can osteopathic physician (DO) write MD after name?

[Reductio]

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Name two "different professions entirely" that have the same governing body. I can't think of one instance where that's true. Here in the U.S., it's not like the Federal Communications Commission oversees the Federal Reserve.

And because you cant think of any, it means that none exist? I'd love to have you as a med student.

Paramedics and chemical shipping companies are both governed by the DOT/NHTSA

In my state, Acupuncturists, Electrolysis techs, and .... wait for it...... wait for it..... Midwives... are under the same governing body.

The USDA has committees on Nutrition as well as Forest fire prevention.

.... whatever

 

[Reductio]

Anyway, back to the thread at hand:

In Arizona, naturopaths are allowed to call themselves NMD (naturopathic medical doctors). Yet another confusing title to add to the mix in the clinical setting. IMO, conventional medical doctors (MDs and DOs) should have one title to avoid patient confusion about who's who.

Ah, the old "patients might get confused" argument. I find it hard to believe that a patient ever made an appointment for a nagging belly ache with their local DMD, and got a surprise root canal. So theres that.

NMDs aren't going to be hired as hospitalists or ER docs, so I'm not worried that an NMD is going to be sprung on a patient without their knowledge. If a patient is foolish enough to wander in to an NMD's private office, and ignores all the signs, info in the initial paperwork, all the hippie magazines in the waiting room, and the inevitable clues from the receptionist.... and then unwittingly takes the unconventional advice from the NMD; I have no sympathy for them. They're probably the same fools that assume my female co-residents are nurses, and that their nephew who's in a medical-assistant course is in "medical school".

They can go where they want. I don't care. I'll have enough patients for my practice.

 

[motomed]

When was the last time a cancer patient showed up for weekly chemo to the ER? What about the dialysis patient who came to the ER three times a week to get dialysis? When did the last healthy 21-year-old woman come to the ER for a physical and gyn exam?

cancer patients in need of treatment get admitted, quickly. there are a number of dialysis patients who don't bother keeping a schedule and show up to the ER when they become symptomatic and get dialysis at that time. pelvic exams are done constantly in the ER, I swear every other person that comes in is a female belly pain... and in all cases there's the social worker coming in to talk to them for the thousandth time to help them set up follow up care that they'll never go to...

people talk about lack of access to care like these people are standing outside some iron gate crying and pounding their fists because they can't get in. if you need care, and you make an effort to get it, you get it.

 

[coldweatherblue]

When was the last time a cancer patient showed up for weekly chemo to the ER? What about the dialysis patient who came to the ER three times a week to get dialysis? When did the last healthy 21-year-old woman come to the ER for a physical and gyn exam?

You write with the condition that they're coming to the ER *for* their treatment, which is obviously not usual. Chemo patients don't go to the ER for chemo because chemotherapy generally isn't given there. However, if you're really arguing that ER physicians do not manage acute care patients on chemotherapy, dialysis, or healthy female exams, you should spend more time in the ER. In my very limited experience I've worked up all three of those, and I would guess that residents and attendings in EM see these patients on a weekly basis or more often.

 

[MedStudentWanna]

cancer patients in need of treatment get admitted, quickly. there are a number of dialysis patients who don't bother keeping a schedule and show up to the ER when they become symptomatic and get dialysis at that time. pelvic exams are done constantly in the ER, I swear every other person that comes in is a female belly pain... and in all cases there's the social worker coming in to talk to them for the thousandth time to help them set up follow up care that they'll never go to...

Thank you for stating the obvious while ignoring what I posted. I didn't ask if they get admitted when they get sick from neglecting their care. I asked when was the last time they could receive on-going care to get them better -- chemo every week, dialysis three times a week, a yearly physical and pelvic for a HEALTHY young woman?

people talk about lack of access to care like these people are standing outside some iron gate crying and pounding their fists because they can't get in. if you need care, and you make an effort to get it, you get it.

No, you really don't. You only get it when you're in a medical emergency. Quit being so naive and open a news magazine sometime. Check out how many people go bankrupt every year to pay for their medical care.

 

[MedStudentWanna]

You write with the condition that they're coming to the ER *for* their treatment, which is obviously not usual.

Yes, I did write they were coming to the ER "for" their care. Because I consider that their care. Did you read the post to which I replied? Here's what that poster said:

besides that, nobody in the US goes without care unless they choose to. go hang out in an ER for a while, there's a whole lot more primary care going on in there than there is emergency medicine

"Nobody in the U.S. goes without care unless they choose to." So does he not consider chemo care? Does he not consider dialysis care? Does he not consider yearly physicals care? People don't come to the ER every week for chemo or three days a week for dialysis or annually for a regular physical. So, either those things aren't considered medical care or the poster is wrong.

Chemo patients don't go to the ER for chemo because chemotherapy generally isn't given there.

Precisely.

However, if you're really arguing that ER physicians do not manage acute care patients on chemotherapy, dialysis, or healthy female exams, you should spend more time in the ER.

I'm arguing no such thing.

 

[motomed]

Thank you for stating the obvious while ignoring what I posted. I didn't ask if they get admitted when they get sick from neglecting their care. I asked when was the last time they could receive on-going care to get them better -- chemo every week, dialysis three times a week, a yearly physical and pelvic for a HEALTHY young woman?



No, you really don't. You only get it when you're in a medical emergency. Quit being so naive and open a news magazine sometime. Check out how many people go bankrupt every year to pay for their medical care.

yeah dude if only I read more magazines then I'd get it... you keep reading your magazines, I'll keep going to work and taking care of these people who you claim can't get care. filing bankrupcy to pay for care is sad, unfortunate, not ideal, etc... but it pretty much flies in the face of your argument. this is not an example of lack of access to care, instead it is an example of people getting care despite not being able to pay for it. they get the care. what part of that don't you understand? do you think all those bills come from people who didn't provide some service? I'm betting that most people who are put in the position of filing bankrupcy due to medical bills probably got some world class kick ass healthcare in order to get them to that point....

you haven't the slightest clue what goes on in an ER.

 

[ArcGurren]

Oh my good god who resurrected this zombie?

 

[drdan83]

I don't think a DO can claim to be an MD as they did not earn an MD degree.

At my hospital there are a few doctors mailboxes that have their name listed as MD even though they are DO's. I think it is just a simple error though. In a situation like that, I think you can get away with it as it is harmless but if you are advertising yourself as an MD when you earned a DO degree, I don't think you can do that.

I kinda wish they changed the DO degree to OMD or MDO as it just jives better with MD.

DO, to the layperson, doesn't scream doctor for some reason.

 

[tkim]

And because you cant think of any, it means that none exist? I'd love to have you as a med student.

Paramedics and chemical shipping companies are both governed by the DOT/NHTSA

What do you mean by 'governed' in the case of paramedics?

 

[StephenMaturin]

At my hospital there are a few doctors mailboxes that have their name listed as MD even though they are DO's. I think it is just a simple error though. In a situation like that, I think you can get away with it as it is harmless but if you are advertising yourself as an MD when you earned a DO degree, I don't think you can do that.

One of the ED doctors I work with is a DO and has "HERNAME, MD" embroidered on her white coat. You can do a lot of things

 

[gmotherwillo]

3 different names for 3 persons who do basically the same thing. name= not important

 

[MedStudentWanna]

yeah dude if only I read more magazines then I'd get it... you keep reading your magazines, I'll keep going to work and taking care of these people who you claim can't get care.

Hey, I was giving you friendly advice. If you'd rather continue looking like a severely uninformed nimrod who has no idea what's going on in the world, have at it.

filing bankrupcy to pay for care is sad, unfortunate, not ideal, etc...

Filing bankruptcy to pay for chemo is "not ideal?" LOL

but it pretty much flies in the face of your argument.

You lack basic comprehension skills if you don't think that underlines my point.

this is not an example of lack of access to care, instead it is an example of people getting care despite not being able to pay for it. they get the care. what part of that don't you understand?

THEY don't represent the whole country. For every person who filed bankruptcy to pay for a hospital stay, there's another person who died because they couldn't afford it on the front-end. Secondly, your argument is that there is no problem. So it's okay with you for people to lose their homes in order to keep their kid alive? It's okay that mommy and daddy sacrifice their life savings and retirement funds because their teenager needs medical care? After all, the kid is "getting the care. What's the problem?"

Like I said, severely uninformed nimrod.

do you think all those bills come from people who didn't provide some service? I'm betting that most people who are put in the position of filing bankrupcy due to medical bills probably got some world class kick ass healthcare in order to get them to that point....

So no problem. Who cares if they now live in a homeless shelter.

you haven't the slightest clue what goes on in an ER.

No, how could I know what happens in an ER? I just worked in one for three years. It's hard to believe someone so naive about the world can even attempt to argue something as complex as healthcare. Catch a clue.

 

[Reductio]

What do you mean by 'governed' in the case of paramedics?

I mean "governed" in the flow-chart sense, I suppose.

NHTSA's Office of EMS oversees the systems and education on the federal level. Local and state offices of EMS report to them. Data flows up to them, federal regulations flow back down.

About the "White Paper" and the 1966 Highway Safety Act, which put civilian paramedics on the streets -
http://www.ems.gov/other/history.html

Paramedic national standard curriculum (theres also one for EMT & CFR)
http://www.nhtsa.gov/people/injury/ems/emt-p/disk_1[1]/intro.pdf

Link in the footer of the page takes you to the federal EMS office
http://www.nhtsa.gov/

 

[gaggz]

Hi
I am MBBS doctor and am in a senior position in and IT company as a consultant. I am not practicing nor do I intend to practice. Currently, I am settled in USA with a green card.

The reason that I am posting here is that I came across a Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Medicine) where it is mentioned that MBBS is considered equivalent to MD of US system.

My questions are - in my resume to be submitted to pharma and IT industries for a job not related to practicing as a doctor (like IT consultant, project manager jobs) can I:
1) write MD after my name at title of resume? Example - Dr. John Smith, MD

2) if not MD, can I write in the body of resume, at the education section, something like "MBBS (Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery; considered equivalent to M.D. degree of in U.S. system)"? - I am taking this words from first para of wikipedia page.

Comments would be welcome. Thanks

 

[J-Rad]

Hi
I am MBBS doctor and am in a senior position in and IT company as a consultant. I am not practicing nor do I intend to practice. Currently, I am settled in USA with a green card.

The reason that I am posting here is that I came across a Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Medicine) where it is mentioned that MBBS is considered equivalent to MD of US system.

My questions are - in my resume to be submitted to pharma and IT industries for a job not related to practicing as a doctor (like IT consultant, project manager jobs) can I:
1) write MD after my name at title of resume? Example - Dr. John Smith, MD

2) if not MD, can I write in the body of resume, at the education section, something like "MBBS (Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery; considered equivalent to M.D. degree of in U.S. system)"? - I am taking this words from first para of wikipedia page.

Comments would be welcome. Thanks

You are probably safer with #2 as-to my knowledge-there are some states that do not allow the degree titles to be used interchangably for documents.