it is easier (so you'll probably get a better grade) and more relevant to the MCAT. If you are very interested in more advanced physics, then take that, but don't make it harder for yourself if you don't have to.
 
If you are good at calc, take calc-based.

If not, do algebra based.
 
This has been a question on my mind for a while. I would assume the calculus based physics would be more suitable for students thinking about research.

Also, I am surprised to see Harvard's seemingly new requirements for medical school. Granted, it is Harvard and they naturally would require many more courses than standard medical schools, but I wonder if they may create the impetus for other medical schools to stress some of these same courses.

I have talked to physics professors at my school, and they have said it is actually harder for them to teach algebra based physics. In their opinion, these problems "should be solved using calculus."

If you enjoy math, and enjoy research, I think you should go for calculus based physics.
That's for the HST (research-intensive) 4 year MD program. Their normal requirements are the following:

In the area of physics, students should be well prepared in biologically relevant areas of mechanics, kinetics, thermodynamics, the properties of matter (quantum theory) and wave theory, electricity and magnetism, and optics. Ordinarily, this requirement is accomplished most readily by a year-long course in physics. Although a formal year-long course that covers these concepts will meet the physics requirement, other innovative approaches (including interdisciplinary courses taught together with biology and biologically relevant physical sciences) that allow students to master these “competencies,” independent of discrete courses and semester time commitments, are encouraged and will be considered.

 
That's for the HST (research-intensive) 4 year MD program. Their normal requirements are the following:

Ah! Did not know the difference, thanks for pointing it out.

I guess calculus based physics might be more suited for students really considering a research career along with the M.D. rather than using the M.D. for clinical care only.
 
I believe that there really aren't many differences between calc- and algebra-based Physics. I took calc-based Physics and only needed the most basic calculus. If you know how to take derivatives and integrals, you are golden.

I found that taking it did not impair my MCATs - everything I needed to know for the MCAT was covered in my class. The two Physics are so similar, in fact, that calc and algebra students were placed into the same Physics labs at my school. The scheduling was a little weird, so that's how I ended up in calc-based.
 
I'm a mathematics person, so I'd be more inclined to suggest calc-based physics. There's a more in-depth development of theories, formulas... in that class vs. algebraic physics. If you are math-oriented, you may be frustrated with the algebraic-based course (memorizing formulas vs. understanding theory)... However, if you aren't interested in physics/don't enjoy math, I'd say to take the algebraic course. It suffices for the MCAT and for medical school's physiology courses.
 
I took algebra-based and was fine for the MCAT, but only because I didn't have time in my schedule to take calculus before hand.

If I could do it again, I would take calc-based physics because it is more intuitive and elegant than plug-and-chug formulas (especially in classical mechanics) and would keep more options open for research and upper-level science classes. If you do decide to take calc-based, make sure your math skills are good and that you've covered all the topics you'll need (email the prof in advance).
 
Why would you take a class on early modern Russian history? It's not like that's required for anything related to medicine.

although i agree completely with the point you are trying to make, i'd go even further and argue that, having taken both, the Russian history course is more relevant to the practice of medicine than the calc.

I took algebra-based and was fine for the MCAT, but only because I didn't have time in my schedule to take calculus before hand.

If I could do it again, I would take calc-based physics because it is more intuitive and elegant than plug-and-chug formulas (especially in classical mechanics) and would keep more options open for research and upper-level science classes. If you do decide to take calc-based, make sure your math skills are good and that you've covered all the topics you'll need (email the prof in advance).

you beat me to it. this is the best response in the thread and i could easily have said all of this myself. I took algebra-based, i found it easy. I would take calc if i had it to do over because it would have solidified the concepts for me... it would have been "easier" in that sense, esp. since the derivations are not difficult (for those of us who don't have trouble with these things.) The point someone else made about physics profs having a hard time with algebra based is also a very good one - these courses are dead ends for the department in terms of recruiting majors, the instructors have a hard time explaining the concepts to students because they are used to thinking about them in terms of calc and their brains just don't "click" that way - tl;dr, the algebra-based courses tend to be poorly taught.
 
Take calculus based physics. Unless you're just trying to get into medical school and don't really care how the world actually works.
 
I wish I had taken the calc based physics 🙁 I like to see where equations come from, not just memorize them.
 
I took calculus based physics and tutored students in both calculus and algebra based physics for two years.

Physics and calculus are made for each other - physics without calculus is kind of awkward. The calculus in a calculus-based intro physics course is extremely light compared to an actual calc course... in fact, having a conceptual understanding of what a derivative is and what an integral is might be good enough to get you through the vast majority of it.

Unless you really truly struggle with calculus, I would take calc-based. Don't take algebra-based just because you "don't need to take calc-based."
 
Take calculus based physics. Unless you're just trying to get into medical school and don't really care how the world actually works.

many of the people in medical school that would otherwise have been weeded out by calculus are worthy additions to the profession, i assure you.
 
Take the calc-based course if you're a fan of calculus.
 
many of the people in medical school that would otherwise have been weeded out by calculus are worthy additions to the profession, i assure you.

Undoubtedly, never did I imply otherwise! My statement still stands. Calculus-based physics provides a deeper and more "real" understanding of the physical world. You can still be a great physician without this understanding.
 
Ugh, I'm stuck at this decision as well. Registation is coming up and I need to decide which one to take. I took Calc and I did pretty well in it, so which one should I take?
 
Undoubtedly, never did I imply otherwise! My statement still stands. Calculus-based physics provides a deeper and more "real" understanding of the physical world. You can still be a great physician without this understanding.

Well Gauss, great mathematician, had all the pieces of puzzle to get to Maxwell equations. But missed simple concept that charge need to be conserved. Maxwell implemented that on existing equations, one of them being Guass's law, and unified Electricity and Magnetism in equations immortalized as Maxwell equations. Faraday never wrote an equation but had much deeper understanding of Physics, and even Maxwell thought so.
As Feynman put it, if you can't explain it in simple English, or whatever your language is, you haven't got to the deeper level of nature. Einstein knew nothing about Reiman geometry. His friend did most of the derivations using tensor calculus.

However, complicated mathematics makes implementation of deep physical ideas easier. Einstein would have definately benifited from knowing tensor calculus, though he might have been distracted as well. Einstien gave a seminar on his General Theory of Relativity, and Hilbert constructed that theory with different approach over a weekend, and even published his version a day before Einstien.

If you understand calculus it is easier to implment physical ideas in calculations though you have to spend time understaning calculus. You may actually understand physics at deeper level using algebraic approach. Beyond understanding that slope is a derivative and integral is area under the curve there is not much to be learnt in calculus; after that its mostly rules for simplify the practice. Once you learn that it is all algebra, and that is the way Archemedes did it.

You can learn all the physics through algebra. Calculus is just a better language- Gibbs said mathematics is a language- to present the results. Vector Calculus may be still better. There was actualy a student, a pre-med, who repeated algebra based physics since he got a B in calculus based course. Well he was last to get A-; may be just because he repeated the material but not because it was easy.

Don't go to Calculus based becuase it will teach you any thing deeper.
If you know or want to know calculus that is fine. It certainly won't help in MCAT; for MCAT just do a lot of problems and understand how to apply some shortcuts such as dimensional analysis and conservation laws instead of doing too much algebra.
 
I would just take algebra based. Just don't make the mistake of memorizing formulas and just mindlessly plugging in numbers. Know how to derive things, especially the kinematic equations. It makes life so much easier.
 
in my opinion

algebra based physics = regurgitate FBDs, remember equation, plug and chug, done. i'm looking to just pass it on the mcat. looking at physics as just problems replayed over and over again, little room for the oddballs.

calc based physics = looking at physics from an indepth understanding. algebra equations are a backup. better chance on oddball questions. however bad for your gpa, but you will most like decimate the mcat physics section.

metaphysics = is where its at.
 
Physics has been the best class I've ever taken. Solving things with multiple unknown variables is just...fun. 😛 I'm not really a math person but Physics has made me want to take higher maths just to have a better understanding of everything. (Btw, taking the Algebra based). 🙂
 
Ugh, I'm stuck at this decision as well. Registation is coming up and I need to decide which one to take. I took Calc and I did pretty well in it, so which one should I take?

I am a math lover through and through, and I find calc-based physics awesome. However, I felt that algebra based physics worked really well for the MCAT. You are exposed to all of the formulas you will use and need.

Not only does calc-based physics not provide all of the algebra formulas (and rightfully so because calculus is more elegant and makes things easier), but you are solving much more complex problems that may cause you to over-think the relatively simple questions on the MCAT. The MCAT is testing if you can think like a doctor, whereas calc-based physics teaches you how to think like an engineer. While both methods of thought are valuable, it is probably best to be pragmatic.

I would say algebra based physics is the way to go. Your book, homework, and exams will be using formulas and problems very similar to what you will see on the MCAT. Perhaps this does not make the most sense to you and other folks, but I feel it worked out well for me. I ended up with a 12 in PS, so I cannot really complain. 😀
 
Take the algebra based one.
 
I'd take calc based if you can. It is so much more elegant. A lot of the stuff you use in algebra/trig based is derived from calc anyway. Either way when all is said and done there isn't much of a difference between the two. You'll just have a little deeper understanding with calc based because you'll know where stuff comes from instead of just taking equations as is.
 
Take the algebra based one.

For the sake of Pre-Medical courses, definitely stick with the algebra based Physics.

Unless you are up for a challenge or simply prefer calculus over algebra.

Nevertheless, I am taking Physics algebra based currently and we do touch base upon some calculus concepts, so you are really not missing out on anything, just the concept of magnitudes, spin states, phase changes, vectors - all that jazz you may be looking at through a slightly different window.

Physics Algebra based will do you justice.
 
It depends ...
most students take the Algebra based one , however , Medical school admission is competitive , and you really need to be the best of the best ! so taking a calculus based class can have some good advantages. The MCAT is algebra based, but think about Algebra II and Calculus II , isn't Algebra II a game after taking the Calculus sequence. The same thing for the MCAT physics , the calculus based physics will make the algebra easier on the MCAT than it would be !
BUT ! DON'T TAKE PHYSICS CALC , IF YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T HANDLE IT ... AS I SAID BEFORE ! IT depend 🙂
 
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