Can a man be an OB/GYN? Should he?

[Sink You Fool]

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im a sexual assault survivor and suffer from horrible flashbacks.
ptsd is a bitch

I am also a victim of sexual assault and I am incredibly sad that I have to say that the majority of the women I know have been victims of sexual assault. My experience did not sour me on male doctors, but I ABSOLUTELY see why a women would choose a woman over a man in healthcare concerns.

We are not as past the Mad Men era as people think.

 

[SLC]

I actually enjoyed the Gyn part of our OB/Gyn course in MS2, but I really didn't enjoy the OB part. I'm male and have 3 children, all of which were complicated pregnancies. You'd think I would have liked OB more, and I thought so too, but when it came right down to it, most of it seemed like a real chore.

I'm not interested in Gyn enough to do it over something more medicine-oriented, but the material was interesting.

 

[SnoopyMD]

I am also a victim of sexual assault and I am incredibly sad that I have to say that the majority of the women I know have been victims of sexual assault. My experience did not sour me on male doctors, but I ABSOLUTELY see why a women would choose a woman over a man in healthcare concerns.

We are not as past the Mad Men era as people think.

This presupposes that a female could not or probably will not sexually harass another female. That is absolutely not true.

Also, comparing male OB/GYNs to female urologists becomes problematic when considering gay & lesbian physicians. Is a gay male OB/GYN the equivalent of a lesbian urologist? Do you see how this line of thinking becomes grossly complex and problematic?

I'll be applying to medical school this year, and my interest in OB/GYN came about because of the following:
1) An OB/GYN I shadowed who has become a strong mentor
2) Interest in the surgical procedures and pathologies of the female reproductive system
3) Lots of fellowship pathways (gyn onc, primarily)
4) A social justice component related to women's health care access

So it's perfectly natural for a male to be interested in OB/GYN. He'll be seeing both young and old patients at some point in his career, and whether or not those patients refuse to see him because of his gender is up to them. It doesn't mean he can't have a successful career.

(I like the comparison a previous poster gave of this thread's subject matter to the tired MD vs. DO debate -- spot on!)

 

[theWhat]

This presupposes that a female could not or probably will not sexually harass another female. That is absolutely not true.

Also, comparing male OB/GYNs to female urologists becomes problematic when considering gay & lesbian physicians. Is a gay male OB/GYN the equivalent of a lesbian urologist? Do you see how this line of thinking becomes grossly complex and problematic?

Perhaps, but the vast majority of sexual assault and harassment is committed by men. Hence why many women are apprehensive when it comes to male providers. This should not limit men becoming ob/gyns, but I think it warrants a lot of awareness and sensitivity on the providers' end. There are plenty of male providers that have been inappropriate with female patients in the past, so it's understandable why the trust isn't there.

 

[Sink You Fool]

This presupposes that a female could not or probably will not sexually harass another female. That is absolutely not true.

I am very much a feminist and straight and I know many a lesbian. And I have had my ass grabbed by both drunken males and women. There is a difference between harassment and assault. When I say sexual assault, that means it is violent and not an ass grab, and none of the women I know who have been sexually assaulted have been assaulted by another woman.

 

[Bacchus]

What about FMs who do pap smears? Females only right?

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No.

 

[Sink You Fool]

Seriously, I am old and I have no idea how to use the internets. Also, boogie nights is on. BUT yes Snoopy, I do think in the end your right. I felt the need to call you out on the female on female sexual assault (nonexistent) but the rest of your post yes!

I just really want all the awesome premed guys who want to do OB/GYN, listen to the women you see.

 

[SnoopyMD]

This presupposes that a female could not or probably will not sexually harass another female. That is absolutely not true.

I am very much a feminist and straight and I know many a lesbian. And I have had my ass grabbed by both drunken males and women. There is a difference between harassment and assault. When I say sexual assault, that means it is violent and not an ass grab, and none of the women I know who have been sexually assaulted have been assaulted by another woman.

So because you don't know anyone who has been sexually assaulted by another woman, it must not be true? Let's not forget that the plural of anecdote is not data...

 

[MedPR]

This presupposes that a female could not or probably will not sexually harass another female. That is absolutely not true.

Also, comparing male OB/GYNs to female urologists becomes problematic when considering gay & lesbian physicians. Is a gay male OB/GYN the equivalent of a lesbian urologist? Do you see how this line of thinking becomes grossly complex and problematic?

I'll be applying to medical school this year, and my interest in OB/GYN came about because of the following:
1) An OB/GYN I shadowed who has become a strong mentor
2) Interest in the surgical procedures and pathologies of the female reproductive system
3) Lots of fellowship pathways (gyn onc, primarily)
4) A social justice component related to women's health care access

So it's perfectly natural for a male to be interested in OB/GYN. He'll be seeing both young and old patients at some point in his career, and whether or not those patients refuse to see him because of his gender is up to them. It doesn't mean he can't have a successful career.

(I like the comparison a previous poster gave of this thread's subject matter to the tired MD vs. DO debate -- spot on!)

No, it presupposes that all males are likely/willing/able to assault you just because one (of 3+billion) did in the past.

Edit: perhaps that is human nature though. A very large spider jumped on me when I was young and now I'm terrified of spiders.

No.

Sarcasm.

 

[MedPR]

I am also a victim of sexual assault and I am incredibly sad that I have to say that the majority of the women I know have been victims of sexual assault. My experience did not sour me on male doctors, but I ABSOLUTELY see why a women would choose a woman over a man in healthcare concerns.

We are not as past the Mad Men era as people think.

I don't see why. You think a doc is more likely than your male bartender/waiter/coworker to assault you just because you're not wearing any bottoms during your gyn exam?

Just doesn't make sense to me.

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[theWhat]

I don't see why. You think a doc is more likely than your male bartender/waiter/coworker to assault you just because you're not wearing any bottoms during your gyn exam?



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You're kidding right? It doesn't have to be violent for somebody to be violated. That is a very vulnerable situation. Most sexual assault is perpetrated by somebody the victim knew. Also, I would hasten to compare PTSD and fear of sexual assault to fear of spiders. That is very disrespectful to victims.

 

[MedPR]

You're kidding right? It doesn't have to be violent for somebody to be violated. That is a very vulnerable situation. Most sexual assault is perpetrated by somebody the victim knew. Also, I would hasten to compare PTSD and fear of sexual assault to fear of spiders. That is very disrespectful to victims.

The spider thing was meant to demonstrate that I understand feelings/fears are not always voluntary or rational.

I don't see how the rest of your post addresses what you quoted though.. You trust a doc to correctly diagnose you, but you don't trust that they won't violate you in the process? As someone else already pointed out, a female is just as capable of violating you as a male.

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[theWhat]

The spider thing was meant to demonstrate that I understand feelings/fears are not always voluntary or rational.

I don't see how the rest of your post addresses what you quoted though.. You trust a doc to correctly diagnose you, but you don't trust that they won't violate you in the process?

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Yeah, I realize it wasn't ill intentioned, I would just try to be respectful of a very touchy subject. As far as trust goes, yes, I think it's fair to say that many women are allowed to have a reasonable fear of a man violating them, especially when there's a power dynamic involved. While it is fortunate that the majority of male doctors are not this way and completely respect those boundaries, it is not the woman's duty to trust them, but rather it is on the male population to fight the problem of sexual assault and earn that trust back. It's one thing to trust a diagnosis, but the fear of being violated sexually is a very emotionally painful thing, and frankly I'm not surprised that many women feel this way. Just my thought.

 

[MedPR]

Yeah, I realize it wasn't ill intentioned, I would just try to be respectful of a very touchy subject. As far as trust goes, yes, I think it's fair to say that many women are allowed to have a reasonable fear of a man violating them, especially when there's a power dynamic involved. While it is fortunate that the majority of male doctors are not this way and completely respect those boundaries, it is not the woman's duty to trust them, but rather it is on the male population to fight the problem of sexual assault and earn that trust back. It's one thing to trust a diagnosis, but the fear of being violated sexually is a very emotionally painful thing, and frankly I'm not surprised that many women feel this way. Just my thought.

Yea I certainly understand it's a touchy issue, I am just confused about the male/female doc component. Seems like a gyn visit puts women in a vulnerable position regardless of the doc's gender.



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[Winged Scapula]

Interestingly, despite not possessing female genitalia, male OB Gyns are generally considered to be more sensitive than female. Something about the, "hey I've been there and sucked it up, so you should too" attitude from female physicians.

 

[theWhat]

Yea I certainly understand it's a touchy issue, I am just confused about the male/female doc component. Seems like a gyn visit puts women in a vulnerable position regardless of the doc's gender.



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From what I hear from women, it does. The main reason is because men are typically the perpetrator in these situations.

http://www.ncdsv.org/images/nationalstatisticssexassault--afreport8-24-05.pdf

http://www.coloradosuperlawyer.com/...-abuse-by-a-doctor-or-a-health-care-provider/

A revealing survey done by Gartrell, Milliken, Goodson & Thiemann of physicians and patients have disclosed that sexual relations between physicians and adult patients involve approximately 10% of all medical specialists who care for adults.1
A study of patients who got psychiatric or counseling care after a former health care provider performed sexual acts upon them found 51% of the care providers were clergy, and 49% were health care professionals.2 Of those health care professionals, 85% were from various counseling professions, 7.3% were physicians in medical specialties, and 3.7% were nurses.
In Ontario, Canada, in the 80s, 25% of the health care providers who had been legally charged with patient sexual contact were psychiatrists. Surveys of psychiatrists revealed that 7% to 10% reported that they had had previous sexual contact with patients.3
A Canadian task force on sexual abuse of patients found that patients younger than 14 years accounted for 8.7% of these reports, whereas 80% of patients subjected to sexual contact were adult women.4 Male providers were responsible for 91% of the sexual contacts. Among 567 physicians disciplined by their state medical disciplinary boards between 1989 and 1996 for sexually related offenses involving patients, pediatricians accounted for 14 disciplinary events (2.9%), although they represented 7.8% of all physicians.5
Recent national data suggest that approximately 8% of American children experience sexual victimization in a given year,6 although significant under-reporting occurs.

 

[theWhat]

Interestingly, despite not possessing female genitalia, male OB Gyns are generally considered to be more sensitive than female. Something about the, "hey I've been there and sucked it up, so you should too" attitude from female physicians.

I've heard that. Perhaps male providers heard it from their instructors more to be careful.

 

[MedPR]

Interestingly, despite not possessing female genitalia, male OB Gyns are generally considered to be more sensitive than female. Something about the, "hey I've been there and sucked it up, so you should too" attitude from female physicians.

Plus they probably know they've got less room for error (in terms of being considered assault/inappropriate behavior) than the female OB/GYNS so they are inherently more careful/supportive.

From what I hear from women, it does. The main reason is because men are typically the perpetrator in these situations.

http://www.ncdsv.org/images/nationalstatisticssexassault--afreport8-24-05.pdf

http://www.coloradosuperlawyer.com/...-abuse-by-a-doctor-or-a-health-care-provider/

A revealing survey done by Gartrell, Milliken, Goodson & Thiemann of physicians and patients have disclosed that sexual relations between physicians and adult patients involve approximately 10% of all medical specialists who care for adults.1
A study of patients who got psychiatric or counseling care after a former health care provider performed sexual acts upon them found 51% of the care providers were clergy, and 49% were health care professionals.2 Of those health care professionals, 85% were from various counseling professions, 7.3% were physicians in medical specialties, and 3.7% were nurses.
In Ontario, Canada, in the 80s, 25% of the health care providers who had been legally charged with patient sexual contact were psychiatrists. Surveys of psychiatrists revealed that 7% to 10% reported that they had had previous sexual contact with patients.3
A Canadian task force on sexual abuse of patients found that patients younger than 14 years accounted for 8.7% of these reports, whereas 80% of patients subjected to sexual contact were adult women.4 Male providers were responsible for 91% of the sexual contacts. Among 567 physicians disciplined by their state medical disciplinary boards between 1989 and 1996 for sexually related offenses involving patients, pediatricians accounted for 14 disciplinary events (2.9%), although they represented 7.8% of all physicians.5
Recent national data suggest that approximately 8% of American children experience sexual victimization in a given year,6 although significant under-reporting occurs.

I suppose so. You'd think that popular opinion (docs are professional) and logic (soc has seen hundreds of patients and not lost his license due to assault) would help ease some of the concerns though. At least I would think that.


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[Law2Doc]

Interestingly, despite not possessing female genitalia, male OB Gyns are generally considered to be more sensitive than female. Something about the, "hey I've been there and sucked it up, so you should too" attitude from female physicians.

This.

Also victims of assault perhaps aren't going to love being examined by male doctors of any specialty, so this isn't really the segment of the population that can drive ones decision. I mean is it not still uncomfortable to have a male FP or internist have you disrobe to your undies so he can do a complete physical? Or have a male dermatologist take a look at warts and moles in immodest places? Or get a colonoscopy from a male GI doctor, or a mammogram or breast mass biopsy from a male radiologist? Or have a male breast surgeon or oncologist deal with a breast lump? Women represent over half the world population and over half the worlds medical problems, but less than half of the worlds doctors, so doctors of both genders are going to train to take care of them for the foreseeable future. Suggesting women's health issues should only be dealt with by women (many of whom are reportedly less compassionate than their male counterparts, as noted above) because there are some victims of assault out there is absurd.

It's about disease and anatomy, not sex, people.

And FWIW, I'm not sure psychiatrists of either sex would say that fostering an avoidance of men in nonsexual, clinical situations like a pap smear or speculum exam really helps victims overcome their post traumatic sexual issues, although I defer to my colleagues in that field on that one. In any case this isn't a good argument as to why men shouldn't be OBGYNs.

 

[Law2Doc]

From what I hear from women, it does. The main reason is because men are typically the perpetrator in these situations.

http://www.ncdsv.org/images/nationalstatisticssexassault--afreport8-24-05.pdf

http://www.coloradosuperlawyer.com/...-abuse-by-a-doctor-or-a-health-care-provider/

A revealing survey done by Gartrell, Milliken, Goodson & Thiemann of physicians and patients have disclosed that sexual relations between physicians and adult patients involve approximately 10% of all medical specialists who care for adults.1
A study of patients who got psychiatric or counseling care after a former health care provider performed sexual acts upon them found 51% of the care providers were clergy, and 49% were health care professionals.2 Of those health care professionals, 85% were from various counseling professions, 7.3% were physicians in medical specialties, and 3.7% were nurses.
In Ontario, Canada, in the 80s, 25% of the health care providers who had been legally charged with patient sexual contact were psychiatrists. Surveys of psychiatrists revealed that 7% to 10% reported that they had had previous sexual contact with patients.3
A Canadian task force on sexual abuse of patients found that patients younger than 14 years accounted for 8.7% of these reports, whereas 80% of patients subjected to sexual contact were adult women.4 Male providers were responsible for 91% of the sexual contacts. Among 567 physicians disciplined by their state medical disciplinary boards between 1989 and 1996 for sexually related offenses involving patients, pediatricians accounted for 14 disciplinary events (2.9%), although they represented 7.8% of all physicians.5
Recent national data suggest that approximately 8% of American children experience sexual victimization in a given year,6 although significant under-reporting occurs.

Very sketchy study in that it lumps clergy in with health care providers and nurses in with physicians (of all specialties) to all ages of patient care to get to a bigger number. If you subtract out clergy, nurses, pediatricians and psychiatrists, that pretty much doesn't even leave a percentage to attribute to OBGYNs.

 

[wholeheartedly]

Interestingly, despite not possessing female genitalia, male OB Gyns are generally considered to be more sensitive than female. Something about the, "hey I've been there and sucked it up, so you should too" attitude from female physicians.

This. That's been my experience as well, except my new PCP, she's great. The male docs were far more careful about being gentle, I think because they don't have those parts or know what it feels like. Some women don't seem to realize that just because they've had a few kids and so on and it was no big deal for them, that the experience is a bit different for those of us who haven't had kids or those who have medical conditions that make some exams a bit more painful.

 

[MintBerryCrunch]

I had one experience with a male ob/gyn that kinda put a damper my view of males in the profession. I was a teenager going in for an exam. I was extremely uncomfortable, and he said something along the lines of "Eventually you are going to want a guy to look down here." That really turned me off to the idea of having a male doctor again, although I am sure he the exception not the rule.

 

[gettheleadout]

Just a word of advice to any male (and probably female) who's interested in OB/Gyn, ALWAYS HAVE A CHAPERONE.


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[kgpremed11]

Just a word of advice to any male (and probably female) who's interested in OB/Gyn, ALWAYS HAVE A CHAPERONE.


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Dude I would never be do ob/gyn. First, I would never enter a profession where I was held in suspicion just for being a guy. 2, dealing with women all day everyday at work and at home would be the worst torture I could imagine.

 

[touchpause13]

Dude I would never be do ob/gyn. First, I would never enter a profession where I was held in suspicion just for being a guy. 2, dealing with women all day everyday at work and at home would be the worst torture I could imagine.

Go away troll.

And medpr, idk if its just ur lack of empathy or u just don't understand how I peliv exam works. What I'm saying is I cant go to a male doctor and let him put his fingers in my vagina without having flashbacks to when I was sexually assualted. Its really not that complicated and thanks for the concern about my wellbeing but there is nothing psychologically damaging to practice avoidance in this way. And spiders? Seriously? Grow a heart *******

 

[kgpremed11]

Go away troll.

And medpr, idk if its just ur lack of empathy or u just don't understand how I peliv exam works. What I'm saying is I cant go to a male doctor and let him put his fingers in my vagina without having flashbacks to when I was sexually assualted. Its really not that complicated and thanks for the concern about my wellbeing but there is nothing psychologically damaging to practice avoidance in this way. And spiders? Seriously? Grow a heart *******

Dude give me a break. A hispanic guy once robbed me, now every time I see one I cross to the other side of the street. Not really, but just following your line of reasoning. If i'm a troll for speaking my opinion, so be it.

 

[CsHead]

Dude give me a break. A hispanic guy once robbed me, now every time I see one I cross to the other side of the street. Not really, but just following your line of reasoning. If i'm a troll for speaking my opinion, so be it.

But you still do right?







i kid i kid

 

[SpecterGT260]

Go away troll.

And medpr, idk if its just ur lack of empathy or u just don't understand how I peliv exam works. What I'm saying is I cant go to a male doctor and let him put his fingers in my vagina without having flashbacks to when I was sexually assualted. Its really not that complicated and thanks for the concern about my wellbeing but there is nothing psychologically damaging to practice avoidance in this way. And spiders? Seriously? Grow a heart *******

I can understand that.
I tend to think such avoidance is a symptom of a persistent problem and not the "fix". There are rape victims that go on to have healthy sexual relationships with male partners later in life. Although specific things about you and your partner preferences may play into this as well. Either way, I do see the frustration discussed by kg even if he was insensitive about it.

Dude give me a break. A hispanic guy once robbed me, now every time I see one I cross to the other side of the street. Not really, but just following your line of reasoning. If i'm a troll for speaking my opinion, so be it.

Just..... just don't attempt to equate these things. This doesn't demonstrate an extension of logic but rather it shows a complete misunderstanding of the issue.

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[MedPR]

Go away troll.

And medpr, idk if its just ur lack of empathy or u just don't understand how I peliv exam works. What I'm saying is I cant go to a male doctor and let him put his fingers in my vagina without having flashbacks to when I was sexually assualted. Its really not that complicated and thanks for the concern about my wellbeing but there is nothing psychologically damaging to practice avoidance in this way. And spiders? Seriously? Grow a heart *******

I do lack empathy because I've never been assaulted before. It is impossible for me (or anyone else) to be empathetic when I haven't experienced the same as you.

It's just confusing to me why every male gets grouped in with the male who assaulted you.

My dad has military flashbacks and PTSD because of people he killed, but he can still go to the gun range and shoot things.

I guess there will be different triggers for different people/situations, but avoiding all male obgyns because of a terrible experience with a (presumably) non-physician in the past is hard for me to grasp.


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[touchpause13]

I think u lack a basic understanding of the word empathy, and there is a big diff3erence between going to a gunrange and being penatrated by a stranger

 

[KnuxNole]

Go away troll.

And medpr, idk if its just ur lack of empathy or u just don't understand how I peliv exam works. What I'm saying is I cant go to a male doctor and let him put his fingers in my vagina without having flashbacks to when I was sexually assualted. Its really not that complicated and thanks for the concern about my wellbeing but there is nothing psychologically damaging to practice avoidance in this way. And spiders? Seriously? Grow a heart *******

How is what he said a troll statement?

 

[MedPR]

I think u lack a basic understanding of the word empathy, and there is a big diff3erence between going to a gunrange and being penatrated by a stranger

Empathy and sympathy aren't the same. At least not the way I learned them. I can be sympathetic to someone who has been assaulted, but I cannot be empathetic until I have experienced something similar or equally traumatizing.

As another example, I can be sympathetic to starving children in Africa, but since I've always had access to food I cannot feel empathy for them because I don't know what it's like to be starving.

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[touchpause13]

Medpr wasn't trolling kdpremed was
Empathy is the ability to put urself in someone elses shoes regardless of if u have the same life experiences as them.

 

[Law2Doc]

...and there is a big diff3erence between going to a gunrange and being penatrated by a stranger

There's a bigger difference between being "penetrated by a stranger" and being examined by a physician wearing gloves and behaving in a professional and clinical manner.

Also given that we've established that many male OBGYNs are more gentle than their female counter parts, it seems more likely that examination by a heavy handed female doctor might be closer to being penetrated by a stranger. At any rate, I'm not sure avoidance of potential trigger situations is really a step toward cure.

 

[Narmerguy]

I do lack empathy because I've never been assaulted before. It is impossible for me (or anyone else) to be empathetic when I haven't experienced the same as you.

It's just confusing to me why every male gets grouped in with the male who assaulted you.

My dad has military flashbacks and PTSD because of people he killed, but he can still go to the gun range and shoot things.

I guess there will be different triggers for different people/situations, but avoiding all male obgyns because of a terrible experience with a (presumably) non-physician in the past is hard for me to grasp.


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Really? I'm surprised this could be hard for someone to grasp. If PTSD triggers were so easy to control it probably wouldn't be that big of a disorder.

There's a bigger difference between being "penetrated by a stranger" and being examined by a physician wearing gloves and behaving in a professional and clinical manner.

I hope this is your idea of a joke. 😕

 

[KnuxNole]

Medpr wasn't trolling kdpremed was
Empathy is the ability to put urself in someone elses shoes regardless of if u have the same life experiences as them.

I know, that's why I asked because nothing kd said was out of the ordinary or offensive/horrid.

 

[MedPR]

Medpr wasn't trolling kdpremed was
Empathy is the ability to put urself in someone elses shoes regardless of if u have the same life experiences as them.

You wouldn't be offended if a non-assault victim claimed they were able to put themselves in your shoes? I think I would if I were you.
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[touchpause13]

You wouldn't be offended if a non-assault victim claimed they were able to put themselves in your shoes? I think I would if I were you.
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I thi.nk the ability to attempt or want to attempt to put urself in the shoes or ur fellow (wo)man is a basic sign of human deceny and respect

 

[touchpause13]

Huge newsflash: reactions to tramatic events usually aren't logical, because trama is logical, killing or raping isn't logical behavior and in order for the mind to make sense of that horrible event sometimes the wiring gets a bit funky. I realy don't see why the first reaction to many health professionals here is to defend defend defend and say my reactions are wrong and don't make sense instead of having some empathy or sypathy for someone who suffered from assualt. Y'all realize that. About 1 out of 6 women are victims of rape or attempted rape. You are going to have patients like me and shud probably learn how to deal with them in apporpraite manners

 

[MedPR]

I thi.nk the ability to attempt or want to attempt to put urself in the shoes or ur fellow (wo)man is a basic sign of human deceny and respect

I agree, but attempting to understand is different from claiming to actually understand.

My spider experience isn't comparable in terms of degree of trauma, but it's my only comparable experience and is what I went to in order to display my understanding. You (and others) didn't like that I made the comparison... But you think it's a basic sign of human decency and respect to attempt to understand someone else's feelings? I guess only of the attempt is made using a close enough experience? In that case, then, empathy is only possible if I've experienced something you deem similar enough.. Which is what I initially said about empathy/sympathy.

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[Law2Doc]

Huge newsflash: reactions to tramatic events usually aren't logical, because trama is logical, killing or raping isn't logical behavior and in order for the mind to make sense of that horrible event sometimes the wiring gets a bit funky. I realy don't see why the first reaction to many health professionals here is to defend defend defend and say my reactions are wrong and don't make sense instead of having some empathy or sypathy for someone who suffered from assualt. Y'all realize that. About 1 out of 6 women are victims of rape or attempted rape. You are going to have patients like me and shud probably learn how to deal with them in apporpraite manners

This was a thread about males becoming OBGYNs. There is nothing wrong with that. You came on here with your "funky wiring" and basically used your own traumatic disorder as a reason males should not become OBGYNs. I don't know if 1 in 6 Women really are victims of assault, but, assuming arguendo that it's true, I do know that of that 1 in 6, some are still fine with doctors of either gender. Your situation can't be extrapolated onto others and sure can't be the reason people don't choose a specialty they would enjoy and excel at. Every specialty needs to attract good new doctors. A few people with funky wiring shouldn't present a hurdle to this. You have to realize this. Your cure isn't going to come by elimination of male gynecologists. Sure it's something people going into the field should be sensitive of, but they should still go into the field.

 

[touchpause13]

This was a thread about males becoming OBGYNs. There is nothing wrong with that. You came on here with your "funky wiring" and basically used your own traumatic disorder as a reason males should not become OBGYNs. I don't know if 1 in 6 Women really are victims of assault, but, assuming arguendo that it's true, I do know that of that 1 in 6, some are still fine with doctors of either gender. Your situation can't be extrapolated onto others and sure can't be the reason people don't choose a specialty they would enjoy and excel at. Every specialty needs to attract good new doctors. A few people with funky wiring shouldn't present a hurdle to this. You have to realize this. Your cure isn't going to come by elimination of male gynecologists. Sure it's something people going into the field should be sensitive of, but they should still go into the field.

Look at my op genius. I never ever ever said men can't be obgyns. I said I personaly can't see one but I 100% support them existing

 

[touchpause13]

Nothing wrong with male OB/GYNs.
I am not personally able to see one, but for those women who can there is nothing wrong with having more people in that field who are bright and interested in women's healthcare.

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[KnuxNole]

Law2Doc definitely is a genius...not someone I would take for granted 😛

 

[Law2Doc]

Look at my op genius. I never ever ever said men can't be obgyns. I said I personaly can't see one but I 100% support them existing

You did say that, but the story didn't end there. You subsequently equated seeing a doctor to being penetrated by a stranger. On a premed board I would have hoped for better.

 

[theWhat]

I feel like there is often an overhanging attitude of denial about the problem of women being victimized by men as well as a tendency to blame the victim for being irrational, overreactive, etc... This needs to stop. I certainly think that men should pursue ob gyn, (I'm a male for one thing, and my mother is an ob nurse who anecdotally has had good experience with men in obgyn). But, it is absolutely imperative that you are sensitive to the fact that many women have been victimized in the past.

 

[touchpause13]

You did say that, but the story didn't end there. You subsequently equated seeing a doctor to being penetrated by a stranger. On a premed board I would have hoped for better.

I only stated that to me, having a pelvic exam from a man wud feel like that. That's not unreasonable. From a doctor I would have hoped for better

 

[touchpause13]

I feel like there is often an overhanging attitude of denial about the problem of women being victimized by men as well as a tendency to blame the victim for being irrational, overreactive, etc... This needs to stop. I certainly think that men should pursue ob gyn, (I'm a male for one thing, and my mother is an ob nurse who anecdotally has had good experience with men in obgyn). But, it is absolutely imperative that you are sensitive to the fact that many women have been victimized in the past.

Thank you love

 

[MedPR]

ITT: I learned that men can be obgyns and women who don't like it can go see a woman obgyn. What a revelation.

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[SpecterGT260]

I feel like there is often an overhanging attitude of denial about the problem of women being victimized by men as well as a tendency to blame the victim for being irrational, overreactive, etc... This needs to stop. I certainly think that men should pursue ob gyn, (I'm a male for one thing, and my mother is an ob nurse who anecdotally has had good experience with men in obgyn). But, it is absolutely imperative that you are sensitive to the fact that many women have been victimized in the past.

Are you speaking in a general sense or reflecting on this thread? I haven't seen anyone blame the victim here, and in general those who do are usually backed into a corner and making idiot statements.

As with everything there ARE two sides to every story. Not that a victim is ever at fault, but there are girls out there who cry wolf. As a non rapist I am more familiar with the latter.

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