Can ODs Perform LASIK???

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Does anyone know if ODs are allowed to perform Lasix surgery?

I had heard some states allowed this after additional training.

Please post any valid info you may know on this subject?
 
OD's can not use lasers yet, give it 6-8 years. Oklahoma OD's can perform an old vision correction procedure, but it is not used much. There is an OD residency in refractive surgery, but it is training in pre and post surgery, not the actual procedure.

I actually fear the day OD's do lasik. I can see the neon sign at ShopKo now, "We'll Zap you for $99.99!" Let's face it, there are a lot of shlock OD's out there. That type will do the surgery for near nothing and do a piss-poor job. It will compromise the patient's safty and the reputation of all doctors. When OD's are allowed to perform lasik (I do mean WHEN), I pray there is a 2-3 year residence with it. This will discourage some money hungery OD's from doing it, and help weed-out those who shouldn't being in an OR. The procedure could easily be taught in a 3 day weekend, but there needs to be some discouragment to prevent every OD from doing it.


Re-reading my post, I think I sound like an OD hating idiot. Clearly this is not so since I will be one in 4 years, yea! Coming from a family with an OD, I have seen the dark side of the profession and some of the horrible OD's out there, and on the same note, some of the great ones. Just like the MD's out there, there are some we could deal w/o. MD/DO's are not allowed to perform lasik right out of school, and neither should OD's. My purposed residence would help qualify OD's to do it, and weed-out those that should not.

To answer your question...no.🙂
 
The bottom line is this. LASIK is a surgical procedure that should only be done by a surgeon. If you want to perform LASIK or any other ophthalmic surgical procedure...become an ophthalmologist....Am I the only person who gets it?? Why does this nonsensical post always seem to pop up. There already is a profession in place to handle eye surgery. It's called ophthalmology. Perhaps you heard about it, but decided against it for whatever reason. I have no respect for you or your pathetic post.


Jason Park MS-IV
NSU-COM
 
*Eyegirl tries to pull JPNSU off soapbox but fails*🙄

Let's let everyone express their opinions, shall we?

Lay off rpames! Us ICO brats stick together😎
 
Originally posted by Eyegirl2k7
*Eyegirl tries to pull JPNSU off soapbox but fails*🙄

Let's let everyone express their opinions, shall we?

Lay off rpames! Us ICO brats stick together😎

My opinions? I am stating facts. Perhaps, you should remove your sunglasses. They have made you "blind." I think you need some LASIK. Go to your nearest Pearle Vision Center and ask for the Blue Light Special.😀
 
Jason,
I don't think anyone in this post has said OD's should being using lasers. I suggest a possible future, but I did not say it was the right future, in fact I conveyed my fears.

The original poster just asked a question, "Can OD's perform Lasik?" It was not, "Why can't they?" It was, "CAN they?"

With holding back on my feelings?I have absolutely no respect for you and you arrogant attitude. In fact, I have nothing but complete contempt (disdain, hatred, disgust, scorn, repulsion, derision, loathing) for your soul. Anyone that jumps in to a forum and attacks a poster without actually reading the post is nothing more than a seeping pustule!

Have a nice day and put your keyboard where only a proctologist would find it.



(I apologize if I broke any SDN guidelines.)
 
back to your corners folks... let's not make people go to time out! 🙄 😎 😉
 
Whether the original poster said can they or can't they is irrelevant. It is a growing concern that a large number of you people who go into optometry are hoping that one day laws will be passed to allow you to perform surgical procedures that you are neither adequately trained or meant to perform. So go ahead and jeopardize patient well being to make yourself some more money. As for a proposed plan of implementing surgical residencies for ODs...That is a complete joke. :laugh: Why in the world would the government allow that when there is already a projected surplus of ophthalmologists?

Also, right before you slice into a patient's cornea with the micokeratome and blast it with an excimer laser...tell them you didn't go to medical school and you are not a surgeon...I'm sure they wouldn't mind...after all it looks so easy...right?

Jason Park MS-IV
NSU-COM

As an aside, I do respect the field of optometry and ODs in general. What I do not have respect for are the few who try to exploit their own profession for their own financial gain.

Leave the school yard threats out. They make you look ridiculous. I'll do my best to feel scared if it makes you feel better.😀
 
JP-

I would have thought with you attending a DO school that you would be more open-minded to other health professions expanding their scope of practice. After all, isn't that what osteopaths have done. Sure as it stands right now, optometrists are not qualified to perform surg. procedures, but that is only because there isn't any formal training.

If you want to talk about looking ridiculous....just read your own posts. you come on the optometry site thinking your somehow superior. Just curious how you respond to allopaths who think they are superior to you because you attend a DO school?
 
Jason,
Have you read my first post yet? I expressed my concern and in fact appear to be anti-OD surgery. Do you have reading comprehension problems?

I agree that ophthalmologist are the surgeons, and OD's are the primary care provider. In my post, I in no way expressed a pro-surgical opinion that OD's should be surgeons. I did say they will be using lasers soon. That is not an opinion, but rather a fairly well informed guess at the future. My fear is that OD's will be given those surgical rights without proper training, the same fear you have expressed. I suggested further training that may qualify them to perform the procedure.

You and I have some of the same fears in this battle, but you are picking fights where no fight should have been fought. You posted an attacking post without understanding what has been talked about. I responded to your ridiculous post in anger and disgust that a well educated person would jump to such a conclusion, and then attack those who posted before. Perhaps you need to re-evaluate your actions before you act on them. And perhaps so should I. I need to control my anger toward other people?s action, and you need to express your concerns without attacking people.

Please give some thought to your next post.

-Ryan-
 
Opthomologists also provide primary care. They aren't "just surgeons." They can and do provide for all eye care.
 
Originally posted by Werry
Opthomologists also provide primary care. They aren't "just surgeons." They can and do provide for all eye care.

yes, but now a days most OMD's (in my experience) are getting into more surgery and relying more and more on OD's for the primary care. Many OMD's are hiring OD's to do the primary care in their practices so they can keep doing the surgery that they're trained to do. But no, they aren't just surgeons. that's just where we tend to show the distinction between the OD and the OMD.
 
I understand ophthalmologist provide primary care sometimes, but CPW is correct, they mostly are performing surgery. OD's provide over 70% of the primary eye care. I was speaking in general.
 
Jhawk, there IS a formal training program for O.D.'s who want to do ophthamological surgery. It's called med school!!! If you want to do surgery, choose a career path that will allow that. It would be pointless to waste all those resources on training ODs to do lasik. Why don't we also train general surgeons to do root canals? Or nurses to do C-sections. Because it's wasteful and unnecessary.

Our scientific/medical knowledge base is becoming so vast and complex that we need to train health professionals to operate within a fairly specific area. Clinical competency can only extend so far; scope of practice must be limited to protect patients. And as our knowledge base expands, the only way we will be able to maintain the current level of expert care is through specialization - not increased generalization!!!
 
I don't remember JHawk.. or any other OD student on this thread for that matter saying they want to perform surgery. The OP was only asking if ODs can apply to OMD residencys. Which, in my opinion.. is a VERY valid question!
 
Sure as it stands right now, optometrists are not qualified to perform surg. procedures, but that is only because there isn't any formal training.



Please give me (1) valid reason to train optometrists as surgical eye specialists when there are already ophthalmologists to do the job? Please enlighten me with your logic.[
 
JP-

Why don't you address my entire post and then I would be happy to debate.
 
Well, let's see...I have a friend who went to Columbia P&S and is now at Barrow doing neurosurgery...another one who went to Wayne State and is now at William Beaumont doing ophthalmology...another who went to Tufts and is now doing Radiology at Tufts...has the issue ever came up about the whole MD/DO thing?? not once...why? DOs have done spine surgery and skull base surgery fellowships at Barrow...the friend at Willaim Beaumont has a DO colleague doing a glaucoma fellowship with her...the friend doing Rads at Tufts has a DO as the chief of cardiovascular and interventional radiology...would you like any more examples?
 
So, you have friend DOs who have done well for themselves. Great for them. The fact remains that many DOs are looked down upon by their MD counterparts in many parts of the country. As far as I am concerned, DOs are just as qualified as MDs. My main question for you though is about expanding the scope of practice for health professionals. It wasn't too long that DOs were considered by many to practice alt. medicine. Yet, now they are mainstream. Why are you so against optometrists expanding their scope of practice. As I said before, DOs have successully expanded their scope, so why not other health pros?
 
Originally posted by JHawk623
So, you have friend DOs who have done well for themselves. Great for them. The fact remains that many DOs are looked down upon by their MD counterparts in many parts of the country. As far as I am concerned, DOs are just as qualified as MDs. My main question for you though is about expanding the scope of practice for health professionals. It wasn't too long that DOs were considered by many to practice alt. medicine. Yet, now they are mainstream. Why are you so against optometrists expanding their scope of practice. As I said before, DOs have successully expanded their scope, so why not other health pros?

The fact of the matter is that you and I both know that there are clear and concise definitions regarding the job descriptions of an optometrist and ophthalmologist. If you had any inclination that you wanted to be an eye surgeon you knew what you had to do. Instead, you chose to become an optometrist. It makes absolutely no sense to me to provide additional training for ODs to perform surgery. The surgical specialty of ophthalmology already exists. So the only motivating factor I can see for ODs to obtain rights to perform surgery is money. That is what I don't respect. It cheapens and trivializes your profession IMHO. I know the vast majority of ODs are happy with what they do and do not want anything to do with surgery. However, it is the few who do that give your profession as a whole a bad reputation in the medical community.
 
A lot of the money thing may be true, but you need to look at the issue with a wide angle lens. If you want to see money hungry, look at the ophth with the billboards and the huge advertising campaigns on TV and radio telling you how great lasik is. There plenty of things they don't tell you. I'm not bashing ophth, just asking you to understand the money issues goes both ways.

Now let us look at the OD side. Yes, ODs are not surgeons, if you wanted to perform surgery medical or osteopathic school was the way to go. But look at where to OD is standing, they see the ophth making thousands on a 11 second procedure. My father (an OD) does co-management with several ophth and spends a lot more time with the patient then the ophth. My dad does the pre-surgical visits and the multiple post-surgical visits. The ophth then send my dad a check for a few hundred dollars (I'm not sure exactly) and the ophth banks over a thousand. Look at the time the two spent with the patient, my dad = 2 hrs+, the ophth = 11 sec. I know I'm cutting the time of the entire procedure down a lot, but you get my point. I also understand the other costs such as the OR and the laser, but the MD/DO banks a lot more.

The ODs see this vast gap and say, "I could do that." In reality, they very well could and I hope you understand this. I?m not saying they should, just that I understand where they are coming from.

For the record: My father has not expressed any desire to perform lasik. He was just my example.
 
Originally posted by cpw
oh goody.. another DO vs MD vs OD debate.. my favorite.. 🙄

No kidding!

You all should just shut up and go away. Optometry is not a semi-ophthalmology career; both professions have different duties and responsibilities in the health field. In my opinion, optometrists shouldn't perform surgery, if anyone wants to do so, he/she should go to med school. But I don?t think that was the original argument here.

The ophthalmology vs. optometry stupid argument will go on forever, and you won't solve it here! As for the med students, I believe you are wasting your time, because it?s not like you are going to change our minds or anything, right? We'll be around for a long while, and there is nothing you can do about it.

This site is open for different professions to come together and discuss issues that will benefit all the parties involved (as most people did on the "ophthalmology or optometry?" thread, on the ophthalmology forum) If you med students have something good to say, say it, if not, I think you don't belong around here.

+pissed+
 
This has been an interesting debate. Rampes, you are right the optometrist with training could learn to do this procedure, however, with training a PA, NP, RN, DC, or Optician could learn to do the job of an optometrist.

My opinion is that OD should not be a doctorate degree. Right up there with podiatry, and chiropractic. These professions could be completed with less education and would help bring down the cost of healtcare in general.

Again, just my 0pinion. Sounds like the psychologists trying to get in to having prescription writing privileges.

Bottom line, if you want to do these procedures, go back to medical school.

Just my Opinion.

FuturePA😱
 
Going to medical school to do the procedures has been the over ridding theme from all of us. As far as OD not being a doctoral degree. It does take 8 years to get that degree. The training an OD gets is very extensive, worthy of a Dr infront of the name. Are you saying a PhD is not a Dr. I know a couple PhDs who got the PhD in only 3 years after undergrad.

As far as training all the other medical professionals to due what an OD does...of course, with training. I get your point, with training the PA or RN... would be then become an OD. Of course that is with at least 2 more years for a PA, 4 more for an RN, and for the love of god, 6 more for an optician.

We could cut the cost of healthcare by trainging ODs less, and who cares if we compromise patient saftey and care. Refraction is only part of what ODs do. They check pathology, remove forien bodies, treat glacoma, diabetic retinopathy,...the list goes on and on! Many of the chain store ODs only do refraction, but those who practice in private or in a group do so much more than just write lens Rxs.
 
Holy crap!!!!!

Since I started this thread, I am hoping everyone will not mind me thowing in my two cents.

Ok, I have to agree that ODs should under no circumstances perform, train to perform, or even continue to talk about doing laser surgery...the reason it is called surgery is b/c it entails performing an irreversible procedure, which ODs are not allowed to perform.

Rpames, I must say your thoughts on your father seeing what the MDs make and saying hey, I can do this also, are obsured. Those comments really made me step back and ask why he, or other ODs, really want to perform LASIK???? It sounds like for money, which makes my stomach turn; hopefully I am just reading your comments the wrong way.

Anyway, he chose OD not MD and if he wants to perform surgery then let him go to med school and go through a 5-6 year optho residency; yes, 9-10 years instead of 4 like ODs are required to do. How many OD students do you know that would go through a 5-6 year SURGICAL residency, after OD school, working 100+ hours/wk for approx 40k/yr?....this just does not fit the idea of the lifestyle most OD students wish to have.

Now all you ODs out there please do not gang up on me. But ODs basically have NO idea what the optho guys go through. Have you ever been in the OR/ER repairing a ZMC Fx with an orbital blowout? No! Will you ever? No!

Your job in society is an important one and you should be thrilled to be needed so much. Hell, I do not go to an optho for my eyeglass prescription, I go to an OD. Why? B/C you guys specialize in this and know how to do the job better than anyone else.

I have had this conversation with my brother who is in OD school and the conversation always goes like we have seen here. I was hoping to see if there were differing opinions amoung other OD students. If any of you OD students would truly be exposed to the education of a med-student and then an opthalmologist, you would never even consider that ODs should perform surgical procedures. You too would think this is crazy.

Honestly, how many OD students out there applied to medschool also and were excepted to both??? If you guys want to do LASIK then quit OD school now and go to medschool. Have the courage to say you made a mistake and then set forth a path to rectify it. You hopefully knew what your profession's job was in society and now it seems as though you want to make the rules fit your idea of what an OD should do.

My orginal post was just to see if anyone knew of any new legislation or coming issues that pertain to this subject. I have found out a great deal about what OD students really think about their profession.

And although I do not want to, I agree with JPNSU when he stated you are hurting your profession by wanting to be something you are not, surgeons!

Be proud of what optometry represents and work to improve patient's occular health in the way you know how to best.
 
Originally posted by rpames
A lot of the money thing may be true, but you need to look at the issue with a wide angle lens. If you want to see money hungry, look at the ophth with the billboards and the huge advertising campaigns on TV and radio telling you how great lasik is. There plenty of things they don't tell you. I'm not bashing ophth, just asking you to understand the money issues goes both ways.

Now let us look at the OD side. Yes, ODs are not surgeons, if you wanted to perform surgery medical or osteopathic school was the way to go. But look at where to OD is standing, they see the ophth making thousands on a 11 second procedure. My father (an OD) does co-management with several ophth and spends a lot more time with the patient then the ophth. My dad does the pre-surgical visits and the multiple post-surgical visits. The ophth then send my dad a check for a few hundred dollars (I'm not sure exactly) and the ophth banks over a thousand. Look at the time the two spent with the patient, my dad = 2 hrs+, the ophth = 11 sec. I know I'm cutting the time of the entire procedure down a lot, but you get my point. I also understand the other costs such as the OR and the laser, but the MD/DO banks a lot more.

The ODs see this vast gap and say, "I could do that." In reality, they very well could and I hope you understand this. I?m not saying they should, just that I understand where they are coming from.

For the record: My father has not expressed any desire to perform lasik. He was just my example.

I think there is a difference between marketing your services because you have earned the right to do so through attending medical school, becoming a physician, matching into an ophthalmology residency, and completing a 4 year surgical residency versus perverting your own profession for the hope of one day gaining a "backdoor" into performing surgical procedures where you have neither the adequate training or experience. Besides, faced with the facts...who do you think the patient would rather see?
 
rpames,

I re-read your post and see where you stated your father does not want to perform LASIK; sorry for the error, as I was just using what you said as an example.

Thanks...
 
JPNSU,

Do not forget the transitional year for many 1+4=5 or 6 depending on the program...
 
Just so everyone is caught up. Everyone, including myself, has said, "To preform sugery, ODs should go to medical school."

I still don't believe anyone has read my first post!😡

Perhaps I was not clear enough then or in my following comments. Let me spell out what I said in a child book manner. I am scarred of the day ODs can just do lasik. I said many would do a bad job doing it. I also said I hope the government mandates a required residence in order to use the big laser.

Have you seen me say that ODs should use lasik, no. The residence I spoke of was not me saying, "There SHOULD be a residence and ODs SHOULD be allowed to preform laser."

What I'm saying is this, when the day comes that ODs are doing lasik, I pray to GOD there is a lengthy residence that may prepare them for the procedure they are going to be doing.

Even if you do not agree that ODs should use lasers, I hope at least understand their desire. I'm against opticians refracting, but I understand why they want to do it.

To make sure we are all clear, "ODs should go to medical school to preform lasik."
 
About the comment, "How many ODs do you know who would go through a 5-6 year residence."

That was my POINT!!! By making a residence after OD school, it would cut back on the number of ODs preforming the surgery. You also need to realize that ODs are not pushing to preform all ophthalmic procedure, just lasers (ie, lasik and YAG). They are not pushing to remove cataracts, re-attach retinas, or re-construct a ruptured orbit, just lasers. This would not require a 5-6 residence, only a 2-3 year. Even that would be over kill.

A quick story I have shared on this forum before. Many years ago when lasik was still very new and there were training and educational seminars showing ophth. the procedure, an OD friend of my father went to one. He was the only OD there, but no one knew he was "just" an OD so during the breaks they spoke very freely. This is a qoute by an ophth at the seminar, "We better pray the ODs don't find out how easy this is."

Again, I'm not saying ODs should preform lasik, I'm just say that in closed circles even ophth know ODs could use the laser without a problem.
 
Originally posted by JPNSU
Besides, faced with the facts...who do you think the patient would rather see?


My guess is probably an MD 😀
 
you guys are all nuts!🙄

go read a book.
 
Originally posted by abs1
you guys are all nuts!🙄

go read a book.


abs1 is back!! :clap: :clap:
I've missed you !! How's PCO life?? You anywhere near as busy as I am??

Off to study for peds.
cpw
 
This discussion is going nowhere. We obviously have our own opinions on this matter...and I respect yours and others on this forum...I hope you respect mine as well...good luck in your future career path...I will depend on you as I hope you will depend on me as well...God, I never thought I'd ever say that😱 just don't expect me to join hands and start singing songs around the camp fire
 
Originally posted by ewsmith1
Does anyone know if ODs are allowed to perform Lasix surgery?

I had heard some states allowed this after additional training.

Please post any valid info you may know on this subject?

I know that you should never be entitled to perform a procedure whose name (or acronym) you cannot spell.
 
Originally posted by Spinola
I know that you should never be entitled to perform a procedure whose name (or acronym) you cannot spell.

🙄 Please step down off your high horse. No one is perfect and YES people make mistakes.. EVEN DOCTORS!! **Gasp!**

No ODs are allowed to to LASIK. However, ODs ARE allowed to do PRK (In Oklahoma only). But , since PRK has fallen to the way-side it's not very common.
I'm sure I"ll learn more about it in my LASER class next year. Yes, we're REQUIRED to take a laser class to learn about laser techniques and learn how to co-manage patients.

But, please ENOUGH with the bickering. Every profession has it's own place and you're NOT going to change anyone's mind about becoming an OD. (epecially not anyone on this forum)

Wait.. did I spell something wrong?? It might be the end of the world if I do. 🙄 🙄 🙄
 
Feisty, cpw! I'll tell you what, all I want are some freakin sharks with freakin lasers mounted on their heads. Is that too much to ask?
 
Originally posted by TAL
Feisty, cpw! I'll tell you what, all I want are some freakin sharks with freakin lasers mounted on their heads. Is that too much to ask?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Classic!
 
Originally posted by cpw
🙄 Please step down off your high horse. No one is perfect and YES people make mistakes.. EVEN DOCTORS!! **Gasp!**

No ODs are allowed to to LASIK. However, ODs ARE allowed to do PRK (In Oklahoma only). But , since PRK has fallen to the way-side it's not very common.
I'm sure I"ll learn more about it in my LASER class next year. Yes, we're REQUIRED to take a laser class to learn about laser techniques and learn how to co-manage patients.

But, please ENOUGH with the bickering. Every profession has it's own place and you're NOT going to change anyone's mind about becoming an OD. (epecially not anyone on this forum)

Wait.. did I spell something wrong?? It might be the end of the world if I do. 🙄 🙄 🙄

Your spelling seems OK; however your use of punctuation is atrocious. (Wayside has no hyphen, and every profession has its own place.) I trust that you will find this advice most improving.
 
Originally posted by TAL
...all I want are some freakin sharks with freakin lasers mounted on their heads. Is that too much to ask?
hmmmmm...Lasersharks...
 
Originally posted by Spinola
Your spelling seems OK; however your use of punctuation is atrocious. (Wayside has no hyphen, and every profession has its own place.) I trust that you will find this advice most improving.

Step one: reach around behind you
step two: remove stick from ass
 
Originally posted by cpw
Step one: reach around behind you
step two: remove stick from ass
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Well said!
 
Can't we all just get along??

We're supposed to be professionals!!!

This is starting to sound like the playground back in elementary school....
🙄
 
just trying to lighten to mood in here a little bit... and besides..

THEY STARTED IT!! 😛
 
[kids chanting in unison] Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!
 
This is a frightening thread.

Lasix = furosemide (a diuretic that optometrists should not prescribe as they are not physicians)

LASIK = laser in situ keratomileusis (a surgery that optometrists should not perform as they are not surgeons)

What this really boils down to is a public safety issue. Physicians are licensed to practice medicine equally in all states. If you go to a physician in CA it is the same as going to one in OK or MI. You can be certain that they have gone through medical school, internship, residency, and perhaps even fellowship. More likely than not the physician is board certified in a specialty.

Optometry is another story altogether. All O.D.s are not created equal. In one state they may be permitted to practice a broader scope of services while in a neighboring state there may be a very limited scope. Most O.D.s do not complete residencies and there is no way for the public to know if their O.D. is well trained or just out of school. They have no way of knowing if their O.D. just moved from state A to state B, suddenly acquiring the "ability" and "right" to perform services they have not been trained for.

Although it may be true that most O.D.s have no desire to perform surgery or shoulder the responsibility of higher malpractice premiums and dangerous surgical complications, patients should not be subject to the greed of the select few O.D.s who delude themselves into thinking that, professionally speaking, they are equal to physicians. Just because there are O.D.s who made the mistake of choosing optometry instead of medicine, the nature of optometry as a profession should not be changed into something it is not to suit them.

Someone's example of osteopathic medicine's evolution as a profession is a poor example. The D.O. profession was developed by an M.D. at a time when allopathic medical treatments were "worse than the disease" as an attempt to treat patients more safely. It had a foundation in mainstream medicine with a different philosophical approach to patient care. During the short lifespan of its founder, osteopathic medicine focused mostly on manipulation to differentiate itself from allopathic medicine. Near the end of the founder's life, and after his death, osteopathic medicine reintegrated the improved allopathic principles into its practice to provide complete care with an additional tool for diagnosis and treatment. Optometry is not and was not ever a surgical or medical profession and it is wholly inappropriate to try to overlap itself into medicine and surgery.

Refraction is only part of what ODs do. They check pathology, remove forien bodies, treat glacoma, diabetic retinopathy,...the list goes on and on!

How do they check pathology? Do they complete fellowships in ophthalmic pathology? As far as I know only ophthalmologists and pathologists are permitted to complete said fellowship. If you mean they go to the fax machine and read what a pathology report says, sure, I guess they are capable of checking.

ER doctors remove foreign bodies all the time. This fact does not qualify them to perform ocular surgery. When the going gets tough the ER docs and optometrists send ophtho their patients because both are not trained to handle complicated cases.

I am still stunned that O.D.s treat glaucoma. Glaucoma is an acquired optic neuropathy. Optometrists are not qualified to treat neuroophthalmic disease or any disease they cannot spell such as "glacoma." What is next, requests for training in trabs, ALT, and SLT?

Diabetic retinopathy? O.D.s perform PRP, focal photocoagulation, and vitrectomies? Most general ophthalmologists send PDR patients to retinologists for said treatments, but you are saying instead they should be sent to the local mall for the optometrist to treat? Scary thought.

Someone was also talking about co-management with ophtho. Yes, ophthalmologists make much more money for a surgical procedure than the optoms that see them pre and post-op. Do the ophthalmologists laugh all the way to the bank? No. If something goes wrong it is entirely the responsibility of the surgeon to manage the complications and to face any resulting litigation. Optoms are shielded from this as they don't see the complicated patients until they are stable enough to be released to them and the patient isn't suing them. What are they going to do, sue the surgeon who sliced through their cornea or the optom who asked them "better one, or better two?"

As this forum is supposed to he helpful for students looking for answers to their career issues (or so someone implied) my PSA is this: Make sure you really want to be an optometrist if you go to optometry school. If you are secretly desiring to become a physician, go to allopathic or osteopathic medical school. If you love eyes and want to take care of them, do extremely well in medical school so that you might be able to get a spot in an ophthalmology training program. If you think that optometry will be a secret way to get around medical school and residency if you wait 6-7 years, don't count on it.

Patients deserve appropriate medical care from an ophthalmologist for primary eye care and surgery. Optometrists are great for refraction and contact lens fitting.
 
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