Can rejected applicants sue the medical schools?

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...even if you have decent stats?

 

[Pinkertinkle]

Doubt it, but you could probably get something on the UC's since they're legally prohibited from discriminating by race.

 

[Cat's Meow]

...even if you have decent stats?

On what basis would/could you sue?

The whole application process is so subjective, and we know that many "stellar" applicants (by virtue of high numbers) are rejected each year.

 

[Cat's Meow]

Doubt it, but you could probably get something on the UC's since they're legally prohibited from discriminating by race.

From what I understand, the UC's still consider race as a part of the admissions process---but by no means is race a deciding factor.

However, private schools--Stanford, Harvard, etc...--can openly use race without litigation, right?

 

[45408]

Not likely. They reject such a wide variety of students that it would be nearly impossible to say that you SHOULD get into their school.

 

[MediMama23]

In your particular case, was this a pre- or post-interview rejection? Regardless, you have to realize that if you have received a rejection, there is something about you, the applicant, that does not fit in with the mission/ideals of that medical school. Stats are not the end all of this process, and that's why they hand out the secondaries and ask for the LORs and invite you for interviews. Maybe they didn't like how you presented yourself in your secondary. Maybe you seemed insincere in your interview. Maybe they rejected you outright...stats may have been perfect, but something threw them off in your personal statement.

If you have the money to do it, then by all means, take on these adcoms. It might be more worth your time and effort to concentrate on other schools that you still have a chance with, though.

 

[derf]

i think a dude (baker? spelling) successfully sued Davis back in 1979 for admitting students with lower stats. It went to the supreme court and he won a spot in a subsequent entering class. My history is a little shaky though, anyone want to confirm this.

 

[Cat's Meow]

i think a dude (baker? spelling) successfully sued Davis back in 1979 for admitting students with lower stats. It went to the supreme court and he won a spot in the entering class. My history is a little shaky though, anyone want to confirm this.

The case was the UC Regents vs. Bakke...but I don't remember the details from high school civics class.

 

[Pinkertinkle]

From what I understand, the UC's still consider race as a part of the admissions process---but by no means is race a deciding factor.

Prop 209 makes it illegal for University of California campuses to use race as part of admissions. I am pretty sure that the UC medical schools still do, thus it may be grounds for litigation.

Private schools usually have a nondiscrimination clause or what not, but I think it's mostly for show. The legality of such admissions policies is not for me, but for the Supreme Court to some day decide.

 

[stoic]

I think that generally a suit like this wouldn't get far, seeing as how it's a subjective process.

You would have to find evidence of specific discrimination, and that would be tough.

 

[acl3623]

oh cmon!! thats crap, i hate all these people that sue for stupid reasons...my kid didnt make it on the bball team, there was too much turbulence on the airplane and now im emotionally scarred...i tried to commit suicide by strapping myself to the train tracks and the the train ran me over...i tried to rob this person and he shot me...i didnt get into med school! waaahhh! plenty of qualified applicants dont make it each year...

 

[dr.z]

I think you can try and let us know. I think it will hard to find lawers to support you though.

 

[Lexian]

I think all the time, energy and money that you would spend in the suit would be better spent improving your resume and application for the next application cycle.

 

[Haybrant]

From what I understand, the UC's still consider race as a part of the admissions process---but by no means is race a deciding factor.

However, private schools--Stanford, Harvard, etc...--can openly use race without litigation, right?

i dont think this is accurate; any school that recieves federal/state funding would have been affected had the michigan case been upheld in the supreme court (fricking sandra day). Private schools get federal funding (NIH, for example).

For the OP i think you can sue if you want; hell you could sue SDN for giving you wrong information, or sue me for using this: b.c it pisses you off, but you are unlikely to win for obvious first amendment reasons....

 

[avinash]

...even if you have decent stats?

yea if you have some lawyer that can change poeples minds...

 

[MadameLULU]

Prop 209 makes it illegal for University of California campuses to use race as part of admissions.

Please enlighten me...Wouldn't the Supreme Court's ruling on the University of Michigan's case override Prop 209? I know that in Texas, the supreme court ruling overrode Hopwood v. Texas (which held that affirmative action in public schools was unconstitutional).

 

[DeterminedMD]

I think all the time, energy and money that you would spend in the suit would be better spent improving your resume and application for the next application cycle.

I agree! What would bee the basis of suing? Acceptances arent based solely on grades. Besides, its a numbers game.....so many applicants and only a certain amount of seats. Not everyone can get in. If you feel discrimnated against...then by all means go for it. But if its just because you didnt get accepted...well make yourself look better to adcoms by doing more volunteer work, etc and reapply.

 

[NYCmed]

Speaking hypothetically, if one did sue the medical school and win a spot in their entering class, it would undoubtedly attract unwanted public attention. I wouldn't want to be seen by a doctor who gained his degree by suing for it, citing "decent stats" as the reason for the lawsuit.

 

[premedgeek]

Which school are we talking about?

 

[constructor]

personally, i would like to sue new jersey medical school for admitting drguy22. i'm pretty sure i can make a damn convincing case, too. 😎

 

[drguy22]

personally, i would like to sue new jersey medical school for admitting drguy22. i'm pretty sure i can make a damn convincing case, too. 😎

now thats interesting......how so? pls by all due respect make ur case

 

[drguy22]

btw tat comment was totally uncalled for....and i do take it personally

 

[constructor]

ah, a quick response just as i had suspected. i was just checking to make sure you do nothing besides sit in front of your computer and hit "refresh" on your browser's SDN webpage all day. i now know that for a fact...

 

[DrMom]

as a reminder, it is a TOS violation to go after another SDNer in such a manner.

 

[drguy22]

ah, a quick response just as i had suspected. i was just checking to make sure you do nothing besides sit in front of your computer and hit "refresh" on your browser's SDN webpage all day. i now know for a fact...

hahaha...ummmm no...actually this is the time i go on SDN....i check my emails at nite so i also log onto SDN....so go ahead check to see if i have many posts during the day...i dont....

 

[drguy22]

im still waiting for ur theory....

btw...i havent seen u post any schools that have accepted u......i got accepted into an early decision program...BA/MD (ever hear of it) ? where u have to have above avg stats to get in......but pls do tell me where u have been accepted....

 

[Dog's Bark 2]

im still waiting for ur theory....

btw...i havent seen u post any schools that have accepted u......i got accepted into an early decision program...BA/MD (ever hear of it) ? where u have to have above avg stats to get in......but pls do tell me where u have been accepted....

Don't worry about it. There are a lot of haters on these threads 😡 including the moderators themselves.

Keep your head up 🙂 👍 🙂

 

[DrYo12]

ah, a quick response just as i had suspected. i was just checking to make sure you do nothing besides sit in front of your computer and hit "refresh" on your browser's SDN webpage all day. i now know that for a fact...

what's the point?

*shrugs*

 

[Dog's Bark 2]

as a reminder, it is a TOS violation to go after another SDNer in such a manner.

But when FD, Kinetic, or Cerberus do it, no one cares 😡 👎 😡

 

[Pinkertinkle]

Please enlighten me...Wouldn't the Supreme Court's ruling on the University of Michigan's case override Prop 209? I know that in Texas, the supreme court ruling overrode Hopwood v. Texas (which held that affirmative action in public schools was unconstitutional).

I'm a premed, not a lawyer.

 

[PhotoMD]

Please enlighten me...Wouldn't the Supreme Court's ruling on the University of Michigan's case override Prop 209? I know that in Texas, the supreme court ruling overrode Hopwood v. Texas (which held that affirmative action in public schools was unconstitutional).

In general, a legislature can rephrase a statute to bring it up-to-date with the latest jurisprudence. The things the judiciary strikes down are typically subtle points of a law.

 

[trinitrotoluene]

According to the 2003 SCOTUS ruling, states are encouraged to experiment with race-neutral admission policies. Ergo, CA (and TX) could mandate race-neutral admission policies be used in their various schools.

 

[Siggy]

Please enlighten me...Wouldn't the Supreme Court's ruling on the University of Michigan's case override Prop 209? I know that in Texas, the supreme court ruling overrode Hopwood v. Texas (which held that affirmative action in public schools was unconstitutional).

I don't think that it owuld override. Just because it is constitutional, doesn't mean that we could make a law against it. For the supreme court to over rule something, it would have to decide that a specific law was unconstitional.

And yes, supposivly AA is rightfully banned in California.

 

[lightnk102]

does anyone else find this kind of post humorously hypocritical?

"tort reform" is a common answer in response to the ever-popular "how would you start to fix the healthcare issues in our country" interview question. people generally seem to agree that an excessive amount of unnecessary lawsuits in this country are what contribute to the rising cost of healthcare (and the rising cost of malpractice). doctors and premeds everywhere complain about these people who sue at the drop of a hat if things don't come out exactly how they wanted it (babies and OB's are infamous for this).

doesn't suing because you didn't get the desired outcome for a med school make you just like all those people you talk about in interviews? the ones who should be targeted by tort reforms?

 

[gbiz]

You know what is stupid, people don't understand that you CAN ALWAYS SUE. The question is not can I sue, any lawyer will tell you yes you can, the question is can I win?

If you sue a med school, that will take many years, especially if it has to go to the Supreme Court as did both the UM Law admissions and UM undergrad admissions did. 5-10 years will pass by before anything comes of it, so why do it? To make a point? At what cost to you?

 

[drguy22]

personally, i would like to sue new jersey medical school for admitting drguy22. i'm pretty sure i can make a damn convincing case, too. 😎

u know wat...u should explain one more thing to me......how does someone reject brown medical school and then end up in a N. Dakota community college? I just dont get it...its seems very very fishy

 

[acl3623]

ah, a quick response just as i had suspected. i was just checking to make sure you do nothing besides sit in front of your computer and hit "refresh" on your browser's SDN webpage all day. i now know that for a fact...

whats wrong with that?? 😕

 

[constructor]

u know wat...u should explain one more thing to me......how does someone reject brown medical school and then end up in a N. Dakota community college? I just dont get it...its seems very very fishy

i really don't appreciate how you're being so elitist. at the community college of north dakota, we have very strict academic standards that make for a top-quality learning experience despite it being a community college and despite it being situated in north dakota. i come from a very poor family that makes snowmen for a living, so the community college of north dakota was a great opportunity for me in terms of cost and quality of education. and yes, i do take personal offense to your comments. 🙁

 

[drguy22]

i really don't appreciate how you're being so elitist. at the community college of north dakota, we have very strict academic standards that make for a top-quality learning experience despite it being a community college and despite it being situated in north dakota. i come from a very poor family that makes snowmen for a living, so the community college of north dakota was a great opportunity for me in terms of cost and quality of education. and yes, i do take personal offense to your comments. 🙁

ha...im being elitist.....very interesting...im not....and btw....everyone in this country can get a education, u could go to a state school.....and the government give u loans.....now how do u like it when u put other people down?

btw..im still waiting for ur case on suing NJMeD for admitting me...


next time refrain from making comments about other people if u dont want to hear comments about u.


o ya and one more thing....i was think bout it...and its true..i am on this site a lot everyday...but not like u said (sitting in from of the computer and hitting refresh) i just love the site


i always believed that u were a troll...but im believing it more strongly....and this is why...

u claim u rejected brown medical school because u could "do better" not bc of finacial reasons..... (i personally think that THEY rejected you and this is just a psychological defense and u started to BELIEVE the u rejected them)

then ur elitist comments do not match up with ur current position in a community college.....i vaguly remember u stating previously that you go to one the "top 50" schools....


lastly lets not forget u attacked me first.....

 

[DrMom]

closing per request of OP