Can Australian MD grads do residency in New York?

[LebronManning]

I remember reading a while ago that Australian students seeking US residency match were not allowed to do residency in NY because NY has some weird rule about requiring a specific amount of clerkship hours done in NY or the US in general? Carib grads were OK b/c they do clinical rotations in US, especially in NY. Specifically, UQ-Ochsner students were having trouble. I saw from the recent match list from UQ that their students did match into NY into some competitive specialties, so I assume UQ is not a certified med school per NY state. Does this apply to Sydney and Melbourne medical schools?

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[Domperidone]

Wrong forum.
Or just wrong thread.
Current UQ Ochsner pre-meds, students (and alum) are in here, trading advice - UQ-Ochsner 2018 Cohort. Outside of those who've studied in Australia, very few will know actually know how to specifically respond to your questions (or will have ever needed to know).

Or search the Australian forum, people have asked your exact question before. the answers are in there.

Figures you're looking at going off-shore, lol.
This is you right?
Stop telling people to not go into medicine for the money.
Sounds like a fab thing to say at interviews.

I actually went into medicine out of a desire to help people. Just saying. Not enough money in the world would ever compel me to work in this field if I didn't. Occasionally, it's the only thing that gives me a reason to even show up to work. There's enough to make me miserable as it is sometimes, if it was just the money, forget it. It's never worth it for just the money. As all the other residents and doctors pointed out in your other thread.

 

[LebronManning]

Wrong forum.
Or just wrong thread.
Current UQ Ochsner pre-meds, students (and alum) are in here, trading advice - UQ-Ochsner 2018 Cohort. Outside of those who've studied in Australia, very few will know actually know how to specifically respond to your questions (or will have ever needed to know).

Or search the Australian forum, people have asked your exact question before. the answers are in there.

Figures you're looking at going off-shore, lol.
This is you right?
Stop telling people to not go into medicine for the money.
Sounds like a fab thing to say at interviews.

I actually went into medicine out of a desire to help people. Just saying. Not enough money in the world would ever compel me to work in this field if I didn't. Occasionally, it's the only thing that gives me a reason to even show up to work. There's enough to make me miserable as it is sometimes, if it was just the money, forget it. It's never worth it for just the money. As all the other residents and doctors pointed out in your other thread.

“Figures I’m looking to go offshore”

Nice. You don’t even know me. I was born in Australia, moved to US for primary school, then back to AUS for high school and college. I’m looking at Sydney Medical school, which is far superior to 95% of US MD schools. I have some desire to move back to the states and this is why I’m curious about this. Lots of my immediate family moved back to the states. I may be a competitive applicant for US schools, but it’s a more familiar and easy process for me to attend here.

Sure, money is not the ONLY reason you or I would go into medicine for. But if you tell me you’d do this job for 50k/yr you’re lying. Also I’m not an idiot, obviously I wouldn’t say this at an interview. I would talk about how I have such a passion to help people because that is also true. Again that’s not exclusive from wanting to make a pretty penny.

 

[rokshana]

“Figures I’m looking to go offshore”

Nice. You don’t even know me. I was born in Australia, moved to US for primary school, then back to AUS for high school and college. I’m looking at Sydney Medical school, which is far superior to 95% of US MD schools. I have some desire to move back to the states and this is why I’m curious about this. Lots of my immediate family moved back to the states. I may be a competitive applicant for US schools, but it’s a more familiar and easy process for me to attend here.

Sure, money is not the ONLY reason you or I would go into medicine for. But if you tell me you’d do this job for 50k/yr you’re lying. Also I’m not an idiot, obviously I wouldn’t say this at an interview. I would talk about how I have such a passion to help people because that is also true. Again that’s not exclusive from wanting to make a pretty penny.

please... everyone says.." i want to help people" or "i'm a people person"...if you are gonna lie (and think you a good enough liar to fool people), then at least be more creative.

if you really are a "competitive" US applicant (are you a US citizen or still an Australian citizen...it is quite unusual for a non citizen to get a spot in a US school, (and again if you are so smart), then you would apply to both and then actually have the option to say which choice you are going to make...for good or bad, if you go to a foreign med school and then want to do residency and work in the US, then you will have a red flag when it comes to getting a US residency...is it fair? no, but it is what it is and you will have to accept the consequences of your decision to go to an Australian school and then trying to get a US residency. If you are a Commonwealth citizen, you may have better luck in the Canadian system, but they are even harder than the US.

and while Sydney Medical school may be well known in Australia, it is virtually unheard of in the US...not going to help you when your school is not really known here.

and realize that while Domperidone's response may not be nice, it will be the one that you will commonly come across as an I/FMG. If it hurt your feelings to just hear it on an anonymous forum...well you are gonna be butthurt by the end of the process...

to answer your original question...yes NYS has convoluted requirements for foreign students doing rotations in the the state and, unless your med school is recognized by NYS, (which some of the caribbean med schools are), you can only do 12 weeks of rotations in NYS. If you do more,, then you cannot apply for residency in the state. It in the end ;however, does not keep you from getting an unrestricted license after you finish residency.

to give yourself the most of options, you would be better to go to med school in the US, do residency in the US and then you have the option to work in both the US and Australia...Australia will accept US education and training on face value, but the US will not (again, maybe not fair, but...). But of course, then you have to be competitive enough to get into a USMD (not sure if DO give you the same option), especially if you are not a US citizen.

and we don't need to know you personally...we see "you" here all the time..

 

[LebronManning]

please... everyone says.." i want to help people" or "i'm a people person"...if you are gonna lie (and think you a good enough liar to fool people), then at least be more creative.

if you really are a "competitive" US applicant (are you a US citizen or still an Australian citizen...it is quite unusual for a non citizen to get a spot in a US school, (and again if you are so smart), then you would apply to both and then actually have the option to say which choice you are going to make...for good or bad, if you go to a foreign med school and then want to do residency and work in the US, then you will have a red flag when it comes to getting a US residency...is it fair? no, but it is what it is and you will have to accept the consequences of your decision to go to an Australian school and then trying to get a US residency. If you are a Commonwealth citizen, you may have better luck in the Canadian system, but they are even harder than the US.

and while Sydney Medical school may be well known in Australia, it is virtually unheard of in the US...not going to help you when your school is not really known here.

and realize that while Domperidone's response may not be nice, it will be the one that you will commonly come across as an I/FMG. If it hurt your feelings to just hear it on an anonymous forum...well you are gonna be butthurt by the end of the process...

to answer your original question...yes NYS has convoluted requirements for foreign students doing rotations in the the state and, unless your med school is recognized by NYS, (which some of the caribbean med schools are), you can only do 12 weeks of rotations in NYS. If you do more,, then you cannot apply for residency in the state. It in the end ;however, does not keep you from getting an unrestricted license after you finish residency.

to give yourself the most of options, you would be better to go to med school in the US, do residency in the US and then you have the option to work in both the US and Australia...Australia will accept US education and training on face value, but the US will not (again, maybe not fair, but...). But of course, then you have to be competitive enough to get into a USMD (not sure if DO give you the same option), especially if you are not a US citizen.

and we don't need to know you personally...we see "you" here all the time..

Again, you do not know me. You don't seem to know much actually about medical training or you're just one of those physicians who judge competent IMGs because of the "I", mostly because your insecure about your own accomplishments. While I was at Sloan Kettering, a USMD who was a fellow under a renowned Indian graduate attending, told me this. Accmplished US physicians have no judgement toward competent international physicians, its usually the insecure ones who try to exaggerate every single superior thing about themselves. Sydney medical school is unheard of in the US? Lol. SMS is a top 20 med school in the world, do you have any idea of how many of your renowned cardiothoracic surgeons are from SMS? Sure, IMGs get a bad rap because of the caribbean. But non carib IMGs are not treated the same; Australian/Irish/English grads routinely match Neurosurg/Plastic Surg/Ortho. Do you have any idea how many of your esteemed Neurosurgeons are Iranian? Of course I realize that it is harder to match into US from AUS, but literally ever family member or friend I have from AUS that has tried has matched well in competitive academic programs. I am effectively a dual citizen (more US though, cant vote in AUS). Finally, SMS is like 20k/yr, there's no medical school in the US that I can attend for that cost. I'm trying to practice hospital medicine as an IM doc, I'm sure I can match into a decent IM program with decent board scores from Sydney Medical school, lol. You guys take 800 carib grads a year lol. Guess how many Carib grads a AUS residency would ever take?

"We don't need to know you personally...we see "you" here all the time" What are you even saying? I have like 5 posts. And whats with the you in quotes?

 

[ThoracicGuy]

Again, you do not know me. You don't seem to know much actually about medical training or you're just one of those physicians who judge competent IMGs because of the "I", mostly because your insecure about your own accomplishments. While I was at Sloan Kettering, a USMD who was a fellow under a renowned Indian graduate attending, told me this. Accmplished US physicians have no judgement toward competent international physicians, its usually the insecure ones who try to exaggerate every single superior thing about themselves. Sydney medical school is unheard of in the US? Lol. SMS is a top 20 med school in the world, do you have any idea of how many of your renowned cardiothoracic surgeons are from SMS? Sure, IMGs get a bad rap because of the caribbean. But non carib IMGs are not treated the same; Australian/Irish/English grads routinely match Neurosurg/Plastic Surg/Ortho. Do you have any idea how many of your esteemed Neurosurgeons are Iranian? Of course I realize that it is harder to match into US from AUS, but literally ever family member or friend I have from AUS that has tried has matched well in competitive academic programs. I am effectively a dual citizen (more US though, cant vote in AUS). Finally, SMS is like 20k/yr, there's no medical school in the US that I can attend for that cost. I'm trying to practice hospital medicine as an IM doc, I'm sure I can match into a decent IM program with decent board scores from Sydney Medical school, lol. You guys take 800 carib grads a year lol. Guess how many Carib grads a AUS residency would ever take?

"We don't need to know you personally...we see "you" here all the time" What are you even saying? I have like 5 posts. And whats with the you in quotes?

 

[LebronManning]

what?

 

[rokshana]

Again, you do not know me. You don't seem to know much actually about medical training or you're just one of those physicians who judge competent IMGs because of the "I", mostly because your insecure about your own accomplishments. While I was at Sloan Kettering, a USMD who was a fellow under a renowned Indian graduate attending, told me this. Accmplished US physicians have no judgement toward competent international physicians, its usually the insecure ones who try to exaggerate every single superior thing about themselves. Sydney medical school is unheard of in the US? Lol. SMS is a top 20 med school in the world, do you have any idea of how many of your renowned cardiothoracic surgeons are from SMS? Sure, IMGs get a bad rap because of the caribbean. But non carib IMGs are not treated the same; Australian/Irish/English grads routinely match Neurosurg/Plastic Surg/Ortho. Do you have any idea how many of your esteemed Neurosurgeons are Iranian? Of course I realize that it is harder to match into US from AUS, but literally ever family member or friend I have from AUS that has tried has matched well in competitive academic programs. I am effectively a dual citizen (more US though, cant vote in AUS). Finally, SMS is like 20k/yr, there's no medical school in the US that I can attend for that cost. I'm trying to practice hospital medicine as an IM doc, I'm sure I can match into a decent IM program with decent board scores from Sydney Medical school, lol. You guys take 800 carib grads a year lol. Guess how many Carib grads a AUS residency would ever take?

"We don't need to know you personally...we see "you" here all the time" What are you even saying? I have like 5 posts. And whats with the you in quotes?

you're new here so i'll give you some slack...

in practice, you are right, there is very little difference between AMG, DO, IMG, and FMG...pts just want someone to who they feel understand what is going on and takes care of them...but to get there, yes, there is a big difference...and IMG FMG, whatever, they at looked at, in general, the same...most residency programs have little experience with foreign med students..those that do, the PD are very well versed in the good domiciled schools and the for profit ones (and even the good for profit ones)...and it may make non carib FMGs feel better (or more superior i dunno) that they are different..but you get that same attitude from DO students that think they are no different than their MD counterparts...until they start applying...

and i am a product of FMGs...and am one myself...a carib one to boot! Realize there is a reason there are more sgu/ross grads in residencies in the US than most individual schools outside the US (AIIMS might be the exception)...we are US citizens who have done all of our other education in the US and having our last 2 years of clinicials in the US system allows us to get LoR for US physicians that are involved in residencies, and they know us as students...its a small world, medical graduate education (and one which i have been quite involved in from both sides and in term of an IMG, i did pretty well for myself) and while USLME scores for I/FMGs is the biggest factor, USCE and LoR play a big role...and the US is very egocentric...sure there are great physicians in the rest of the world, but we tend to put more value in our own. Going to a foreign school, even a domiciled one, is going to be a red flag, period.

and no, look at the NRMP numbers...foreign grads do not "routinely" match into those uber competitive programs..< 5% of them are not AMGs...its not opinion, its the fact of the numbers. And those that do, have done a great deal of research and networking to get those spots...they rarely match straight out of med school.

and just go over to the IMG interview thread for this year as well as the SOAP thread for the last few years...it is getting harder and harder to match as an I/FMG and if you need a visa...well its even harder.

as for the "you"...that's the point of the quotes...every year there is always that guy...the one who thinks they are gonna be the exception to the I/FMG situation, or thinks medicine is just the same as any other career and a good way to make money, or whatever...and thinks that those of us who have gone through the process, are involved in academics, are actual practicing physicians have not a clue.

Good luck...you're gonna need it.

 

[rokshana]

i know, i know....i said my peace...i'm done.

 

[LebronManning]

you're new here so i'll give you some slack...

in practice, you are right, there is very little difference between AMG, DO, IMG, and FMG...pts just want someone to who they feel understand what is going on and takes care of them...but to get there, yes, there is a big difference...and IMG FMG, whatever, they at looked at, in general, the same...most residency programs have little experience with foreign med students..those that do, the PD are very well versed in the good domiciled schools and the for profit ones (and even the good for profit ones)...and it may make non carib FMGs feel better (or more superior i dunno) that they are different..but you get that same attitude from DO students that think they are no different than their MD counterparts...until they start applying...

and i am a product of FMGs...and am one myself...a carib one to boot! Realize there is a reason there are more sgu/ross grads in residencies in the US than most individual schools outside the US (AIIMS might be the exception)...we are US citizens who have done all of out other education in the US and having out last 2 years of clinicials in the US system allow us to get LoR for US physicians that are involved in residencies...its a small world, medical graduate education (and one which i have been quite involved in from both sides) and while USLME scores for I/FMGs is the biggest factor, USCE and LoR play a big role...and the US is very egocentric...sure there are great physicians in the rest of the world, but we tend to put more value in our own. Going to a foreign school, even a domiciled one, is going to be a red flag, period.

and no, look at the NRMP numbers...foreign grads do not "routinely" match into those uber competitive programs..< 5% of them are not AMGs...its not opinion, its the fact of the numbers. And those that do, have done a great deal of research and networking to get those spots...they rarely match straight out of med school.

and just go over to the IMG interview thread for this year as well as the SOAP thread for the last few years...it is getting harder and harder to match as an I/FMG and if you need a visa...well its even harder.

as for the "you"...that's the point of the quotes...every year there is always that guy...the one who thinks they are gonna be the exception to the I/FMG situation, or thinks medicine is just the same as any other career and a good way to make money, or whatever...and thinks that those of us who have gone through the process, are involved in academics, are actual practicing physicians have not a clue.

Good luck...you're gonna need it.

As for "me," IF i end up going to an Australian school, I don't think it will be tough to land an IM residency with good board scores. It would be one thing if I was gunning for Rad or Ortho. Or even Anesthesia. OR even EM.

 

[rokshana]

As for "me," IF i end up going to an Australian school, I don't think it will be tough to land an IM residency with good board scores. It would be one thing if I was gunning for Rad or Ortho. Or even Anesthesia. OR even EM.

every year there is always that guy

 

[LebronManning]

every year there is always that guy

And how many guys are there every year that match from an international medical school LOL? What is it like 30-40% of US match is international?

 

[rokshana]

And how many guys are there every year that match from an international medical school LOL? What is it like 30-40% of US match is international?

see this is how a little knowledge can be harmful.
maybe this will be able to open your eyes.
http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Charting-Outcomes-IMGs-2016.pdf

and realize that only 50% of those F/IMGs that apply, match...while >94% of US seniors match. It is much more likely to match as a US MD senior than an I/FMG. And as a US grad and trained physician, you can work in AUS/NZ without any problem...common sense says that is the better strategy...but i'm sure you will be back in about 4-5 year railing against the unfairness of trying to get a residency as an FMG.

go here
IMGs Applying to Internal Medicine. 2018

 

[LebronManning]

see this is how a little knowledge can be harmful.
maybe this will be able to open your eyes.
http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Charting-Outcomes-IMGs-2016.pdf

and realize that only 50% of those F/IMGs that apply, match...while >94% of US seniors match. It is much more likely to match as a US MD senior than an I/FMG. And as a US grad and trained physician, you can work in AUS/NZ without any problem...common sense says that is the better strategy...but i'm sure you will be back in about 4-5 year railing against the unfairness of trying to get a residency as an FMG.

I understand its harder to match as an IMG, but is possible especially if you are smart and are a good test taker. Whats the problem if I believe that to be true of myself? Why did you go to school in the Carib?

 

[rokshana]

I understand its harder to match as an IMG, but is possible especially if you are smart and are a good test taker. Whats the problem if I believe that to be true of myself? Why did you go to school in the Carib?

basically the reason people off shore is because they can't get into a USMD school...i waitlisted 2 years in a row...crappy UGPA of 2.7, nevermind that my GGPA was 3.7 and my MCAT a 30 (which a that time was higher than the accepted average of 28), and one of my LoR was from the entire 3rd year medical school class (where i did one of my Masters). There was nothing i could do about that undergrad GPA and I wasn't going to get into a USMD program because of it...applied to DO as well as SGU, Ross, AUC...got into all and went to SGU.

anything is possible...how hard or easy you make that is up to you.

 

[LebronManning]

basically the reason people off shore is because they can't get into a USMD school...i waitlisted 2 years in a row...crappy UGPA of 2.7, nevermind that my GGPA was 3.7 and my MCAT a 30 (which a that time was higher than the accepted average of 28), and one of my LoR was from the entire 3rd year medical school class (where i did one of my Masters). There was nothing i could do about that undergrad GPA and I wasn't going to get into a USMD program because of it...applied to DO as well as SGU, Ross, AUC...got into all and went to SGU.

anything is possible...how hard or easy you make that is up to you.

Exactly, so you are a success story amongst many. Of course im sure you have many anecdotes of those who didn't make it. I think if one studies internationally with honest expectations they can be successful. Above average MCAT is must because it is a good predictor of test performance. Then you have to understand you will be working your tail off for a barebones IM/FM position, which is OK. Some do better im sure. I'm curious: Do you think Australian programs such as UQ-Ochsner would be better than traditional AUS schools like Sydney to get a residency in the US? Also how would SGU compare to these schools in terms of matching?

 

[ThoracicGuy]

Exactly, so you are a success story amongst many. Of course im sure you have many anecdotes of those who didn't make it. I think if one studies internationally with honest expectations they can be successful. Above average MCAT is must because it is a good predictor of test performance. Then you have to understand you will be working your tail off for a barebones IM/FM position, which is OK. Some do better im sure. I'm curious: Do you think Australian programs such as UQ-Ochsner would be better than traditional AUS schools like Sydney to get a residency in the US? Also how would SGU compare to these schools in terms of matching?

While she is a success story and there are others from offshore schools, there is also significant risks of that route. If you are ok with practicing in Australia for the rest of your life, go there for med school. If you know you absolutely want to practice in the US, you should have a goal of med school in the US.

 

[Domperidone]

I’m looking at Sydney Medical school, which is far superior to 95% of US MD schools.

Thanks for trolling.

Or if not. it's extremely naive. Anyway, everyone's already tried to correct your thinking.

If you want to go to Australia, the primary reason should be to stay there.
(but the most common reason for most off-shore students, is because that's only place they can go. even then, jury's out on this one). If you want to practice in the US, your primary goal should be to attend an American school. this isn't an undergraduate degree where rankings between schools of different countries 'matter'-ish. it's great advertising sure. at the bare minimum, it's about familiarity with your own healthcare system or the one you intend to practice in. doesn't matter where you go, the match anywhere will always prefer home grown or home trained local grads. you the system best, put it that way. I don't why I'm trying. I feel this is going to go nowhere fast, so lol. people see what they want to see.

'sydney medical school', there's several different medical schools in sydney, and none go by that name. they're not all the same either in 'ranking'. this doesn't sound like a well thought idea. to be blunt, it just makes you sound like you have no idea what you're talking about.

Oh right, I'm not lying about a desire to help people.
but it's not necessarily a deep thought or the only one - that I have. the Science is a huge draw. I'm just saying when do I really get time to spend all the money it sounds like I should be making. the job (and it's politics) can be such a grind. if there weren't 'nice' things about it, I don't why I'd be doing what I'm doing. Maybe money's nice, but I'd actual feel it, if I had time to spend it. i feel like I don't.

 

[LebronManning]

Thanks for trolling.

Or if not. it's extremely naive. Anyway, everyone's already tried to correct your thinking.

If you want to go to Australia, the primary reason should be to stay there.
(secondary - for most off-shore students, it's because that's only place you can go. even then, jury's out). If you want to practice in the US, your primary goal should be to attend an American school. this isn't an undergraduate degree. at the bare minimum, it's about familiarity with a healthcare system. doesn't matter where you go, the match anywhere will always prefer home grown or home trained local grads. you the system best, put it that way. I don't why I'm trying. I feel this is going to go nowhere fast, so lol. people see what they want to see.

'sydney medical school', there's several different medical schools in sydney, and none go by that name. they're not all the same either. this doesn't sound like a well thought idea. to be blunt, it just makes you sound like you have no idea what you're talking about.

Uhh I don't know what I'm talking about? There's no medical school in sydney that goes by "Sydney Medical School?" Are you trolling or just extremely naive?

Sydney Medical School - The University of Sydney The University of Sydney's Medical School is called Sydney Medical School lol.

Here's world medical school rankings with Sydney Medical School as #15 above schools like Duke, Penn, WUSTL: Medicine

My point is I am completely content in practicing in Australia! I also completely understand that matching into US would still be harder from Sydney Medical School than a podunk US MD school. My point is that SMS is a very esteemed school, and if one does good there, reasonably they will be able to match IM in the states as well. Considering people are matching from the caribbean and worse.

 

[ThoracicGuy]

Uhh I don't know what I'm talking about? There's no medical school in sydney that goes by "Sydney Medical School?" Are you trolling or just extremely naive?

Sydney Medical School - The University of Sydney The University of Sydney's Medical School is called Sydney Medical School lol.

Here's world medical school rankings with Sydney Medical School as #15 above schools like Duke, Penn, WUSTL: Medicine

My point is I am completely content in practicing in Australia! I also completely understand that matching into US would still be harder from Sydney Medical School than a podunk US MD school. My point is that SMS is a very esteemed school, and if one does good there, reasonably they will be able to match IM in the states as well. Considering people are matching from the caribbean and worse.

Who makes these rankings and why should I care? Not many people in the US are familiar with that school, so it doesn't really make much difference.

 

[Domperidone]

lol no one local calls it that. just saying.
it's Usyd.
(or it's UNSW or etc. etc.)
They all generically call themselves Sydney Medical School. because they are schools in sydney ..

it doesn't matter how highly estimated the off-shore school is. that is the point.
most of the current students and alum in the thread I linked will tell you that. going off-shore in order to return to the US should never be the first goal. again, remember that stats are on alum who make it to the point of applying, a lot will either give up (poor commitment from start to finish) and not take the steps or have such poor scores, there was never any point in trying. UQO is a bit different sure, but you won't find anyone in there who picked that as the first place to go. they'll all tell you the same, your first option is the USMDs and USDO schools.

 

[LucidSplash]

I think we should all just stop arguing with the premed who already has all the answers. It is falling on deaf ears because he isn’t interested in anyone else’s experience or opinions beyond those that confirm his existing beliefs. He doesn’t want our help. Thankfully none of us have a personal investment in the outcome of his pursuit. He may or may not match as an IMG and he’s willing to roll the dice because he thinks the stats don’t apply to him. Which is his right to do. Let’s all decamp to threads where we can actually be of assistance to others.

TL; dr: :troll:

 

[LebronManning]

You guys act like I'm saying I prefer Australian schools over US. How many times have I repeated that obviously it is better to go to any US school. This whole thread and the only reason I would go to school in Australia is if I were to not get in to the US. In that case, why the hell not? Worst case I'll be a doc in AUS, but more likely than not I can match into a US IM program. You say the caliber of the international school doesn't matter at all? Come on. Sure it will always be below an american school to PDs, but you don't think they'll prefer USyd or UQO to AUC in the caribbean...or some school in bangladesh.

 

[rokshana]

You guys act like I'm saying I prefer Australian schools over US. How many times have I repeated that obviously it is better to go to any US school. This whole thread and the only reason I would go to school in Australia is if I were to not get in to the US. In that case, why the hell not? Worst case I'll be a doc in AUS, but more likely than not I can match into a US IM program. You say the caliber of the international school doesn't matter at all? Come on. Sure it will always be below an american school to PDs, but you don't think they'll prefer USyd or UQO to AUC in the caribbean...or some school in bangladesh.

frankly no...AUC students again are mostly US citizens...and they do their last 2 year rotating in hospitals in the US (in many places alongside US MD students)...they know the US healthcare system far better than any person going to school in some foreign country that gets little to no exposure to the US system...and I would bet goo money that any given time there are more AUC grads in the US system than all the Australian schools combined.

and since my father graduated from Dhaka Medical School and somehow managed to get a urology residency in the US and trained under Dr. Mahaffey in Louisville before that...i think his education from "some school in Bangladesh" (though it was East Pakistan at the time) was deemed to be pretty decent.

Jesus....some people...just diggin' the hole deeper and deeper...

 

[LebronManning]

frankly no...AUC students again are mostly US citizens...and they do their last 2 year rotating in hospitals in the US (in many places alongside US MD students)...they know the US healthcare system far better than any person going to school in some foreign country that gets little to no exposure to the US system...and I would bet goo money that any given time there are more AUC grads in the US system than all the Australian schools combined.

and since my father graduated from Dhaka Medical School and somehow managed to get a urology residency in the US and trained under Dr. Mahaffey in Louisville before that...i think his education from "some school in Bangladesh" (though it was East Pakistan at the time) was deemed to be pretty decent.

Jesus....some people...just diggin' the hole deeper and deeper...

Here’s the problem. You’re not here to engage in discussion or inform someone that admits they know less than you. You’re here for a pissing contest. My dad went to med school in India, so of course I know I medical education is quite decent pretty much everywhere. And by the logic you just said than UQ-O should be the best choice when choosing international. Way better than any Caribbean school with 2 years in US and a 97% match rate for everyone who starts the program, not just those who make it to 4th year.

 

[rokshana]

since the original question of this thread had long been answered, gutonc, can we close this thread (mostly to keep me from coming back...i know, i know...).

 

[NotAProgDirector]

I am honestly surprised that this discussion has become so contentious.

Everyone agrees that getting a US residency is much easier if you go to a US medical school.

If the OP is an AUS citizen and goes to the Univ of Sidney, they will have the option of trying to match in the US or continue training in AUS.

Coming from an Australiam medical school, if the OP does well on the USMLE exam their chances of getting an average or mid competitive spot in the US is decent. This would be greatly enhanced by US clinical experience in their final year. A good question to ask is whether the Univ of Sidney (or Sidney Medical School, call it what you will) allows students to rotate in the US in their final year, and where. There is some chance that the school may allow students to rotate at academic US programs -- I could imagine that some US schools might want to offer their students rotations in Australia, and hence might be open to outside rotators. 2-3 months of US rotations at a US medical school with LORs + good USMLE scores would greatly improve your chances.

The carib / UQ schools have built in US experience, but often at community based sites.

Bottom line: it's a totally reasonable plan. US school always a better choice if you want to practice in the US. Since practicing in AUS would be an option, there's already a built in Plan B.

Whether PD's prefer AUS vs Carib vs other IMG's is a completely arbitrary, local decision. Programs will differ, and generalizations are not helpful.

EDIT: in all of this mess, forgot to answer the OP's actual first question. Yes, NY State limits you to 12 weeks of training in NY. That's because USyd is not on the NY approved list. UQ is, so UQ students can do as much work in NY as they want. This has nothing to do with the quality of the schools -- I expect USyd hasn't actually applied for NY approval since few students would go this pathway. This would only be an issue for NY licensure. Cali has similarly strict rules. All of the other states (that I know of) won't care much. But 12 weeks is probably enough anyway, and if you did part in NY and part in another state it bypasses the issue completely.

 

[gutonc]

Closing since this has gotten so off track and contentious.

 

[NotAProgDirector]

One more post, sorry.

I totally missed the OP's initial question, which was whether there were any rules regarding experince in NY. The answer is yes. NY state only allows you to do 12 weeks of training in NY, unless your school is on the approved list. UQ is on the approved list, USyd is not -- not because it's a bad school, but because they probably didn't go through the process of getting approval since few students follow this path. You can read all about it here: NYS Medicine:License Requirements Look under "clinical clerkships". You'll need to complete some extra paperwork if you apply for an NY license. If you work in any other state, it won't matter (although Cali also has some strict rules).