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Over the life span of loan private loans seem to have less protections , however cant say if they will cost more or less just based on interest rate provided in one snap shot.
 
libertyyne said:
Private loans do no not have loan forgiveness, IBR, etc.
Private loans may have early payment fees
Private loans dont get interest subsidized.
Private loans may have VARIABLE interest rates
Private loans cant be consolidated
Private loans may require a co-signer

Over the life span of loan private loans seem to have less protections , however cant say if they will cost more or less just based on interest rate provided in one snap shot.
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I have private loans from undergrad. They suck.
 
pendaflex1 said:
Like Med Ed says CNU preclinical curriculum doesn't harm board prep. In a year, he'll be saying the same thing about our clinical curriculum after our match results.
Just northsplaining.
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Perhaps, although the clinical education piece raises some additional issues. The main purpose of provisional accreditation is for the LCME to approve that the clinical education is satisfactory. New medical schools typically receive provisional accreditation after about the fourth semester of operation. This means that CNU probably should have received provisional accreditation in 2017, but it is currently still listed as preliminary/pending in the LCME directory, and it's almost 2019. Can you comment on this?

Also, the bulk of CNU's clerkships appear to be through Kaiser North and Dignity. While this will not affect the upper classes, a question exists as to what will happen with Kaiser when its own medical school comes online. None of the clerkship sites I am familiar with, particularly inpatient ones, are very willing to blend students from different medical schools. This isn't a particularly unique challenge for CNU, in fact it's the central issue facing medical schools all across the country. But CNU does seem to be in an unfavorable position with respect to Kaiser's interests, unless it is cultivating other clinical sites in the region.

Ultimately it would be fascinating to see CNU's books. Allopathic medical schools are expensive to run, and I think the clinical education ends up being more expensive than most institutions plan for. They therefore end up in a situation where, without significant clinical revenue, alumni giving, philanthropy, or state support, they have to expand their class sizes as rapidly as possible to maximize tuition. But in the process this burdens the clinical education, and therefore makes LCME accreditation inherently tricky.
 
Current M4, just finished up my residency interview season, happy to answer any questions for prospective CNU applicants!
 
leela13 said:
Current M4, just finished up my residency interview season, happy to answer any questions for prospective CNU applicants!
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I remember you from the OG thread! Is yours the first class to graduate?
 
leela13 said:
Current M4, just finished up my residency interview season, happy to answer any questions for prospective CNU applicants!
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How were your residency interviews? Was there any negativity towards CNU that you could feel? What kind of interviews were you and your classmates going on?...Both in specialty and location?
 
Med Ed said:
Perhaps, although the clinical education piece raises some additional issues. The main purpose of provisional accreditation is for the LCME to approve that the clinical education is satisfactory. New medical schools typically receive provisional accreditation after about the fourth semester of operation. This means that CNU probably should have received provisional accreditation in 2017, but it is currently still listed as preliminary/pending in the LCME directory, and it's almost 2019. Can you comment on this?

Also, the bulk of CNU's clerkships appear to be through Kaiser North and Dignity. While this will not affect the upper classes, a question exists as to what will happen with Kaiser when its own medical school comes online. None of the clerkship sites I am familiar with, particularly inpatient ones, are very willing to blend students from different medical schools. This isn't a particularly unique challenge for CNU, in fact it's the central issue facing medical schools all across the country. But CNU does seem to be in an unfavorable position with respect to Kaiser's interests, unless it is cultivating other clinical sites in the region.

Ultimately it would be fascinating to see CNU's books. Allopathic medical schools are expensive to run, and I think the clinical education ends up being more expensive than most institutions plan for. They therefore end up in a situation where, without significant clinical revenue, alumni giving, philanthropy, or state support, they have to expand their class sizes as rapidly as possible to maximize tuition. But in the process this burdens the clinical education, and therefore makes LCME accreditation inherently tricky.
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Kaiser medical school will be in SoCal, so shouldn't impact CNU.
 
Med Ed said:
Not in the short-term, but Kaiser will presumably expand its class in the future, and at some point opening northern clerkship/rotation sites may become attractive.
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It wouldn't surprise me that if Kaiser finds that this model serves them well, that they would open another school.

And we also know that med schools also steal rotations sites from each other, like CNU did from UCD
 
Toutie said:
How were your residency interviews? Was there any negativity towards CNU that you could feel? What kind of interviews were you and your classmates going on?...Both in specialty and location?
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Residency interviews were better than med school interviews, although still exhausting and my suit fit a lot tighter at the end thanks to all those pre-interview dinners! No negativity towards CNU at all, only one interviewer had actually heard of it before haha. Just curiousity. I personally did all but two of my interviews in California just because I want to stay here (although I realllllllly liked one of the out of state ones, so who knows), but a lot of my classmates applied all over. I think pretty much every major specialty represented too, and a fair number of my classmates are going into primary care. This is just my opinion, and we haven’t matched yet so who knows, but I don’t think coming from CNU precluded any of us from getting interviews anywhere. Some of my classmates who are stellar applicants interviewed at top 10 programs. Again, we haven’t matched yet so maybe they won’t want to match students from a new school, but I think if they at least interviewed us it’s a good start. Overall I’m very happy with my experience at CNU; honestly these have been the best 4 years of my life. Prospective applicants are right to be cautious, but I don’t think a decision should be made without talking to someone who actually goes to CNU, especially an upperclassman who has seen the progress the school has made over the past 4 years. If I had blindly trusted SDN when I was making the decision to come here I would have missed out on a great opportunity.

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Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
I had to pay like $250 to register my car every year in CA. I also had to wait for hours just to turn in the form before having to wait a couple of weeks to go back and pick up the plates the first time I got them. And that was with making an appointment. When I registered it in VA, I just walked in, waited about 20 minutes, then paid $91 to register it for 2 years and got my plates at the same appointment. And they were super nice!
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?? I do mine online every year. I haven’t been to the DMV in 15 years. Agree it’s not cheap to register a car in Ca but to me it’s worth it.
 
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Not bad. Some established schools do worse. It’s doing as well as can be expected. Kudos to the administration, faculty and students. They’ve pulled it off.

In my view, it’s a good thing they are shaking things up.


Should you go to a more established or cheaper medical school if you get in? Yes.

Is CNU a legitimate Medical school accomplishing its mission? Yes.

Should premeds consider it? Yes.

Were the doubters wrong? Yes.
 
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nimbus said:
?? I do mine online every year. I haven’t been to the DMV in 15 years. Agree it’s not cheap to register a car in Ca but to me it’s worth it.
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I bought the car in Hawaii and moved to CA, so I had to bring it in.

Also why would it be worth it to keep it registered in CA when I live in a state that charges a fraction of the fee?
 
nimbus said:
Not bad. Some established schools do worse. It’s doing as well as can be expected. Kudos to the administration, faculty and students. They’ve pulled it off.

In my view, it’s a good thing they are shaking things up.


Should you go to a more established or cheaper medical school if you get in? Yes.

Is CNU a legitimate Medical school accomplishing its mission? Yes.

Should premeds consider it? Yes.

Were the doubters wrong? Yes.
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I beg to differ. I have no animus against CNU students, but that match list is about the same as any mediocre DO school's. In other words, the kids who chose CNU thinking that the MD degree would magically open more doors would have had better luck getting into a more competitive specialty with a DO degree.
 
Goro said:
I beg to differ. I have no animus against CNU students, but that match list is about the same as any mediocre DO school's. In other words, the kids who chose CNU thinking that the MD degree would magically open more doors would have had better luck getting into a more competitive specialty with a DO degree.
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Except some of these "less competitive" programs on the west actually have never accepted any DO students and/or have a strong bias against DO students. The school's match list looks comparable to any lower-tier MD school. Cuz no ****, it's a low-tier MD school.

Nimbus summarized it well. To go further, if your goal is dermatology, orthopedics, optho, etc, you obviously should aim for a more established school with connections and substantial research opportunities. If your goal is IM/FM/Peds/Surgery and you hope to stay in California for medical school and possibly residency, this place shouldn't close any doors for you.
 
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SDunkey said:
Except some of these "less competitive" programs on the west actually have never accepted any DO students and/or have a strong bias against DO students. The school's match list looks comparable to any lower-tier MD school. Cuz no ****, it's a low-tier MD school.

Nimbus summarized it well. To go further, if your goal is dermatology, orthopedics, optho, etc, you obviously should aim for a more established school with connections and substantial research opportunities. If your goal is IM/FM/Peds/Surgery and you hope to stay in California for medical school and possibly residency, this place shouldn't close any doors for you.
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I’d add the caveat that even in those less-competitive specialties, matching a top-tier residency is likely out of reach, but you can probably get something mid/low tier (surgery may be an exception, given the number of prelims). If that + the shady loan situation is okay with an applicant, it’s worth considering.
 
differentiating said:
I’d add the caveat that even in those less-competitive specialties, matching a top-tier residency is likely out of reach, but you can probably get something mid/low tier (surgery may be an exception, given the number of prelims). If that + the shady loan situation is okay with an applicant, it’s worth considering.
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I'd consider that fair, particularly for surgery (majority seem on the East, but possibly for family reasons). For IM/Peds/FM/Neuro, all of the California programs are established, solid programs. There are even some that I would consider great or "more competitive" in that list. Particularly, Cedars, Mayo, Michigan, Children's Oakland, UC Irvine, Davis for Peds (great Peds program, average to below average for other specialties).
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
I bought the car in Hawaii and moved to CA, so I had to bring it in.

Also why would it be worth it to keep it registered in CA when I live in a state that charges a fraction of the fee?
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I mean the cost of living in CA is worth it to me.
 
SDunkey said:
I'd consider that fair, particularly for surgery (majority seem on the East, but possibly for family reasons). For IM/Peds/FM/Neuro, all of the California programs are established, solid programs. There are even some that I would consider great or "top-tier" in that list. Particularly, Cedars, Mayo, Children's Oakland, UC Irvine.
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None of the IM/Peds/Neuro programs are ones I'd consider top. CHO is good, but it's not a top peds program - there are quite a few in California alone that are better (UCSF, UCLA, Stanford, CHLA), much less those considered top overall (Boston Children's, CHOP, etc.). Similarly, neuro matches aren't impressive (no UCSF, UCLA, etc.), nor are IM (no MGH, UCSF, etc.). I can't comment on FM.
 
differentiating said:
None of the IM/Peds/Neuro programs are ones I'd consider top. CHO is good, but it's not a top peds program - there are quite a few in California alone that are better (UCSF, UCLA, Stanford, CHLA), much less those considered top overall (Boston Children's, CHOP, etc.). Similarly, neuro matches aren't impressive (no UCSF, UCLA, etc.), nor are IM (no MGH, UCSF, etc.). I can't comment on FM.
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They are still solid established programs, many in very desirable locations. UCSD radiology has always been very competitive. Not sure what you expect from the first graduating class. Do you think Kaiser or UC Riverside will match a bunch of their 1st graduating class to UCSF and MGH?
 
differentiating said:
None of the IM/Peds/Neuro programs are ones I'd consider top. CHO is good, but it's not a top peds program - there are quite a few in California alone that are better (UCSF, UCLA, Stanford, CHLA), much less those considered top overall (Boston Children's, CHOP, etc.). Similarly, neuro matches aren't impressive (no UCSF, UCLA, etc.), nor are IM (no MGH, UCSF, etc.). I can't comment on FM.
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Yeah edited my list. I meant to say great and more competitive; my bad on top-tier. But some of those programs also either historically don't accept DO students or have a bias against them, in response to an earlier comment.
 
nimbus said:
They are still solid established programs, many in very desirable locations. UCSD radiology has always been very competitive. Not sure what you expect from the first graduating class.
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My point is that doors are closed - that doesn't mean that people can't match to decent programs, but they're not top programs per this match list. I just think that we should be honest about the risks/benefits of attending CNU, and potential students can decide for themselves if they're worth it.
 
differentiating said:
My point is that doors are closed - that doesn't mean that people can't match to decent programs, but they're not top programs per this match list. I just think that we should be honest about the risks/benefits of attending CNU, and potential students can decide for themselves if they're worth it.
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No one is saying it’s going to be easy to match at top programs from a brand new medical school. What we are saying is that the inaugural class had respectable matches.
 
We can't be for sure how much of the school's reputation handicapped its student from matching into top programs. Mediocre step scores, away rotations, research, or recommendations could have contributed.
 
nimbus said:
No one is saying it’s going to be easy to match at top programs from a brand new medical school. What we are saying is that the inaugural class had respectable matches.
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The person I was originally responding to used the exact wording I used above, which is misleading (and did originally claim that there were top-tier matches, though they later clarified that that was poor wording). Matches were decent, but not amazing, and what component being a CNU student played into that is unclear.
 
Goro said:
I beg to differ. I have no animus against CNU students, but that match list is about the same as any mediocre DO school's. In other words, the kids who chose CNU thinking that the MD degree would magically open more doors would have had better luck getting into a more competitive specialty with a DO degree.
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Again, I, and many of my classmates, matched into programs that have literally never accepted DO students. Do I think that’s fair? No. But I don’t understand your comparison of my school’s match list to that of a “mediocre DO school”. Objectively speaking, going to a DO school closes more doors for students than going to CNU. And objectively speaking, going to CNU closes more doors for students than going to an established MD school. That said, I predict the CNUCOM class of 2020’s match list will be more impressive than ours.
 
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