Calling all Chem Majors

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This spring will be the end of my sophomore year, and I have not fully dedicated myself to a major yet, (although I am dedicated on Med).

Anyways, I am strong in Science/Math, and will have all my premed req's done at the end of the semester. I am leaning toward chemistry as i find chemistry very interesting and even love orgo. On that note, I was just wondering what was your experience as a Chem major? Any tips? Opinions? Regrets?

Thanks guys-
 
I would say I enjoyed it. O Chem was definitely my favorite chem class. Part of me wishes I would have been a math or bio major, but I feel like I'll get plenty of bio in med school, and more along the lines of what I like (I'm not really interested in ornithology, etc.). Overall I had a good experience with my major.

As far as tips go, not every teacher expects/wants the same things! For some reason I was very stubborn when it came to this. I approached all my classes the same way, and would get pissed off if one of my profs graded a test differently than another one would have. So I had to get over that, and realize every professor is different.
 
There is more to chem than you might expect. Will you be willing to learn and enjoy inorganic, physical, and other chem courses?

Although I dread studying for chem, I would not change my major to anything else.
I'm also doing a dual major with a much easier biological sci. Learning about bacteria and viruses gave me much different satisfaction, compared to studying chemical reactions, subatomic particles, and functions that govern everything (at least in this universe).

I'd say go for it! Be aware, however, that it is more difficult to get jobs after graduation than some other majors, should you decide not to go to med school.
 
They don't call it sadistical mechanics for nothin'. :meanie:

My only regret was I didn't double major in math.

Have fun!
 
I'm not a Chemistry major, but I'm a Biochemistry major so I thought I'd throw my two cents in. Just make sure you really know what you're getting yourself into when you pick a certain major. I personally loved Organic Chemistry, but Physical Chemistry wasn't my style at all. I managed, and you will too if it's a major you really want to be in, but just make sure you've explored your options.
 
Browse over lecture notes for courses you'd like to take. I enjoyed gen chem and quant analysis (although quant. was boring), but struggled through organic I. After looking through topics covered in typical classes like p-chem, instrumental analysis, biochem, etc., I decided to switch because none of them interested me.
 
I'm not sure what courses you've taken so far (assuming Gen Chem and Orgo with maybe some biochem). I've completed my bio major and I'm working on a degree in Chem with enough credits for a Math minor. For me, each science subject has been its own beast.

  • Bio is memorization intensive with sparse accounts of concepts (nearly zero computation unless you go into biometrics or bioinformatics maybe).

  • Chem is mostly conceptualization with memorization (biochem) and computation here and there (see physical chem and physical biochem).

  • Physics and Math is, of course, computation intensive with the side result of conceptualization. Any good student with leave with scant memorization.

Like previous posters, if you truly enjoy chemistry, it seems like you're on track to major in it. I'm not sure what your process has been in "leaning towards chemistry" but it seems like you're on the right track to figuring out whose slave you want to be for the next two years.

Best of luck! 👍
 
it's good to do what you like, but keep in mind that maybe you will not go directly to med school either because of some reason. Since you also are strong in math, keep in consideration for a more useful major.

the job market has more positions for mathematics than does for a specific science; that is, unless you decide to or qualify for some NIH or lab position.
 
it's good to do what you like, but keep in mind that maybe you will not go directly to med school either because of some reason. Since you also are strong in math, keep in consideration for a more useful major.

the job market has more positions for mathematics than does for a specific science; that is, unless you decide to or qualify for some NIH or lab position.

My chemistry adviser tried convincing me not to switch to applied math because there were "more job opportunities available with a chemistry degree than math" I was all LOLWTF. :laugh:
 
haha yeah, you can do a search as well, but stuff like monster.com and just poking around will give you a pretty good idea. I see many positions that are IT related so mathematics and comp sci majors are definitely a good choice to be if you need some gap year job to save some money or as a backup.
 
Some parts of chemistry were enjoyable (organic chemistry, physical chemistry, quantum chemistry); others were awful (biochemistry, quantitative analysis lab). If you enjoy the subject and can handle the material go for it; if you need to take classes that will be too challenging or too dreadful, major in something else (maybe minor in chem?)...
 
I initially enrolled in college expecting to enjoy Biology much more than Chemistry, but it turned out to be the other way around. Either of them are great pre-med majors, but it sounds like you're the type of person that will enjoy Chem more. Biology seems to take several years before the concepts all tie together into a big picture, whereas in Chemistry you learn the concepts first in GChem and then take what are essentially intro classes in all of the major fields of chemistry (analytical, physical, organic, inorganic, etc). It keeps things interesting. IMO every upper division class in Biology seems to keep teaching you the same stuff.
 
Some parts of chemistry were enjoyable (organic chemistry, physical chemistry, quantum chemistry); others were awful (biochemistry, quantitative analysis lab). If you enjoy the subject and can handle the material go for it; if you need to take classes that will be too challenging or too dreadful, major in something else (maybe minor in chem?)...

You're an MD/PhD student that hated Biochem?
 
I initially enrolled in college expecting to enjoy Biology much more than Chemistry, but it turned out to be the other way around. Either of them are great pre-med majors, but it sounds like you're the type of person that will enjoy Chem more. Biology seems to take several years before the concepts all tie together into a big picture, whereas in Chemistry you learn the concepts first in GChem and then take what are essentially intro classes in all of the major fields of chemistry (analytical, physical, organic, inorganic, etc). It keeps things interesting. IMO every upper division class in Biology seems to keep teaching you the same stuff.

This reminds me alot of my situation. I have pretty much committed to Chemistry, and am really excited about it, so I know I made the right choice.

Any specific experiences or tips to succeed?
 
This reminds me alot of my situation. I have pretty much committed to Chemistry, and am really excited about it, so I know I made the right choice.

Any specific experiences or tips to succeed?

I'm going to recommend tutoring. Explaining things to others helps reinforce the concepts in your own mind extremely well, and it also helps you identify your own weak areas. It also has the added bonus of strengthening your application a bit.

And don't wait until you've finished a course, either. If you're a good student, join study groups and help teach your classmates.
 
It burns a lot out of you. I wouldn't recommend it unless you truly enjoy learning chemistry. Orgo wasn't too bad compared to P Chem, which feels like the 10th stage of Dante's Inferno.
 
I had a great time as a dual major in chemistry and physics. It's all about your particular interests.

My one recommendation would be- take whatever "exotic" science classes are offered in your chem department. I took a physical chemistry of enzymes class that was tons of fun, and an advanced NMR class that was randomly offered one year. Don't let these interesting classes slip by, they were crucial for me alongside the exciting but standard classes of general, organic, physical and biological chem.
 
It burns a lot out of you. I wouldn't recommend it unless you truly enjoy learning chemistry. Orgo wasn't too bad compared to P Chem, which feels like the 10th stage of Dante's Inferno.

PChem is a huge part of the reason I picked Chem; it answered questions I've had since I was six. I'm fairly sure it's been my favorite class so far.
 
PChem is a huge part of the reason I picked Chem; it answered questions I've had since I was six. I'm fairly sure it's been my favorite class so far.

What questions would those be? I'm 1 class away from a chemistry minor so I might as well take one...maybe pchem?
 
What questions would those be? I'm 1 class away from a chemistry minor so I might as well take one...maybe pchem?

Mostly dealing with quantum mechanics. I was always curious how stuff actually worked.

Depending on where you take it, the first quarter/semester of pchem might be mostly thermodynamics and phase diagrams, which isn't nearly as interesting IMO.
 
I started in Art...moved to Bio due b/c I missed science. Then found myself in Chem. I absolutedly hated chem in high school so it is kind of crazy I have a degree in it.

I loved organic chemistry 😍. After the memorization of Orgo I reactions, Orgo 2 was a breeze. For some reason it just made sense to me and I did really really well.

The other thing I like about Chemsitry was the labs because I learn from the hands on approach and I'm just good at those kinds of things. I did very well in these classes altough some of my labs required in depth lab reports that were geared toward learning how to write for publication. Once I learned to write a lab report the classes were very easy for me.

The one class I really struggled with was Thermo. I think it was much more due to the teacher than the material. I like structured and organized classes and he was not that at all and his tests were unpredictible. I did well in Quantum because the teacher was much much better and well organized in her presentation of the material.

Now on to Biochem. This is perhaps the one class that I had to really really study for because of it's difference with other chemistry classes. It relied on memorization than my other chem classes. I enjoyed it, however, and did well.

I really enjoyed the research I did in Chemistry. It was in Inorganic Materials and I got to publish several papers. It was a fantasitic experience and I learned so much and earned a wonderful recommendation! I though about persuing Materials Engineering but Medicine won over.

Honestly I am happy that I went for Chemistry. At one point I regretted that I did not go for Chemical Engineering but now that I am on the Medicine track I feel like I made the right choice. 🙂
 
I had a great time as a dual major in chemistry and physics. It's all about your particular interests.

My one recommendation would be- take whatever "exotic" science classes are offered in your chem department. I took a physical chemistry of enzymes class that was tons of fun, and an advanced NMR class that was randomly offered one year. Don't let these interesting classes slip by, they were crucial for me alongside the exciting but standard classes of general, organic, physical and biological chem.

I agree with this.
 
I started in Art...moved to Bio due b/c I missed science. Then found myself in Chem. I absolutedly hated chem in high school so it is kind of crazy I have a degree in it.

I loved organic chemistry 😍. After the memorization of Orgo I reactions, Orgo 2 was a breeze. For some reason it just made sense to me and I did really really well.

The other thing I like about Chemsitry was the labs because I learn from the hands on approach and I'm just good at those kinds of things. I did very well in these classes altough some of my labs required in depth lab reports that were geared toward learning how to write for publication. Once I learned to write a lab report the classes were very easy for me.

The one class I really struggled with was Thermo. I think it was much more due to the teacher than the material. I like structured and organized classes and he was not that at all and his tests were unpredictible. I did well in Quantum because the teacher was much much better and well organized in her presentation of the material.

Now on to Biochem. This is perhaps the one class that I had to really really study for because of it's difference with other chemistry classes. It relied on memorization than my other chem classes. I enjoyed it, however, and did well.

I really enjoyed the research I did in Chemistry. It was in Inorganic Materials and I got to publish several papers. It was a fantasitic experience and I learned so much and earned a wonderful recommendation! I though about persuing Materials Engineering but Medicine won over.

Honestly I am happy that I went for Chemistry. At one point I regretted that I did not go for Chemical Engineering but now that I am on the Medicine track I feel like I made the right choice. 🙂

Thanks alot for sharing, I really appreciate it! I also plan on doing research, in Organic chemistry though.
 
Thanks alot for sharing, I really appreciate it! I also plan on doing research, in Organic chemistry though.

When I was first looking in to doing research I though I wanted to Organic as well because I was good at it.

In my research I did some organic syntheses to make starting materials to use to make inorganic-organic hybrid materials (basically fancy crystals or crystalline powder if everything went well). Half the time I ended up with a orange, smelly, gooey, thick gel that would not recystallize into anything usable.

And that was a quite basic reaction. Now the grad student who worked in my lab had even more issues to figure out. Water sensitive reactions and light sensitive reactions and what he wanted to do would not always work the way he wanted. And the reactions took so many steps.

I realized then that I did not want to go to grad school and do organic chemistry research. Granted, things don't work always when you are doing novel syntheses but organic seemed way more variable/unpredictable than my materials.

But some people are cut out for organic chemistry research, just not me.

Now the other good thing about inorganic research is that getting publishable results is faster so that means more publications. At least that was how it worked in my lab. Apparently it is the opposite in fields like Biochem (Haven't done biochem research but this is what others have told me). One grad student got to patent a material that they made and researched.

On the other hand, the publications were in less presigious journals focused on Inorganic Chemistry and Materials. Half of what I did was for the sake of doing it under the gise of trying to solve one particular problem. I was trying to make a material that could increase the gas barrier properties of PET with potential applications in bottle manufacturing and tire manufacturing. Did anything I make actually help that problem...no, perhaps it might with years and years of research. But it did provide me a reason for doing it and my materials I made did have desirable qualities for that particular application.

Thats just my two cents anyway.

However, I do wish that I had done a little more research related to the field of medicine/biology but at the time I was more interested in attending grad school than med school.
 
Mostly dealing with quantum mechanics. I was always curious how stuff actually worked.

Depending on where you take it, the first quarter/semester of pchem might be mostly thermodynamics and phase diagrams, which isn't nearly as interesting IMO.

Yeah I had thermo for one semester and kinetics/quantum mechanics the next.
 
Went through it and it was worth it.

After I suffered through PChem the whole thing became a lot easier. I personally started to love the nano-chem program and analytical chemistry. You may have to dredge through some menial/uninteresting work at the start but once you get to electives (if you do love chemistry) you'll find something that fits 🙂
 
You're an MD/PhD student that hated Biochem?

Yes, I am. Rote memorization drives me crazy most of the time (prof skipped over a lot of the physical properties underlying mechanisms in favor of memorizing facts and lists), and my research focuses on mathematical biology/application of mathematical physics 🙂
 
Lil Mick: You have described in so many words one of my biggest dreams... mathematical biology and MD/PhD. Where, how, why and how much?

Seriously though, what do you research? Was it hard to find an MD/PhD program with such a research opportunity?
 
I just read most of the posts, and I find my self liking Orgo I alot. Seems to be my favorite chem class so far. I hated Gen Chem I and II.

OP- I am also in my second year and I have to choose a major by the end of this year. I am thinking I announce Bio yet take a few additional chem classes, probably inorganic, and maybe physical
The way I see it, maybe I can major in biochem, or Major in bio, minor in chem. or other way around.
The thing that scares me is, I spoke to a Chem a major and he said that the rest of the chem classes arent like Orgo, and I dont like gen chem classes. I am not sure how true that is, but its sort of scary.
 
This spring will be the end of my sophomore year, and I have not fully dedicated myself to a major yet, (although I am dedicated on Med).

Anyways, I am strong in Science/Math, and will have all my premed req's done at the end of the semester. I am leaning toward chemistry as i find chemistry very interesting and even love orgo. On that note, I was just wondering what was your experience as a Chem major? Any tips? Opinions? Regrets?

Thanks guys-

I was similar to you as well (I'm a senior in college right now). I took AP Chemistry in high school my senior year and loved it. I knew is was better at the sciences than a lot of my peers so I decided I would major in chemistry. Another reason I majored in chemistry is because I love to find out how the world works. As I went on, I found out that chemistry wasn't satisfying my curiosity. I loved organic chemistry as well, but classes like organic chemistry weren't satisfying my curiosity about the physical world. I then attempted to learn some physics on my own; I did this in hopes to get better answers. That didn't work because I wanted to go deeper and I didn't have the proper math background. I am now doing a lot of philosophy, and I mean A LOT ha ha. I still think a chemistry major was my best choice though (taking GPA into consideration) because a lot of the philosophy classes require papers, and writing isn't my strongest point. But I wish I would've double majored in philosophy (or English literature for that matter) and chemistry.

Hope that gives you some perspective on my feelings about chemistry. I still love it, in case I wasn't clear.
 
I'm gonna go against the grain and suggest biochem over chem. There are more useless classes in chem than the biochem tracks.

This wouldnt allow me to utalize my math skills to keep GPA High. Ive never gotten lower than a 97 in a math or Q course. Biochem majors have to take a 5 credit class at my school, that is known to be utterly destructive. As a normal chem major, I can take the normal 3 credit biochem. I also am not a fan of pure memorization courses, i like more conceptual courses- with problem solving involved.
I have thought about this though.
 
i just have to say that i was a chem major and I had the best time ever! i really enjoy chemistry (not really ochem tho... more pchem) and I loved having 4 years to study chemistry.. so, if you like the subject and it's something that kinda makes sense to you, or clicks as it did for me, then you may have a nice time. also provided you have a good chemistry department.
 
Lil Mick: You have described in so many words one of my biggest dreams... mathematical biology and MD/PhD. Where, how, why and how much?

Seriously though, what do you research? Was it hard to find an MD/PhD program with such a research opportunity?

I didn't figure out what I wanted to do until I had graduated from college (did my senior thesis in a related area at the urging of my thesis advisor), so I'm not exactly sure where the best place to look would be. I know MUSC, U Minnesota (highly ranked mathematics department), UIC, U Florida, and University of Chicago allow you to enter biostatistics/mathematics (some smaller schools, too). Epidemiology is another good field--lots of opportunities to learn statistics and the mathematics of population health... I'm still deciding on what PhD department would best serve this (lots of mathematics opportunities but also a focus on biology)...

I'm looking at population health right now and hoping to delve into modelling biophysics/population genetics if I have the opportunity to do such (and a post-doc in biomathematics). My favorite applications thus far are Bayesian statistics, Markov chains, and Lotka-Volterra equation relationships 🙂

I don't have a mathematics background per se, but I've taught myself quite a bit of math and have been picking it up in the mathematics department colloquia/workshops for the past year or so (Dover puts out a wonderful, comprehensive series on just about any area of math or physics you could want to learn!)...

Send me a message if you want to talk about it further 🙂
 
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