California Fellows...

[halodoctor]

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Hi, I've been trying to research the programs in California and who they take, but without any luck unfortunately. Aren't the programs supposed to have a page where they list the names of their fellows and which residencies they came from?

I'm applying to medicine and want to have a better idea of which programs match well into cardiology.

Thanks.

 

[Dreemer005]

Delete please

 

[golytlely]

I can tell you that I matched into a competitive Cards spot in SoCal, and for the most part, there wasnt a huge bias to take california people, Most places take one to two fellows from their own program. UCLA-UCLA-harbor, UCSD, UCSF, all took one to two in house. UC is somewhat incestuous, UCSD has taken a UCLA fellow and or UCSF fellow every year for 3 years in addition to their own. Programs are slightly smaller on west coast 3-5 per place, so pretty competitive.
Good luck everyone.

 

[arrhythmia7]

Not sure if I completely agree with the above post by GoLytely. I'm at UCLA, and can tell you that of the 8 people who matched in cards this year, 6 are staying in California (2 at UCLA). I also have friends at UCSF and Stanford, and they are also sending ~10 applicants to cards with well over half staying in California. I believe all but 2 of Cedars' spots last year went to local residents.
Looking at numbers, there are roughly 30-40 fellowship spots in California, so the competition is pretty fierce. My friends from med school who are at top-tier programs outside of the west coast got a few interviews, as opposed to all applicants from my program getting interviews almost everywhere in California. For example, a friend at University of Chicago who is published and quite strong applied to every Ca program except Davis, and only got an interview at Kaiser. Last year during interviews at UCSF and UCLA, the out of state applicants came primarily from MGH/Brigham (almost everyone at UCSF), Hopkins, Columbia, one from UTSW, etc. I have a feeling GoLytely is probably from a top program and was a very strong applicant.

 

[golytlely]

I guess we basically agree. California programs, especially the University of California takes at least half of their fellows from other Cali IM programs or from internally. At UCSD the other non-cali fellows are 1.Columbia 2.Baylor
3.NIH 4.UW

No matter where you apply, people who interview you want to know you have some tie to the area, or research reason to move.

 

[IMbounddoc]

Any advice here would be great. I'm a 4th yr student with my top IM choices at this point Duke, UW, Cedar, UC-I. I want to do my Cards fellowship in Southern Cal, mostly like at UC-I. Which of these programs provided I did well at all of them, etc would be most helpful? Duke is absolutely huge is Cards, but does the East coast thing come into play there? Also UW is west coast, but not Cal, is there still the regional issue there that East coast people face? Thanks.

 

[halodoctor]

Any advice here would be great. I'm a 4th yr student with my top IM choices at this point Duke, UW, Cedar, UC-I. I want to do my Cards fellowship in Southern Cal, mostly like at UC-I. Which of these programs provided I did well at all of them, etc would be most helpful? Duke is absolutely huge is Cards, but does the East coast thing come into play there? Also UW is west coast, but not Cal, is there still the regional issue there that East coast people face? Thanks.

I'm in the same boat, but I can pretty much guarantee that doing Duke or UW will make it harder for you to come back to California. As a medical student rotating around here, I have heard great things about Cedars. If you work your butt off and make the right connections while doing the research, you really put yourself in a place to match somewhere in California, or elsewhere. At the same time, UC-I supposedly takes 2 of its own, which gives you roughly 10% chance right off the bat. I've heard that if you don't match into the home program at Irvine, you have a tough time getting in elsewhere, which is a benefit of the Cedars program.

Hope this helps.

 

[arrhythmia7]

Cedars and UCI are both OK for cards placement in California, but not so great beyond (I have friends at both). I would actually suggest Duke or UW for IM training, as these are much stronger programs. You will be able to get a spot in California if you're a good resident at either of these programs. Your tastes may change in 3 years as well, in which case you will be in a much stronger position nationally at either of these programs.

 

[DJ LACTULOSE]

i just interviewed at harbor for IM residency. this is their cards match list for the past 3 years:

2006-2007 – 2 at harbor
2005-2006 – harbor-UCLA, west LA VA
2004-2005 – usc, 2 at harbor, Kaiser sunset

just wondering if this is considered a good cardio match (it's pretty strong compared to other places i've interviewed).

keep in mind that the program is small (17 categoricals per year) and i'm not sure how many people apply to cards from harbor each year. anyone know?

 

[P Diddy]

i just interviewed at harbor for IM residency. this is their cards match list for the past 3 years:

2006-2007 – 2 at harbor
2005-2006 – harbor-UCLA, west LA VA
2004-2005 – usc, 2 at harbor, Kaiser sunset

just wondering if this is considered a good cardio match (it's pretty strong compared to other places i've interviewed).

keep in mind that the program is small (17 categoricals per year) and i'm not sure how many people apply to cards from harbor each year. anyone know?

it's pretty good for a county hospital. i imagine that not too many people are applying - for example, in my program of ~40 residents/year 5-10 apply for cards which is skewed as we have a strong cards program and are an academic center, inflating the number of applicants. if we applied this admittedly crude estimate to harbor, on the high side 2-5 people would be applying for cards; more realistically 2-3. It basically looks like if you go to harbor, as long as you don't suck you'd have a great shot at your own program and some other, local less prestigious programs.

p diddy

 

[Myostatin]

For the two 4th years who posted above, you would do best to choose the strongest IM residency you can get into... i would definitely choose Duke or UW over ceaders or UCI. There are no guarantees of matching in Cali even if you go to cedars or UCI, and if you don't match internally, you may have a hard time matching at all. Duke or UW will likely land you a spot in cali if you do reasonably well there, and will pretty much guarantee you a fellowship somewhere.

 

[lostforever]

it's pretty good for a county hospital. i imagine that not too many people are applying - for example, in my program of ~40 residents/year 5-10 apply for cards which is skewed as we have a strong cards program and are an academic center, inflating the number of applicants. if we applied this admittedly crude estimate to harbor, on the high side 2-5 people would be applying for cards; more realistically 2-3. It basically looks like if you go to harbor, as long as you don't suck you'd have a great shot at your own program and some other, local less prestigious programs.

p diddy

I think it is pretty ridiculous to think that Harbor, an academic program, is a place where people who don't suck can get into. How many cards spots are there in the great state of California? How many nationally recognized cards attendings are currently at Harbor? Someone needs to do some more research or simply limit there comments to facts.