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I know most California schools require a BA/BS degree. I found two that didn't... Univ of Cali-San Fran and Univ of Pacific. Is it pretty impossible to get into these schools when you do not have a BS/BA(even though it isn't required) and also havn't finished pre-reqs(will have them done by time school starts next year). I have a good gpa for my first 42 credits that I have done but I still feel like it would be impossible because Im sure they get a lot stronger applicants. Such as people with BS/BA or something to that extent.
 
What is your question...?

Even though BS/BA isn't required...is it still pretty much impossible to get in without one? I know Cali is really competitive so I feel like it would be impossible to get in there without a BS/BA
 
I've only heard of 1 person from these forums, that is attending UoP, without a 4 year degree.
 
Essentially. You'll have to be like one of the five without a degree of all the people entering either of those programs per year. 94-99% have a bachelor or more advanced degree.

So, obviously a good GPA alone isn't gonna cut it.
 
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Even though BS/BA isn't required...is it still pretty much impossible to get in without one? I know Cali is really competitive so I feel like it would be impossible to get in there without a BS/BA

Yes. 😕 It pretty much is if you look at stastical breakdown at how many people got accepted without BS degree. Typically less than 1%.
 
You can try, but it's most likely a waste of your time and money. 42 credits is not that much. I think the ones that do get accepted without a Bachelor's are outstanding candidates - probably 4.0 GPA, have a lot of units, maybe live in an area that doesn't have a local university, have worked as a pharm tech for many years, has great references, etc.
 
You can try, but it's most likely a waste of your time and money. 42 credits is not that much. I think the ones that do get accepted without a Bachelor's are outstanding candidates - probably 4.0 GPA, have a lot of units, maybe live in an area that doesn't have a local university, have worked as a pharm tech for many years, has great references, etc.
42 units ? I missed that part. Yep, 42 units you are green, doubtfully UCSF will look favorably on it. I think like 10 % of our class has masters and even the one person that didn't have a bachelors, had an associates and a hefty number of credits. A significant chunk of the class not only had a BS but double majored, a couple people even triple majored I kid you not. If you want to apply with 42 units, go ahead, but set realistic goals for yourself.
 
Yeah I figured it was basically impossible. Just wanted to double check 🙂
If I end up not getting in anywhere this year I will probably go for a BS then maybe Ill try a school out west
 
Yeah I figured it was basically impossible. Just wanted to double check 🙂
If I end up not getting in anywhere this year I will probably go for a BS then maybe Ill try a school out west

West of Cali? Alaska? Hawaii?
 
Are schools out of Cali easier to get into without a bachelors?
I'm applying to
Midwestern (Az)
Roseman (both Nev and Utah)
Colorado pharmacy school
University of Pacific (Oregon)

I plan on returning to Cali after pharm school. Would I just take the NAPLEX and be licensed in Cali? Or is there another exam I have to take? I ONLY want to be licensed in CALI. Thanks
 
Are schools out of Cali easier to get into without a bachelors?
I'm applying to
Midwestern (Az)
Roseman (both Nev and Utah)
Colorado pharmacy school
University of Pacific (Oregon)

I plan on returning to Cali after pharm school. Would I just take the NAPLEX and be licensed in Cali? Or is there another exam I have to take? I ONLY want to be licensed in CALI. Thanks

You need to pass the NAPLEX and the law exam in whatever state you want to practice in.
 
You need to pass the NAPLEX and the law exam in whatever state you want to practice in.

Not so fast. Some states have additional intern hour requirements as well. NY also has a compounding lab requirement. Other states probably have additional requirements as well.

I don't know the exact details of what CA requires though. :shrug:
 
Does anyone know where I can find the requirements for California?

Edit- I found that they require 1500 hours intern as a pharmacist. Can I do these hours during pharmacy school? I'm a little confused on this.
 
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Does anyone know where I can find the requirements for California?

Edit- I found that they require 1500 hours intern as a pharmacist. Can I do these hours during pharmacy school? I'm a little confused on this.

I dunno about all CA schools, but our school gives you 600 and you must do 900 on your own.
 
I dunno about all CA schools, but our school gives you 600 and you must do 900 on your own.

Do rotations at schools count as the same thing as intern hours? And are we paid during the 1500 hours? Thanks in advance
 
Does anyone know where I can find the requirements for California?

Edit- I found that they require 1500 hours intern as a pharmacist. Can I do these hours during pharmacy school? I'm a little confused on this.

Kansas requires 1500 hours but KU does externships almost all of P4 and it certifies that you received your hours. That way, you can sit for the NAPLEX right after your graduate.
 
Kansas requires 1500 hours but KU does externships almost all of P4 and it certifies that you received your hours. That way, you can sit for the NAPLEX right after your graduate.

You can't take the NAPLEX at all unless you do 1500 hours? Or you can't take NAPLEX if the state you want to be licensed in requires 1500 hours? I am applying to schools that are NOT in California, but I will come back to California after graduating. Some schools do rotations. Is that the same thing as intern hours?

I'm applying to
Midwestern (Az)
Roseman (both Nev and Utah)
Colorado pharmacy school
University of Pacific (Oregon)
 
Not so fast. Some states have additional intern hour requirements as well. NY also has a compounding lab requirement. Other states probably have additional requirements as well.

I don't know the exact details of what CA requires though. :shrug:

True. I'm not sure what Cali requires, but I've heard it is one of the more difficult states...
 
Do rotations at schools count as the same thing as intern hours? And are we paid during the 1500 hours? Thanks in advance

No you are not paid during rotations. :laugh::laugh::laugh: I doubt any professional school pays you during rotations - I have never heard of it in medicine. Why would they pay you ? 😕😕 Thats the purpose of this educational system within health fields - free labor.

On contrary, You will be paying to rotate, so you will be paying the school for allowing you to work. :meanie: an obscene amount of money too.

Rotations are not the same as intern hours. You have to get 900 intern hours on your own outside of school like I mentioned. I dont know how many hours do other schools credit you, but ours does 600 - so 900 is what you are must to get on your own.
 
No you are not paid during rotations. :laugh::laugh::laugh: I doubt any professional school pays you during rotations - I have never heard of it in medicine. Why would they pay you ? 😕😕 Thats the purpose of this educational system within health fields - free labor.

On contrary, You will be paying to rotate, so you will be paying the school for allowing you to work. :meanie: an obscene amount of money too.

Rotations are not the same as intern hours. You have to get 900 intern hours on your own outside of school like I mentioned. I dont know how many hours do other schools credit you, but ours does 600 - so 900 is what you are must to get on your own.

I see. Sorry for the dumb questions as I am new to this process. Are those 900 hours difficult to get? or not really since you are working for free. I plan on starting these hours my first year of pharmacy school.
 
I see. Sorry for the dumb questions as I am new to this process. Are those 900 hours difficult to get? or not really since you are working for free. I plan on starting these hours my first year of pharmacy school.

No, you keep misunderstanding. You work through your rotations at school - they are part of your education and education gives you 600. Nine hundred are totally separate, you have to get them on your own through internship, does that make sense ? Whether you get paid depends on where you are and what sort of position you find and where you choose to work.

I work at one hell of a clinic but I am not getting paid for my internship, I got offered a paid retail position but turned it down for personal reasons. I am very happy at my job. On the other hand, classmate of mine works at walgreens and obviously gets paid. We both get intern hours, but two strikingly different experiences. Does this make sense ?
 
No, you keep misunderstanding. You work through your rotations at school - they are part of your education and education gives you 600. Nine hundred are totally separate, you have to get them on your own through internship, does that make sense ? Whether you get paid depends on where you are and what sort of position you find and where you choose to work.

I work at one hell of a clinic but I am not getting paid for my internship, I got offered a paid retail position but turned it down for personal reasons. I am very happy at my job. On the other hand, classmate of mine works at walgreens and obviously gets paid. We both get intern hours, but two strikingly different experiences. Does this make sense ?

Yes now it makes sense. I appreciate all your help this has cleared up a lot of confusion.
 
No, you keep misunderstanding. You work through your rotations at school - they are part of your education and education gives you 600. Nine hundred are totally separate, you have to get them on your own through internship, does that make sense ? Whether you get paid depends on where you are and what sort of position you find and where you choose to work.

I work at one hell of a clinic but I am not getting paid for my internship, I got offered a paid retail position but turned it down for personal reasons. I am very happy at my job. On the other hand, classmate of mine works at walgreens and obviously gets paid. We both get intern hours, but two strikingly different experiences. Does this make sense ?

Actually the 900 must be in a pharmacy, the 600 must be "substantially related to the practice of pharmacy" though not necessarily within a pharmacy itself. So this could be in a pharmacy like the 900 hours or in an area that doesn't practice within a standard pharmacy setting e.g. ambulatory care, industry, FDA, etc. They've actually updated the intern hours affidavit to reflect this distinction. If you get 1500 hours while working (and paid) more power to you. I got over 1500 hours of paid internship for mine. It was easier for me because I just went to my employer had them print out my hours for the past 3 years and then had my PIC sign the intern hours affidavit. Your experiential education coordinator would know how signing off intern hours works at your school. USC will sign for the 600 hours obtained during rotations if you provide the documentation of hours on rotation. The other 900 will be signed for by the rotation preceptor if the hours were obtained in a pharmacy itself (LTC, community rotation, hospital pharmacy practice, etc.) We have 6 week rotations at ~40 hours/week would week equal 1440 hours. So it is possible for the school to sign off all of them (I don't know of anyone who was putting in an average of <8hrs/day during rotation).

Hope this wasn't too confusing.
 
Actually the 900 must be in a pharmacy, the 600 must be "substantially related to the practice of pharmacy" though not necessarily within a pharmacy itself. So this could be in a pharmacy like the 900 hours or in an area that doesn't practice within a standard pharmacy setting e.g. ambulatory care, industry, FDA, etc. They've actually updated the intern hours affidavit to reflect this distinction. If you get 1500 hours while working (and paid) more power to you. I got over 1500 hours of paid internship for mine. It was easier for me because I just went to my employer had them print out my hours for the past 3 years and then had my PIC sign the intern hours affidavit. Your experiential education coordinator would know how signing off intern hours works at your school. USC will sign for the 600 hours obtained during rotations if you provide the documentation of hours on rotation. The other 900 will be signed for by the rotation preceptor if the hours were obtained in a pharmacy itself (LTC, community rotation, hospital pharmacy practice, etc.) We have 6 week rotations at ~40 hours/week would week equal 1440 hours. So it is possible for the school to
sign off all of them (I don't know of anyone who was putting in an average of <8hrs/day during rotation).

Hope this wasn't too confusing.


It must be school dependent, which is why I suggested he checks with schools he is interested in, because at our school, rotations count for no hours and rotations preceptor would never sign off of any additional hours outside of those 600 unless you took an elective rotation in a community p, which countrs
for measley 200. Nine hundred is for us to get on our own and they made it clear. :meanie:
 
It must be school dependent, which is why I suggested he checks with schools he is interested in, because at our school, rotations count for no hours and rotations preceptor would never sign off of any additional hours outside of those 600 unless you took an elective rotation in a community p, which countrs
for measley 200. Nine hundred is for us to get on our own and they made it clear. :meanie:

It is state dependent. In FL, 100% of our hours come from our school. It is mandated by the BOP. Suckers. :meanie:
 
It is state dependent. In FL, 100% of our hours come from our school. It is mandated by the BOP. Suckers. :meanie:

Honestly, we are talking about california :meanie: here since the thread is called CALI schools. I am sharing my experience at my school since it is fortunately the only pharmacy I have attended and the only one I know how it operates personally. Obviously, there are differences even within the state if me and farmercyst had such stringkly different experiences.

As for the suckers comment 🙄, I wont even comment. They make everything easy for you guys, but thats why we are still the best in the education department.
 
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Oh snap. :laugh:


You'll like me if you ever meet me. I am a lot less feisty in person and actually come across like a cool dudette. :luck:
 
It is state dependent. In FL, 100% of our hours come from our school. It is mandated by the BOP. Suckers. :meanie:

Yeah, this was a school policy shift that happened just this year at USC. Before that, the experiential coordinator would only sign for the 600, just like SF apparently. Any licensed pharmacist can sign the intern hours affidavit for any hours where they supervised you in the practice of pharmacy or activities substantially related to pharmacy. I'm not sure how SF can prohibit their preceptors from signing your hours off based on the fact that the preceptor has the legal ability to do so.

I agree with Cheb though, if the only experience you have is from school, you are worse off for it. A lot of people will use the FL BOP to excuse them from getting outside experience. The smart ones will get hours on the side to augment education so they can get a glimpse of the "real world" that exists outside academia. (Assuming the BOP allows you to practice as an intern outside school)
 
I agree with Cheb though, if the only experience you have is from school, you are worse off for it. A lot of people will use the FL BOP to excuse them from getting outside experience. The smart ones will get hours on the side to augment education so they can get a glimpse of the "real world" that exists outside academia. (Assuming the BOP allows you to practice as an intern outside school)

Oh I agree completely. I just think it is nice that the required hours are provided for us without any paperwork from us. Anyone who only gets experience from school is going to be pretty far the curve though.
 
So the schools help you get some hours. Is it hard to get internship on your own? I want to start at the beginning of my first year. Will I be to inexperienced too start then?
 
So the schools help you get some hours. Is it hard to get internship on your own? I want to start at the beginning of my first year. Will I be to inexperienced too start then?

For our school, you can start as soon as you get your intern license which is typically a couple months into school. As far as being inexperienced, depends on where you work and what position you find. Some of my friends work at places where they are only interns on paper a d pretty much do techs job. I work at a place where a pharmacist was senile and 90, so I pretty much was up to recently the functioning pharmacist. Fortunately our patient population is pretty easy and nothing second year therapeutics hasnt covered. :xf:
Is that so?

Are you part of the incoming class for 15 ? If so, you'll see. :meanie:
 
Yeah I want to start it asap when I get into school that way I get more familiar with things as I get closer to graduation. I heard experience really helps on the CPJE exam. I'm not sure about the NAPLEX tho.

At the place you work at, would you say your learning more and it will be more beneficial to your learning than what your friends are doing working at Walgreens as basically a "tech" position?
 
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