Can a DPT work as a PTA?

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Hi, I'm not sure if I will get a better response here or the physical therapy forums.

I am a current SPT, and I will be graduating soon. I was wondering after obtaining a DPT and license, if it would be possible to work as a PTA vs a DPT. Basically I only perform follow ups and do not do evals and follow the original plan of care set out by the DPT.

I heard that it is possible if you just negotiate with the employer so that you can do PTA work for PTA pay, but I was wondering if there were any legal ramifications. Mainly I am doing this because I rather spend time working with patients, and don't want to spend unpaid hours performing significant loads of paperwork at the end of an 8 hour day.

Do you guys know of any DPTs that do this?

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Hi, I'm not sure if I will get a better response here or the physical therapy forums.

I am a current SPT, and I will be graduating soon. I was wondering after obtaining a DPT and license, if it would be possible to work as a PTA vs a DPT. Basically I only perform follow ups and do not do evals and follow the original plan of care set out by the DPT.

I heard that it is possible if you just negotiate with the employer so that you can do PTA work for PTA pay, but I was wondering if there were any legal ramifications. Mainly I am doing this because I rather spend time working with patients, and don't want to spend unpaid hours performing significant loads of paperwork at the end of an 8 hour day.

Do you guys know of any DPTs that do this?
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"Significant loads of paperwork"? If you're efficient you can work most of it into an 8-hour day. Maybe 30 min tacked onto the end of your day or during lunch.

I don't know any PTs who work as PTAs. Maybe some foreign-trained PTs who failed our exam multiple times and decided to go to PTA school. But I've never met anyone who went through PT school and decided to become a PTA.

Hate to break it to you, but PTAs also have paperwork. It's unavoidable.
 
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Work inpatient acute as a PT to avoid excessive paper work in my experience.
 
"Significant loads of paperwork"? If you're efficient you can work most of it into an 8-hour day. Maybe 30 min tacked onto the end of your day or during lunch.

I don't know any PTs who work as PTAs. Maybe some foreign-trained PTs who failed our exam multiple times and decided to go to PTA school. But I've never met anyone who went through PT school and decided to become a PTA.

Hate to break it to you, but PTAs also have paperwork. It's unavoidable.

The PTAs at my outpatient ortho only had to perform daily notes, which... if including mutitasking patients and working through their lunch period were able to leave close to 15-20 mins after their 8 hour day with all their paperwork done. However, the therapist on the other hand had to spend 1-2 hours daily after work to finish up their paperwork depending on the number of evals, in addition to the the number of documents that had to be signed because they were assigned to PTAS. If they were behind, they normally took it upon themselves to stay 2-3 hours on a given friday to finish it up unpaid.

I understand that even given the extra number of hours unpaid, overall pay is still higher as a DPT (just barely actually given the number of hours spent vs paid time). However, my personal time (time with family, children, and personal health) far outweighs any additional pay afforded.
 
Why would you want this?

If you are licensed as a PT, everything you do falls under this umbrella.
 
The PTAs at my outpatient ortho only had to perform daily notes, which... if including mutitasking patients and working through their lunch period were able to leave close to 15-20 mins after their 8 hour day with all their paperwork done. However, the therapist on the other hand had to spend 1-2 hours daily after work to finish up their paperwork depending on the number of evals, in addition to the the number of documents that had to be signed because they were assigned to PTAS. If they were behind, they normally took it upon themselves to stay 2-3 hours on a given friday to finish it up unpaid.

I understand that even given the extra number of hours unpaid, overall pay is still higher as a DPT (just barely actually given the number of hours spent vs paid time). However, my personal time (time with family, children, and personal health) far outweighs any additional pay afforded.
Do not allow your limited experience to give you such a skewed outlook on work-life balace. You can either develop a system that allows you to complete your paperwork on time, or find a position that does not overbook their therapists. If a therapist is working 1-3 hours over their paid time, something is wrong.
 
Agreed. At my job we are expected to prioritize our patients and avoid, or at least limit, overtime. 80 hours/pay period. We have 8 hours/day to see our patients and complete documentation. Having 1-2 hours of overtime/pay period is OK...but if you have any more than that, ESPECIALLY if your productivity is "meh", you're going to get a "friendly email" reminding you to manage your time and offering to assist you with ways to improve time mgmt.

Maybe you should consider settings/facilities where you are an hourly employee. Your manager will be pushing you out the door to avoid overtime.
 
Physical Therapy Assistant is a licensed occupation. I checked in Minnesota, and you need to graduate from a licensed PTA program, and pass the NPTE for physical therapy assistants. One of the 'similar threads' below says that you can take the PTA exam in Texas as a graduate of a DPT program., so it may be state specific. The way to know would be to check their state PT boards.
 
I know several OT's who graduated from MSOT programs who now work as COTA's because of the same reasons you described. Maybe this also can be done for PT's.
 
To be a PTA, you need to graduate as a PTA. A doctor can't be a nurse, and a PT can't be a PTA. You have to go for the degree of what you want to be. PT's are so in need it wouldn't make sense for someone who has their doctorate to not use it and try to take the easier way out.
In my experience, I have had 4 clinics I worked out where the PT always got out on time... Seeing that the PT's made their schedules and did notes as they were working with their patients. My PTA's schedules were fully controlled by the PT's who owner the place. The PTA's only started the basis of notes while working with the patients and my PTA's were always the ones who spent their entire hour lunches finishing morning notes, or sometimes starting, and then they always had to stay 1-2 hours after to finish the evening notes. It's really about how organized you are, how much time you spend with patients during their session, and how many patients you have per hour. In pediatric facilities, you only have one person per hour, compared to adult PT where PT's can oversee multiple patients within an hour and don't have to be by the patients side at all times so they can perform notes, pediatrics you are by the kids sides 100% of the time. In peds you typically have people call out when kids get sick or parents have scheduling errors so you might get an opening here and there which are typically either half hour or hour long sessions where ou can perform your notes, plus a lunch. In the adult setting such as workers compensation, the adults can be told what to do, you can use a physical therapy assistant to watch over them and go through their exercises after you've completed modalities, and you can do your notes as you go. You just have to know where you want to work and how you want to do it. There are also PT's who only work 2-3 days a week. That leaves plenty of time for family time and probably equals your pay time of being a PTA 4-5 days a week.
 
I understand that even given the extra number of hours unpaid, overall pay is still higher as a DPT (just barely actually given the number of hours spent vs paid time). However, my personal time (time with family, children, and personal health) far outweighs any additional pay afforded.

Obviously pay varies by specialty, setting, region of the country, years of experience, etc. But for the purposes of this discussion: according to the BLS, the median annual pay for a physical therapist assistant in the U.S. is $55,000, and for a physical therapist it is $84,000. So the 50th percentile PT makes 53% more than the 50th percentile PTA overall. If both individuals were salaried at 40hr/wk, for them to be making the same hourly rate with the PTA working exactly 40 hours, the PT would have to be working 61.3 hours per week. It is highly, highly unlikely that you are going to do over 20 hours a week of unpaid work as a PT. If you did it would only be because you were an absolute fool for working a job that required that. And just because you've seen a therapist who stays 3 hours late to do paperwork regularly, doesn't mean they all do. Don't work in a corporate patient mill if you don't want this.

If you take on the debt that is required to become a PT and then work for PTA pay, there is something seriously wrong with your financial planning ability. If you are happy to do the work of a PTA and have the pay of a PTA, WHY NOT JUST ENROLL IN A PTA PROGRAM?!? They are only 2 years, and they are like 1/10th the cost of a DPT.

I really don't understand this question at all to be honest...maybe there is something more to it that I am missing...
 
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I know several OT's who graduated from MSOT programs who now work as COTA's because of the same reasons you described. Maybe this also can be done for PT's.

To me this would only make sense if you had zero student loan debt. And even then it doesn't really make sense...did people really enroll in OT school without knowing that OTs do a crapload of paperwork??
 
Do you want to work full time? If not, you could certainly work PRN or negotiate a job where you work 3 days a week or something like that. Maybe a shorter work week would feel like a better balance for you. I would also try a few different settings too before you settle on a final place of employment. At my current clinical, the PTs and PTAs fill out the same type of notes....same form, same type of write up. Sure, the PTs do evals and discharges but those forms take *maybe* 5-10 mins more for me to do than a regular treatment session (and for experience clinicians, they can likely complete the eval form in the same time as the treatment form). So, in the setting I'm in, there is no real time difference between PT and PTA notes.
 
^^^Working 3 days a week PRN as a PT would actually pay slightly more than working full-time as a PTA probably, and you would have way more time off. No benefits though...and might not always get 3 days, and might have to work weekends. Still would be a PTA income level with a lot less hours each week. Alternatively get a part time job as a PT and still make about what a full time PTA makes.

Although if that is your desired level of income and you aren't interested in doing the things that are actually unique to PTs (eg evals) you might as well just go to a PTA program. Going $100k into debt to earn the same amount you could be by going $20k into debt still doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
Obviously pay varies by specialty, setting, region of the country, years of experience, etc. But for the purposes of this discussion: according to the BLS, the median annual pay for a physical therapist assistant in the U.S. is $55,000, and for a physical therapist it is $84,000. So the 50th percentile PT makes 53% more than the 50th percentile PTA overall. If both individuals were salaried at 40hr/wk, for them to be making the same hourly rate with the PTA working exactly 40 hours, the PT would have to be working 61.3 hours per week. It is highly, highly unlikely that you are going to do over 20 hours a week of unpaid work as a PT. If you did it would only be because you were an absolute fool for working a job that required that. And just because you've seen a therapist who stays 3 hours late to do paperwork regularly, doesn't mean they all do. Don't work in a corporate patient mill if you don't want this.

If you take on the debt that is required to become a PT and then work for PTA pay, there is something seriously wrong with your financial planning ability. If you are happy to do the work of a PTA and have the pay of a PTA, WHY NOT JUST ENROLL IN A PTA PROGRAM?!? They are only 2 years, and they are like 1/10th the cost of a DPT.

I really don't understand this question at all to be honest...maybe there is something more to it that I am missing...


I made the mistake of enrolling into a DPT program and I am almost finished. I didn't know there was such a large disparity between the amount of time spent on paperwork vs a PTA. It is funny that you are using median percentiles, which really does not apply to a person's unique situation. Also I live in a urban city in Northern California, so I know that 84k is sure as hell not the median around here for an entry level, it is more like 65k. Especially for that of outpatient. Yes, it was a horrible financial mistake to go to PT school. That seems to be also the case with a lot of the therapists I worked with. I would highly recommend avoiding PT school, unless it was the absolute NUMBER ONE thing in the world you couldn't live without. That seems to be what it takes to want to stay in the profession.

You don't do PT school for the money, cause there simply isn't much money in it. I did it because I was passionate about treating patients, but instead I can't keep up with the busy fastfood fryer lifestyle of juggling paperwork and patients while somehow still finding time to use the restroom (which I barely have time for).


Do not allow your limited experience to give you such a skewed outlook on work-life balace. You can either develop a system that allows you to complete your paperwork on time, or find a position that does not overbook their therapists. If a therapist is working 1-3 hours over their paid time, something is wrong.


I have interned in 2 different out patient facilities and was a physical therapist aide in a 3rd one. In both clinical facilities the PTs had over stayed 1-2 hours after work to finish up paperwork unpaid, the ones who left early (or on time) had to bring their paperwork home and did it there. None of the PTAs had this issue. As a PT aide I over looked the amount of documentation the PTs had to do, but thinking back it wasn't any different.

All therapist in the clinics I worked at were fully booked for their 8 hour shift minus 1 hour of lunch. Most of them arrived half an hour early to get ready for their evals of the day in addition to an avg of 1-2 hours afterwards for documentation. These were not POPs clinics, nor were they corporation. They were privately owned clinics by treating physical therapists. In all the clinics I worked at, NONE of the PTs ever got out on time, and when I suggested it to my supervisor she told me leaving on time as a therapist is a completely unrealistic goal and she knows of no therapist that doesn't ATLEAST spend a minimum of 30 mins after work to finish paperwork.

While some if you guys cite a few clinics that aren't like this, they are anomalies to me, an exception to the rule. I hope you enjoy it now, because the future of physical therapy from my point of view is that it is going to get a lot worst with insurance reimbursements.

A lot of you guys are saying none of this makes any sense. Yet, you guys really don't give any good reasons as to why it would make sense to be spending tremendous amount of unpaid hours outside of work performing paperwork when PTAs don't do the same. Money is less important to me right now. Time spent with paid working hours is a lot important to me including my own personal health (how many PTs actually have time to go to the gym? they have to SCRAP time for something like that). Most PTs are overworked and underpaid, while most PTAs simply aren't for the amount of time they spend working to the amount of time they actually get paid for.
 
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I made the mistake of enrolling into a DPT program and I am almost finished. I didn't know there was such a large disparity between the amount of time spent on paperwork vs a PTA. It is funny that you are using median percentiles, which really does not apply to a person's unique situation. Also I live in a urban city in Northern California, so I know that 84k is sure as hell not the median around here for an entry level, it is more like 65k. Especially for that of outpatient. Yes, it was a horrible financial mistake to go to PT school. That seems to be also the case with a lot of the therapists I worked with. I would highly recommend avoiding PT school, unless it was the absolute NUMBER ONE thing in the world you couldn't live without. That seems to be what it takes to want to stay in the profession.

You don't do PT school for the money, cause there simply isn't much money in it. I did it because I was passionate about treating patients, but instead I can't keep up with the busy fastfood fryer lifestyle of juggling paperwork and patients while somehow still finding time to use the restroom (which I barely have time for).





I have interned in 2 different out patient facilities and was a physical therapist aide in a 3rd one. In both clinical facilities the PTs had over stayed 1-2 hours after work to finish up paperwork unpaid, the ones who left early (or on time) had to bring their paperwork home and did it there. None of the PTAs had this issue. As a PT aide I over looked the amount of documentation the PTs had to do, but thinking back it wasn't any different.

All therapist in the clinics I worked at were fully booked for their 8 hour shift minus 1 hour of lunch. Most of them arrived half an hour early to get ready for their evals of the day in addition to an avg of 1-2 hours afterwards for documentation. These were not POPs clinics, nor were they corporation. They were privately owned clinics by treating physical therapists. In all the clinics I worked at, NONE of the PTs ever got out on time, and when I suggested it to my supervisor she told me leaving on time as a therapist is a completely unrealistic goal and she knows of no therapist that doesn't ATLEAST spend a minimum of 30 mins after work to finish paperwork.

While some if you guys cite a few clinics that aren't like this, they are anomalies to me, an exception to the rule. I hope you enjoy it now, because the future of physical therapy from my point of view is that it is going to get a lot worst with insurance reimbursements.

A lot of you guys are saying none of this makes any sense. Yet, you guys really don't give any good reasons as to why it would make sense to be spending tremendous amount of unpaid hours outside of work performing paperwork when PTAs don't do the same. Money is less important to me right now. Time spent with paid working hours is a lot important to me including my own personal health (how many PTs actually have time to go to the gym? they have to SCRAP time for something like that). Most PTs are overworked and underpaid, while most PTAs simply aren't for the amount of time they spend working to the amount of time they actually get paid for.
Where in Northern California? I'm in the SF Bay Area. I also did all of my rotations in the area. 1 acute, 1 hospital OP, 1 acute rehab, 1 private OP. My CI's never stayed later than their shift time with the exception of private OP, and even that was seldom (they use WebPT, charting is quick). Oh, anecdotes...

The solution is simple. Work at a setting or facility that is more your pace. They're out there. During interviews, ask about average daily patient loads, aide utilization, expected productivity, and anticipated shift hours.

If you accept $65k entry-level salary for NorCal, please stop by and let us know where this is so that future prospects can avoid that facility like the plague. Everyone I know started at ~$80k, +/- some. Some make a significant more now that we're almost 1 year out.

If you're dead set on being a PTA, and somehow find a facility that will accomodate, just keep in mind that your liability level remains that of a PT.

CA is one of the few states that 'may' allow you to challenge the PTA exam, via 'equivalency'. As an SPT, you have already met the academic portion, but CA wants 500 hours inpatient working experience. See here: http://www.ptbc.ca.gov/applicants/pta_equiv_app.shtml
 
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Because whereas you've worked with 4 PT offices that you've seen what your are seeing, I've worked, volunteered, and done my internships for undergraduate at more than 24 locations, and these other members on the opposing side of your thoughts have worked at many more as well. All of which if anyone stayed late, it was actually the PTA's more so than the PTs. At some of my clinics, if you stayed late you got paid for those hours or some clinics will schedule you an extra hour where you have a clear in the schedule for possible last minute inserts where everyone gets their notes finished. For PT's and PTA's at all my sites, they filled out the same paperwork. Only difference is the PT would review the PTA's notes to make sure they were done correct (easy 10-20 minute process depending on how many PTAs you have, which was still on the clock)and obviously do things like evals which are done during the hour of evaluation. I have worked in multiple states from Ohio, Florida, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Indiana, Tennessee, and Kentucky, whereas it seems that you have solely been located in one general vicinity being a part of California. Like said before, the different settings have different paperwork. How many patients you have during one hour can vary greatly among settings, if you only have one patients an hour and work per day 9-5 , you can have 7 patients at MOST in a day. If you're in a sports PT facility, you can see 3 patients per hour instead of the 1. So your facility matters on your notes. When you have more patients an hour, you typically have your PTAS do all the work after evaluations and the work you wish to do, some patients you may want to work more 1-on-1 with than others who know what they are doing and have been there for a while. That means you have that entire time to personally evaluate your patients and do their notes while the PTAs are focused watching the patients to make sure how their form is on movements and helping them in their next exercises. PT's on average from my personal experience have more time to do notes than PTAS. PTs have always left on time at my clinics, with the exception of a few times they would leave 30 minutes later than they liked because hey got caught up in conversation. I always stay with the PTAs and would often get out 3-4 hours later than PTs at some locations. So you say there are no good reasons, but everyone has worked in different settings, in different places, and the majority have had experiences that oppose that of yours.
As for time for your health, one location had a garden outside the office, they were the fittest people I've ever met. They got to the office at 8am, worked out for 45 minutes, took a shower (sometimes not), and would start work at 9am. You are at a gym if you work in the right setting. I had another outpatient setting and an inpatient setting where there was a gym affiliated with the center, meaning free gym membership right next door. You can go in an hour early, or an hour late. 18 of my locations had full sized kitchens to cook healthy meals
During the hour break, or you could meal prep meals for a week if there are no local healthy places to eat. Then there are those that got more days off than they wanted working for their company because there is a set amount of hours one can work in a week. They would be told they HAD to go on vacation days if they worked too much in one week (they never were unpaid off the clock.) I would say 85% of PTAs when asked why they aren't PTs stated they couldn't do 3 years of school, they didn't want to pay that much at the time (many which regret it now), or that they didn't get into PT school so they applied for PTA. It's rare to find someone that wants to do PTA but not PT, because most PTAs realize they are more overworked than the PTs and for the price they are charged. I don't want to sound rude, but it is sounding more like your clinics are the "exception to the rule" than all of ours. Try getting out there more and learning a little more, ultimately it's your choice, but there's ways to make what you want to work as a PT, you just have to do your research and find the right places. And maybe it won't be where you want to live, but sacrifices might have to be made to get the hours you want. Best of luck!
 
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Because whereas you've worked with 4 PT offices that you've seen what your are seeing, I've worked, volunteered, and done my internships for undergraduate at more than 24 locations, and these other members on the opposing side of your thoughts have worked at many more as well. All of which if anyone stayed late, it was actually the PTA's more so than the PTs. At some of my clinics, if you stayed late you got paid for those hours or some clinics will schedule you an extra hour where you have a clear in the schedule for possible last minute inserts where everyone gets their notes finished. For PT's and PTA's at all my sites, they filled out the same paperwork. Only difference is the PT would review the PTA's notes to make sure they were done correct (easy 10-20 minute process depending on how many PTAs you have, which was still on the clock)and obviously do things like evals which are done during the hour of evaluation. I have worked in multiple states from Ohio, Florida, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Indiana, Tennessee, and Kentucky, whereas it seems that you have solely been located in one general vicinity being a part of California. Like said before, the different settings have different paperwork. How many patients you have during one hour can vary greatly among settings, if you only have one patients an hour and work per day 9-5 , you can have 7 patients at MOST in a day. If you're in a sports PT facility, you can see 3 patients per hour instead of the 1. So your facility matters on your notes. When you have more patients an hour, you typically have your PTAS do all the work after evaluations and the work you wish to do, some patients you may want to work more 1-on-1 with than others who know what they are doing and have been there for a while. That means you have that entire time to personally evaluate your patients and do their notes while the PTAs are focused watching the patients to make sure how their form is on movements and helping them in their next exercises. PT's on average from my personal experience have more time to do notes than PTAS. PTs have always left on time at my clinics, with the exception of a few times they would leave 30 minutes later than they liked because hey got caught up in conversation. I always stay with the PTAs and would often get out 3-4 hours later than PTs at some locations. So you say there are no good reasons, but everyone has worked in different settings, in different places, and the majority have had experiences that oppose that of yours.
As for time for your health, one location had a garden outside the office, they were the fittest people I've ever met. They got to the office at 8am, worked out for 45 minutes, took a shower (sometimes not), and would start work at 9am. You are at a gym if you work in the right setting. I had another outpatient setting and an inpatient setting where there was a gym affiliated with the center, meaning free gym membership right next door. You can go in an hour early, or an hour late. 18 of my locations had full sized kitchens to cook healthy meals
During the hour break, or you could meal prep meals for a week if there are no local healthy places to eat. Then there are those that got more days off than they wanted working for their company because there is a set amount of hours one can work in a week. They would be told they HAD to go on vacation days if they worked too much in one week (they never were unpaid off the clock.) I would say 85% of PTAs when asked why they aren't PTs stated they couldn't do 3 years of school, they didn't want to pay that much at the time (many which regret it now), or that they didn't get into PT school so they applied for PTA. It's rare to find someone that wants to do PTA but not PT, because most PTAs realize they are more overworked than the PTs and for the price they are charged. I don't want to sound rude, but it is sounding more like your clinics are the "exception to the rule" than all of ours. Try getting out there more and learning a little more, ultimately it's your choice, but there's ways to make what you want to work as a PT, you just have to do your research and find the right places. And maybe it won't be where you want to live, but sacrifices might have to be made to get the hours you want. Best of luck!

Not sure if you meant to reply to me or someone else. Doesn't seem like a response to my post (eg. where did you get the idea that I've only been in 4 PT clinics?)
 
I made the mistake of enrolling into a DPT program and I am almost finished. I didn't know there was such a large disparity between the amount of time spent on paperwork vs a PTA. It is funny that you are using median percentiles, which really does not apply to a person's unique situation. Also I live in a urban city in Northern California, so I know that 84k is sure as hell not the median around here for an entry level, it is more like 65k. Especially for that of outpatient. Yes, it was a horrible financial mistake to go to PT school. That seems to be also the case with a lot of the therapists I worked with. I would highly recommend avoiding PT school, unless it was the absolute NUMBER ONE thing in the world you couldn't live without. That seems to be what it takes to want to stay in the profession.

You don't do PT school for the money, cause there simply isn't much money in it. I did it because I was passionate about treating patients, but instead I can't keep up with the busy fastfood fryer lifestyle of juggling paperwork and patients while somehow still finding time to use the restroom (which I barely have time for).
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As a first year SPT, I'm not going to argue with you on the field (I'll leave that to the more experienced)

However, I will question one simple logic of this post.

You are clearly complaining that PTs don't make enough compared to the debt you've taken in - your solution is that you want to take a job for even less money? Doesn't make a lot of sense.

And as a sidenote, maybe instead of arguing with the more experienced people about how clinics are, maybe you should be asking them for tips on how to find clinics like theirs.
 
Not sure if you meant to reply to me or someone else. Doesn't seem like a response to my post (eg. where did you get the idea that I've only been in 4 PT clinics?)
My bad, my computer was gliching when I pressed reply so it replied on the wrong comment. It was to OP, they said they interned at 2 and aided at 1 location, I gave them an extra location in case they had been somewhere else they didn't mention for benefit of the doubt of their experience! Sorry it replied to yours, I agreed with your post and was referring to you as someone who has various other good experiences as well.
 
As a first year SPT, I'm not going to argue with you on the field (I'll leave that to the more experienced)

However, I will question one simple logic of this post.

You are clearly complaining that PTs don't make enough compared to the debt you've taken in - your solution is that you want to take a job for even less money? Doesn't make a lot of sense.

And as a sidenote, maybe instead of arguing with the more experienced people about how clinics are, maybe you should be asking them for tips on how to find clinics like theirs.


I am mainly complaining that PTs don't make enough compared to the amount of HOURs they spend working (which includes unpaid hours) compared to the amount of paid hours of a PTA. I generally don't care too much about the debt, I care about spending 8 hours of work a day as opposed to being paid 8 hours a day for 10 hours a day of work which doesn't leave much for balance between work and life. For this reason I wish to consider working as a PTA.
 
But again, why not just take a 1/2 time or 3/4 job? Many of the PTs (and PTAs) at the hospital where I'm on clinical just work hourly. 1 PT works 2 days a week, 1 works 3, another works 4. One PT just comes in for 1/2 days here and there because she wants to be home for her kids. I'm trying to understand why something like that won't work for you? I'm considering starting at a 30 hour work week out of school myself as I don't have any loans and my kids are young.
 
I am mainly complaining that PTs don't make enough compared to the amount of HOURs they spend working (which includes unpaid hours) compared to the amount of paid hours of a PTA. I generally don't care too much about the debt, I care about spending 8 hours of work a day as opposed to being paid 8 hours a day for 10 hours a day of work which doesn't leave much for balance between work and life. For this reason I wish to consider working as a PTA.

This just seems lazy to me. Why not try to find a clinic that is structured differently? Plenty of people have commented that they exist, go look.

I mean I personally observed 3 clinics, and they certainly weren't how you described yours
 
I am mainly complaining that PTs don't make enough compared to the amount of HOURs they spend working (which includes unpaid hours) compared to the amount of paid hours of a PTA. I generally don't care too much about the debt, I care about spending 8 hours of work a day as opposed to being paid 8 hours a day for 10 hours a day of work which doesn't leave much for balance between work and life. For this reason I wish to consider working as a PTA.
If you go up 4 posts to my previous post, I meant to tag you in it. I do believe your opinion is very biased off of the 3 locations you have been at in what sound like one small region of California. Everyone is giving you clear answers despite you stating that nobody has given you any good reasons. I don't know what more of good reasons you'd like besides experiences from multiple people, across a broad span of states, across a broad span of sites, where everyone seems to be in agreement that what you describe is not common, and where the legality of how many hours unpaid is not technically allowed and that it seems to be something wrong with the company itself. I have heard of PTAs going back to become PTs (which stunk because they had to go back to school another 3 years) but never what you have describe in our line of work, but the answer is you would have to go to school to get your PTA license. In that case Starrsgirl even provided you with the day-by-day route or pay by hour type wage which you would mostly be doing the same as a PTA but might have evaluations every once in a while. The reason your question wasn't responded to well on the actual PT board is more so because like here, it's doesn't fully make sense because there are more than a minimum of 3 ways to easily accomplish what you state you want. I would suggest reading through everyone's post one more time, doing research and hopefully taking your last clinical somewhere much different, and ask current PTs and PTAs in your area about your concerns and I'm sure they can clear things up very fast. Best of luck!
 
Starting to wonder if this is a poorly executed attempt to troll or if there's an issue with reading comprehension and problem solving.

OP, multiple posters have given you good advice. Despite the suggestions and alternatives (i.e. working part-time as a PT and making more money or maybe the same as a PTA), you seem dead-set on throwing your hands in the air and becoming a PT who works as a PTA. Why? This makes zero sense, especially since you're going to USA.
 
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IF YOU WANT TO BE A PT GO TO PT SCHOOL!!!! IF YOU WANT TO BE A PTA GO TO A PTA SCHOOL!!!!!

I still am not understanding what the difficulty with this concept is... is the OP already in PT school? Do they want the flexibility to be able to do both jobs whenever they feel like it? They've never stated either of these. They've just said the same reasoning over and over which has been thoroughly refuted.
 
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IF YOU WANT TO BE A PT GO TO PT SCHOOL!!!! IF YOU WANT TO BE A PTA GO TO A PTA SCHOOL!!!!!

I still am not understanding what the difficulty with this concept is... is the OP already in PT school? Do they want the flexibility to be able to do both jobs whenever they feel like it? They've never stated either of these. They've just said the same reasoning over and over which has been thoroughly refutes.

"I am a current SPT, and I will be graduating soon."

Still though, their reasoning makes no sense.
 
"I am a current SPT, and I will be graduating soon."

Still though, their reasoning makes no sense.
Ah, my bad. I figured they were pre PT since this is the pre PT forum...forgot to look back at the post

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