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I was wondering given:

Top 10 medical school in the Northeast
Step 1: 244/99
Grades: Non-AOA and No Hs 3rd year
Research: 1 publication

What are my chances at these programs?

Brigham
MGH
BID
Stanford
UCLA
UCSF

Thanks.
 
maybe the no honors in 3rd year might hurt a little.
but very good step scores
nice school
 
socal4life said:
I was wondering given:

Top 10 medical school in the Northeast
Step 1: 244/99
Grades: Non-AOA and No Hs 3rd year
Research: 1 publication

What are my chances at these programs?
Thanks.

Northeast, you say? Yeah, I don't know. If it were Southwest, you might've had a chance. Also, that publication is bound to bring you down. Any chance you could get that stricken from your record?
 
socal4life said:
I was wondering given:

Top 10 medical school in the Northeast
Step 1: 244/99
Grades: Non-AOA and No Hs 3rd year
Research: 1 publication

What are my chances at these programs?

Brigham
MGH
BID
Stanford
UCLA
UCSF

Thanks.

Coming from the Northeast you should have very little problem getting interviews at all those schools. If your school is top 10, then you should have no problem getting your top choices. Here are my stats:
USMLE Step I: 245
USMLE STEP II CS: Passed
USMLE Step II CK: 250
Not AOA at Top 20 school in the South
Basic Science: Mostly Pass, some honors
Honors: every core rotation except HP in pediatrics
3 research publications (first author), 2 clinical papers (middle author)
No away rotations

I didn't get interviews from BWH, JHU and MGH; I interviewed and ranked UCSF, Stanford, UCLA, BID, but matched much lower on my rank list.
 
First off, although BID is a very fine program, is no where near in the same class as the other programs on your list. Being "affiliated with HMS" doesn't automatically confer elite status. Take a look at their fellowship match list. It is good, but no where near as impressive as MGH or Brigham.

when you are applying to the top residency programs, your med school doesn't carry as much weight as you might think. All of the pograms you listed aim to attract the top candidates from each school, even "lower-ranked" schools. MGH, for example, wants people who have excelled no matter what the circumstance, who have utilized every possible resource at their disposal, however limited those reources are. Just look at their website at the incoming 1st year class. They can certainly fill their class with students from Harvard, Hopkins, UCSF, Duke, Penn, etc, but instead there is a good mix of schools represented. The small advantage of the better name school would only come into play if 2 people had identical applications and identical interview scores.

Also, Board scores can certainly help, but they are much less important in IM than other fields (ortho, Derm, etc). IM is a really patient care-oriented field and residencies want proof that a candidate is good at patient care. For that, they look at 3rd year grades. Not to bring ya down, but for IM, I would say that the most important part of the application is the IM clerkship grade. Just look at the Stanford website...the actually say that excellence in IM is sought after in their applicants. This is how it was for the people who matched at the programs on your list from my med school this year (not great board scores, not top ten school, but amazing clinical record.)

Honestly, I think you will have a difficult time at the very top places, unless you have done something really amazing to distinguish yourself somehow (eg. groundbreaking, renowned research...not just a publication). Unless, one of the residencies that you are looking at is affiliated with you med school, then you have a huge advantage because programs traditionally love to take their own.

Sorry I couldn't be more positive. Take a chance, though...ya never know what little detail someone might see in your application that gets you in somewhere. Best of luck.
 
MSIV said:
First off, although BID is a very fine program, is no where near in the same class as the other programs on your list. Being "affiliated with HMS" doesn't automatically confer elite status. Take a look at their fellowship match list. It is good, but no where near as impressive as MGH or Brigham.

when you are applying to the top residency programs, your med school doesn't carry as much weight as you might think. All of the pograms you listed aim to attract the top candidates from each school, even "lower-ranked" schools. MGH, for example, wants people who have excelled no matter what the circumstance, who have utilized every possible resource at their disposal, however limited those reources are. Just look at their website at the incoming 1st year class. They can certainly fill their class with students from Harvard, Hopkins, UCSF, Duke, Penn, etc, but instead there is a good mix of schools represented. The small advantage of the better name school would only come into play if 2 people had identical applications and identical interview scores.

Also, Board scores can certainly help, but they are much less important in IM than other fields (ortho, Derm, etc). IM is a really patient care-oriented field and residencies want proof that a candidate is good at patient care. For that, they look at 3rd year grades. Not to bring ya down, but for IM, I would say that the most important part of the application is the IM clerkship grade. Just look at the Stanford website...the actually say that excellence in IM is sought after in their applicants. This is how it was for the people who matched at the programs on your list from my med school this year (not great board scores, not top ten school, but amazing clinical record.)

Honestly, I think you will have a difficult time at the very top places, unless you have done something really amazing to distinguish yourself somehow (eg. groundbreaking, renowned research...not just a publication). Unless, one of the residencies that you are looking at is affiliated with you med school, then you have a huge advantage because programs traditionally love to take their own.

Sorry I couldn't be more positive. Take a chance, though...ya never know what little detail someone might see in your application that gets you in somewhere. Best of luck.

i agree that 3rd year grades are probably the most weighted factor in applications. i know strong applicants that had phd's who didn't get interviews at stanford and ucsf.
 
I'll throw my $0.02 in here. The residency interview process, particularly in IM is pretty random. I have a PhD, decent Step 1 score (I took it before most of you started med school) a HP average in pre-clinical, Honors average in clerkships, AOA, 3 2nd author papers and 2 first authors in press at application time.

I got interviews at MGH (but not BI), U Chicago (but not Northwestern), UCSF and UCLA (but not Stanford or UCSD), Cornell and Mt. Sinai (but not NYU or Columbia), Hopkins but not Duke. You get the picture. Totally freakin' random as near as I can tell.

So what's my advice? Apply everywhere you want to go and twice as many other programs. Go to as many interviews as you can stomach/afford and make as informed of a decision as you can. You lose essentially nothing in the application process (the most expensive apps are $15/program plus the energy it takes for about 8 mouse clicks) and you can tailor your interview schedule to match where you feel you'll match once you start getting interviews. And when all is said and done, you may end up like me, ranking #1 and matching to a program that, before you started applying you assumed would be in your top 20 but not top 10.

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