Can I beat the system? HELP

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Ok so I want to go to dental school and my GPA suck like 2.0 science and 3.2 academic. I was wondering though all the pre-reqs I took at the community college my science GPA is a 3.3 which is well above the average for some schools. When I transfered to UC I messed up my GPA big time. So I was wondering should I just go back to school at a cal state and get like a sociology degree keep my science GPA high and do well in my other courses and then apply with that degree instead of the one from my UC school. Would that work???? I mean a science GPA of 3.3, overalls of 3.4 with a DAT of 20/17 and a sociology degree should be enough to get into somewhere right. This is better than wasting my time doing any time of post-bac trying to bring up a 2.0 gpa.??? WHAT YOU GUYS THINK
 
ashman said:
Ok so I want to go to dental school and my GPA suck like 2.0 science and 3.2 academic. I was wondering though all the pre-reqs I took at the community college my science GPA is a 3.3 which is well above the average for some schools. When I transfered to UC I messed up my GPA big time. So I was wondering should I just go back to school at a cal state and get like a sociology degree keep my science GPA high and do well in my other courses and then apply with that degree instead of the one from my UC school. Would that work???? I mean a science GPA of 3.3, overalls of 3.4 with a DAT of 20/17 and a sociology degree should be enough to get into somewhere right. This is better than wasting my time doing any time of post-bac trying to bring up a 2.0 gpa.??? WHAT YOU GUYS THINK
I suggest you aim higher than 20/17. Study for DAT like your life depends on it.

You really need to get >21 on every section of DAT.

Just bring your overall and science GPA as high as possible. The national average for the admitted was 3.2 the last time I checked.

But it's been rising steadily since then so just have "DDS" plastered on your Desktop and keep yourself motivated.

Study like your whole life depends on it.

Put yourself in the Admissions Committee's shoes and try to work things out.

And keep those questions comin'.
 
Yep, it'd probably work, just cheat yourself into dental school.

Nevermind the rest of us who actually worked to get into school.
 
If you're looking for the OK from us to be an underhanded little weasel, don't expect to find too many willing supporters here. You're just competition because you've demonstrated an obvious ethics problem by even considering doing what you've suggested. If one of us loses a spot to someone, it would be nice to know that it's going to someone who beat us fairly, not someone who can't own up to his failings and overcome them.

Now if you want to do this the honest and decent way, and are asking for our help, I will be more than willing to support you in that endeavour. We all screw up, we all fall....what seperates the men from the boys is simply how high we bounce when we hit bottom.
 
you guys are right maybe I should just take the DAT one more time and try to get like 23/20 that might raise someone's eyebrows at some school. I mean it sucks you know you start off so good then fall its hard to get back up ill take more science classes at college and try to raise it up to a 2.7 with a 3.3 overall averages out to a 3.0, thanks and I was just wondering.
 
Go for it. Like I said, if you want to play fair, I'll support you in any way I can.
 
yea it does suck. But, you made your bed and now you have to sleep in it. Trust me, once you get it together and maybe retake some classes and do well on the DAT then you will feel 100% better because you'll know that yo did it for yourself and you did it fair and square. By thinking of doing it any other way is telling yourself your not good enough.
 
What you doing is not considering cheating the system. It's not like you are hacking into the school and changing your grades. You are taking the classes just as any other student would take it. You have proved your competency by your above average DAT scores. If you can get both of your GPA up to what you have mentioned, with that DAT score, you have a very good shot of entering dental school.
 
he's not "cheating the system", he's just applying with a bad GPA. Read the post "breaking down the admissions" process, there's a paragraph for gimped-GPA'ers like us. Or search through for the sub 3.0 GPA club on here.
 
ashman said:
So I was wondering should I just go back to school at a cal state and get like a sociology degree keep my science GPA high and do well in my other courses and then apply with that degree instead of the one from my UC school. Would that work???? This is better than wasting my time doing any time of post-bac trying to bring up a 2.0 gpa.??? WHAT YOU GUYS THINK

We'll since you are required to list all grades and schools you have attended, regardless if you didn't like the grades you received, I really don't understand your question. If your implying that you get another degree and just don't list all of your low gpa classes, you had better hope that you don't get caught as I'm sure doing so would black-list you from any and all schools that learned of your lie.
 
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mvs04 said:
he's not "cheating the system", he's just applying with a bad GPA. Read the post "breaking down the admissions" process, there's a paragraph for gimped-GPA'ers like us. Or search through for the sub 3.0 GPA club on here.

Perhaps you sould read his post more carefully. He is talking about "cheating the system" and lying to better his chances of getting into dental school.
 
ashman said:
Ok so I want to go to dental school and my GPA suck like 2.0 science and 3.2 academic. I was wondering though all the pre-reqs I took at the community college my science GPA is a 3.3 which is well above the average for some schools. When I transfered to UC I messed up my GPA big time. So I was wondering should I just go back to school at a cal state and get like a sociology degree keep my science GPA high and do well in my other courses and then apply with that degree instead of the one from my UC school. Would that work???? I mean a science GPA of 3.3, overalls of 3.4 with a DAT of 20/17 and a sociology degree should be enough to get into somewhere right. This is better than wasting my time doing any time of post-bac trying to bring up a 2.0 gpa.??? WHAT YOU GUYS THINK

hey ashman....what a pretty pathetic post. First of all, you gotta ask yourself....if you had a 2.0 in university and a 3.3 at a community college, do you think you are intelligent enough to goto dental school??? Cause a 2.0 is a pretty pathetic Science GPA, and Im sorry but taking courses at a community college isnt that hard, and adcoms know this.

So dont think that by showing adcoms that you have a 3.3 from a community college, you are in with no problems....Community Colleges are not considered equivalent to Universities and once they see your grades from university, you probably wont get accepted.

You want my true advice?? Stop trying to cheat the system cause you're not gonna win and pick another profession.
 
ashman,

it is required that you list all of your courses, regardless if you did get a degree from the school or not--which means even the 2.0 science from UC would have to stay. technically, if you did leave it out, they probably won't catch you, but on the off chance that they do, it's a big chance to take. plus, it just isn't ethical.

on the other note, a 2.0 from UC is too low. at the same time, a 3.3 from a community college really doesn't mean much, and it's also too low for community college (it may be high compared to most of the accepted students, but you have to remember that the vast majority are from universities). even if you have a 3.8 from community college, you might still have problems with acceptances (especially if you're applying to cali schools, as they are mad competitive). so your only choices now is to either stay at UC and raise the GPA as much as possible, or go back to community college and get a 4.0. either way, you will have to retake the DATs to get an exceptional score.
 
You guys need to mellow out cause I just talked to several schools and they opened files on me to track my progress I dont need to do nada but take upper division science classes at a uni and get A's so whas up now. And for the guy that told me to choose another profession, ill break your teeth then charge you a grip to fix them punk, put it to the books ill take you out (I just chose to bone throughout my uni years) just letting go of the stress ya know. LATA fools no one is going to cheat no system but the system itself so yall can just eat a d i c k, for hatin.
 
ashman said:
You guys need to mellow out cause I just talked to several schools and they opened files on me to track my progress I dont need to do nada but take upper division science classes at a uni and get A's so whas up now. And for the guy that told me to choose another profession, ill break your teeth then charge you a grip to fix them punk, put it to the books ill take you out (I just chose to bone throughout my uni years) just letting go of the stress ya know. LATA fools no one is going to cheat no system but the system itself so yall can just eat a d i c k, for hatin.



Sounds like a nice guy.
 
i don't think he's getting in to dental school anytime soon.

i mean... he had a 3.3 at a community college and halfway bragged about it :laugh:
 
ashman said:
You guys need to mellow out cause I just talked to several schools and they opened files on me to track my progress I dont need to do nada but take upper division science classes at a uni and get A's so whas up now. And for the guy that told me to choose another profession, ill break your teeth then charge you a grip to fix them punk, put it to the books ill take you out (I just chose to bone throughout my uni years) just letting go of the stress ya know. LATA fools no one is going to cheat no system but the system itself so yall can just eat a d i c k, for hatin.

Ash,

Welcome to SDN! Hope you stick around because there is so much to learn here.

I imagine that someone suggesting you consider other career options probobly seemed a little insulting to you. Sometimes when you are trying to reach a goal it seems like you are just jumping through hoops that have no meaning. But in reality, each of the current requirements for getting accepted to dental school shows a part of an applicants character that is necessary to be a good practitioner, not just some random number.

I have talked with people on admissions commitees who have said that the real reason that they shy away from applicants with low gpa's is because once those students are in dental school, they fail out. Do you know how terrible it would be to fail out your second year of school, with no employable skills and $50-75K in debt? That would suck! Why do they fail out? Because they have not developed the dedication, commitment, and skills needed to comprehend the vast amount of information that one needs to become a dentist. It's just that simple. If you can barely pass undergrad classes, you will have an even more difficult time passing dental classes. I'm not knocking you down, I'm just telling the truth. If you want to continue a career in dentistry you are going to need to learn how to learn. Which, contrary to popular beleif isn't as easy as it sounds. I hear so many people say, "I could be an A student if I just tried harder, I just don't want to". Believe me, getting good grades is more than just effort, it is strategies and skills, that cannot be turned on-and-off at will.

So far your academic record shows that you haven't "learned how to learn" yet. In your own words you don't sound like you are very committed to academics or your future career. Instead striving to perform well in your classes and saying "I worked my butt off to do well in O-chem" you say that your real goal was to "bone through my uni years." It's fine that you have spent some enjoyable years sleeping around and partying. If you want to be a professional than you need to act like one. From your own self description you don't really sound like you have the self discipline or commitment to survive 4 years of dental school handling 25 credits a semester. Do you really think with your track record you have proved that you can handle that?

On the other hand, there are a host of pre-dents here on SDN who have made great sacrafices to prepare themselves for dental school. There are lots of pre-dents here who wanted to go out and party during undergrad, but had the commitment and the discipline to force themselves to study. Like me, you know how many times my friends would tell me, "We're going to a party, put your books down", and I just had to resist the temptation because I knew what I wanted. I think you might consider how arrogant it seems for you (in your current situation) to disrespect those who have paid the price to get where they are.
 
ashman said:
You guys need to mellow out cause I just talked to several schools and they opened files on me to track my progress I dont need to do nada but take upper division science classes at a uni and get A's so whas up now. And for the guy that told me to choose another profession, ill break your teeth then charge you a grip to fix them punk, put it to the books ill take you out (I just chose to bone throughout my uni years) just letting go of the stress ya know. LATA fools no one is going to cheat no system but the system itself so yall can just eat a d i c k, for hatin.

Your a tool. Have a nice life :laugh:
 
Not reporting all schools attended would eliminated your chances of ever getting into dental school. They can very easily verify if you've provided a complete academic history. http://www.studentclearinghouse.org/
If you don't and they find out, you're done. Put in two years at a university getting a second degree or masters with a 3.5 or better and do well on the DAT (anything above a 20/20/20). There are plenty of schools that realize students make mistakes and are willing to forgive them if they see a strong upward trend. If you really want to do this, do it the right way.
 
ashman said:
You guys need to mellow out cause I just talked to several schools and they opened files on me to track my progress I dont need to do nada but take upper division science classes at a uni and get A's so whas up now.
Dude, in case you are not aware every dental school will tell every sub-par applicant to take post-bacc sci classes and get A's, as this will improve your chances, but it in no way ensures you a spot in any dental school.

And as far as gettin' mad at everyone and startin' with all the profanity, what did you expect? Most of us here have worked hard to get where we're at and sure every one can have bad class or two, or maybe even a semester but a 2.0.......?

Keep cheatin' your way to the top and some day when people question your work and ability you can just whip out a few choice profanities and that will make it all better.

Not that you won't get in some day but perhaps you should start making back-up plans.
 
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msf, well said. and i agree with what the others posted also. in addition, ashman you make it sound like you "just have to take upper div courses at a uni and get A's" like that is so easy. trust me it is quite difficult to get As in upper level science classes especially if you are not used to studying hard.
 
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