Can you start a practice without a loan

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I do not want to go into anymore debt my $190'000 student loan debt is already bothering me.
I want to start a practice in a rural community and I do not want to take out a business loan. I have about $14'000 in savings and plan to use this to buy the things I need. I plan on buyingused medical equipment and to rent an office space.
Any suggestion on how to start a medical practice without a loan? Any suggestion on books that tell you what you need to start a podiatry practice?

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So I do not want to go into anymore debt my 190'000 student loan debt is already bothering me. I want to start a practice in a rural community and I do not want to take out a business loan. I have about 14'000 in savings and plan to use this to buy the things I need. Buy used medical equipment and such. I plan to rent office space.
Any suggestion on how to start a medical practice without a loan:? Any suggestion on books that tell you what you need to start a podiatry practice?

Where exactly are you planning to open? I would talk with the local hospital. If there is a need there, they may be willing to set you up. I've seen it before.
 
So I do not want to go into anymore debt my 190'000 student loan debt is already bothering me. I want to start a practice in a rural community and I do not want to take out a business loan. I have about 14'000 in savings and plan to use this to buy the things I need. Buy used medical equipment and such. I plan to rent office space.
Any suggestion on how to start a medical practice without a loan:? Any suggestion on books that tell you what you need to start a podiatry practice?

Look on Amazon.com for books about starting your own medical practice. There are several on there.
 
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Thank you all for your input.

I do not know exactly where I will be practicing, I am in the process of looking at different locations. It may either be Colorado or South Carolina. My wife wants green and I want mountains. We both want a more rural area, with a lower cost of living.

My wife and I tried extremely hard to stay out of huge debt with podiatry school even with 4 kids and I don't want to get in more debt now, it just scares me.

May sound like a dumb question but how do you go about finding hospitals that will "set you up" ? I know very little about any of this so I am trying to find out any information that I can.
 
Another option is to approach some Family Practices to see if you can rent space in their office during the week. If there is a day or a half-day during which they have a vacant room, you may be able to pay them a set fee in exchange for using their room, equipment, and staff.

You would have to provide any podiatry-specific instruments and equipment that you need. You do not need a Midmark podiatry chair to treat your patient; the standard general medical chair that most FP's have will work (it's just not as nice). My group has a few satellite offices in rural areas spread out over eastern Oregon and we have this type of arrangement. Generally we pay a couple hundred bucks to the FP's per day.

If you want to open in a rural area, be prepared to have multiple offices and do a lot of driving. You might be able to set up half-day-per-week arrangement at a few different FP offices in outlying communities, then go to a different town each day.

Working out of a local FP office also serves as a built-in referral source. Your overhead expenses remain minimal this way.
 
Thank you all for your input.

I do not know exactly where I will be practicing, I am in the process of looking at different locations. It may either be Colorado or South Carolina. My wife wants green and I want mountains. We both want a more rural area, with a lower cost of living.

My wife and I tried extremely hard to stay out of huge debt with podiatry school even with 4 kids and I don't want to get in more debt now, it just scares me.

May sound like a dumb question but how do you go about finding hospitals that will "set you up" ? I know very little about any of this so I am trying to find out any information that I can.

I don't know about SC, but the rural mountains of CO are no longer in the "low cost of living" bracket. The Rocky Mountains are such a desirable place to live that it has become expensive.

One other thing: student debt sucks but business debt is not necessarily bad. I wouldn't use your personal savings to buy equipment. I'd get a business line of credit instead, so your business, rather than you and your family, can absorb the debt. Plan on having a good Accountant and Attorney who can guide you.

I think you mentioned elsewhere that you were planning on having your wife work for you for free? It might be more beneficial from a taxation, liability, and retirement fund standpoint to establish yourself as an S-Corporation or Limited Liability Corp (LLC) then hire both you and her as employees of your corporation. Again, ask the CPA and business Attorney about this.

Three crucial people to you: Accountant, Attorney, and Banker, in that order.

Edit: green + rural = Idaho?
 
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Edit: green + rural = Idaho?
Being from Idaho myself, I would agree with one caveat. Idaho is not always so green 😀 It seems like we are always in a drought! But I will say that all of the podiatrists I knew in my small town were only there a few days a week and spent most of their time in a larger (read more than 10,000 people) city. I also remember reading somewhere that the state with the highest average salary for podiatrists was Idaho. There is definitely opportunity there.
 
Being from Idaho myself, I would agree with one caveat. Idaho is not always so green 😀 It seems like we are always in a drought! But I will say that all of the podiatrists I knew in my small town were only there a few days a week and spent most of their time in a larger (read more than 10,000 people) city. I also remember reading somewhere that the state with the highest average salary for podiatrists was Idaho. There is definitely opportunity there.

rural, green idaho exists in the northern half of the state. S.E and S.W idaho is largely a desert.
 
Boise and the "rural" towns to the north (ie McCall, Donelly, etc.) have plenty of green (I would call that SW Idaho). And don't forget Sun Valley which is due east of Boise...since we're on the topic of rural+green Idaho
 
Rural living in the mountains has never been cheap, regardless of the state. That's like saying Honalulu, HI has a low cost of living. Both places cost a lot of money to live because not many people are there and it's expensive to get the basics up there. If it's what you want it, then you really can't put a price on that.
 
rural, green idaho exists in the northern half of the state. S.E and S.W idaho is largely a desert.

Boise and the "rural" towns to the north (ie McCall, Donelly, etc.) have plenty of green (I would call that SW Idaho). And don't forget Sun Valley which is due east of Boise...since we're on the topic of rural+green Idaho
Both definitely true. I guess being from south Idaho, I forget that not all of the state is a desert🙂 BTW, Sorry for hijacking the thread😳
 
no problem ! I am from southern Idaho myself. We thought about returning but it is loaded with podiatrists. I believe there are 7 podiatrist in my home town where there are only 60'000 people. 2 of the podiatrist are having a difficult time surviving. There does not seem to be many areas that have over 10'00 people that do not already have an over population of podiatrist there. Idaho is a large LDS area and many podiatrist that are LDS are returning to Idaho and Utah, even if there is not patients for them to see.
Sun Valley/ ketchum/hailey already has a podiatrist and a visiting podiatrist and houses start at a good 3 million. It is a resort town and is also desert.
 
I'm not clear why you're so intimidated about taking out loans. Nobody wants to pay interest, but "spend money to make money" is a basic principle of business that there is really no way around. Unless you have a LOT of family benefactors' support, you will probably need loans to get what you need.

Banks will borrow money to doctors. You will pay for it, but you can certainly make it happen if you have halfway decent credit. I was already been approved for an AmEx business card that would have a limit high enough, but the rates are too high for purchasing everything on that unless I could pay it off relatively fast. I began prelim loan talks at my bank - and others to compare rates - regarding six figure loans for future rent/staff/equipment. The banks gave me basic info on what they like to see in terms of business plans, equipment lists, staffing ideas, marketing ideas, etc, and you should have no problem if you scour PodiatryM.com, AAPPM, etc for that stuff. Doctors are a "good risk" for loans: very seldom not working... whether it's solo practice, for a hospital, for a group, etc, you are always seeing at least some patinets and having some cash flow. Besides, they always know where to find (and garnish) you if you don't pay up for whatever reasoning. If you can show them you are going to an area of need for foot specialists, all the more reason they have to assume you'll find success.

Between a good solid loan at a decent rate and then a business CC or two for short term extra loans, you'd be pretty set. Why not use your $15k as a downpayment on a big loan and start practicing how you want to practice right off the bat? As long as you are committed to the location and have done your homework, it's probably how you'll end up happiest.

As for wife as an employee/partner, I'd steer very clear of that. My wife (soon-to-be PhD who is "grossed out" by most medical stuff) suggested that she try that office manager role, and I laughed at her. Not sure how many private practices you've shadowed, but nearly every time I saw the husband/wife working close together in the same office 50+ hours per week (in other businesses besides pod as well), it was almost invariably NOT a good situation in terms of stress level or efficiency/morale. The exception might be if you're both docs or midlevels and you see pts on different locations/days? In the end, it depends on your relationship and wife, of course, but I'm just saying that I haven't see it work well very often. Besides, you could probably afford receptionist, biller, MA, etc with more experience and less salary requirement than your wife (based on her current work income and/or the $ you'd spend on daycare if you both worked the same 5+ days per week).

Another option is to approach some Family Practices to see if you can rent space in their office during the week. If there is a day or a half-day during which they have a vacant room, you may be able to pay them a set fee in exchange for using their room, equipment, and staff.

You would have to provide any podiatry-specific instruments and equipment that you need. You do not need a Midmark podiatry chair to treat your patient; the standard general medical chair that most FP's have will work (it's just not as nice). My group has a few satellite offices in rural areas spread out over eastern Oregon and we have this type of arrangement. Generally we pay a couple hundred bucks to the FP's per day.

If you want to open in a rural area, be prepared to have multiple offices and do a lot of driving. You might be able to set up half-day-per-week arrangement at a few different FP offices in outlying communities, then go to a different town each day.

Working out of a local FP office also serves as a built-in referral source. Your overhead expenses remain minimal this way.
This is great advice and all stuff I definitely plan to do.^ 👍
Even in a location with few/no other dedicated and well trained F&A specialists, that brand new private office you spent loan $ to furnish with plush leather power chairs, digi XR and US, solid gold bandage scissors, great receptionist, etc will still be almost 100% empty for awhile. You need to gain reliable income and build your reputation/referral bases by seeing patients ASAP, and those multispec or primary care clinics are great and usually starved for anything past basic foot care.

I'm planning for my private practice 1-1.5d, surgery 0.5-1d, and multispec clinics + hospital consults 3-4d per week for awhile, and maybe transitioning to more and more private practive over the years (if I'm lucky enough to gain referrals and reputation). I think it'll take at least 3-5yrs of pounding the pavement to build a patient base big enough to even have two full days of ~50 clinic pts for the office(s) I'd like to start from scratch. Then maybe We'll see...
 
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I'm not clear why you're so intimidated about taking out loans. Nobody wants to pay interest, but "spend money to make money" is a basic principle of business that there is really no way around. Unless you have a LOT of family benefactors' support, you will probably need loans to get what you need.

Agreed. Also, from a taxation standpoint business debt is treated differently than personal debt. "They" factor it into the calculation of corporate income. If you declare a loss for the year then your tax burden is light. Did anyone mention, "get a good Accountant?"

If you use personal savings to buy office equipment, then you are using post-income tax money. You want to use pre-tax money to run your business (i.e., business loan or line of credit). Right now you might be able to get it around 4% interest, so mehhh. Spend that $14K personal savings on groceries instead.

Feli said:
...nearly every time I saw the husband/wife working close together in the same office 50+ hours per week (in other businesses besides pod as well), it was almost invariably NOT a good situation in terms of stress level or efficiency/morale

Doubly agreed! Besides, if your wife can work at a job unrelated to your new practice, she can provide income until your practice starts making money. Any new practice starting from scratch will have about a 6 month lag time before it starts seeing any real income. In the meantime you can survive on personal savings, your spouse's paycheck, and whatever amount you pay yourself from your business loan.


Feli said:
I'm planning for my private practice 1-1.5d, surgery 0.5-1d, and multispec clinics + hospital consults 3-4d per week for awhile, and maybe transitioning to more and more private practive over the years (if I'm lucky enough to gain referrals and reputation). I think it'll take at least 3-5yrs of pounding the pavement to build a patient base big enough to even have two full days of ~50 clinic pts for the office(s) I'd like to start from scratch. Then maybe We'll see...

A man with a plan! Well done!
 
You won't even be able to buy all the equipment you need for 14k, let alone establish your own practice. Take out a loan.
 
20 years ago I returned to the midwest after completing my residency. the local library had a Rand McNally book on demographics. I used this and the AMA and APMA resources to find a rural (population 8500) town that did not have a full time podiatric physician. The nearest mid size city (100,000) is 50 miles away. My county's population was 35,000 and the town I chose was the county seat.

I contacted to local hospital about coming, and they offered to provide a small office/basic furnishings with a 6 month grace period before starting any rent. During that first year I invested any profits right back into the practice (exam chairs, front office equipment, etc). I got involved in the local medical association, civic organizations and high school athletics right away. I think I lived on about $24,000 that year and ended the year with all my office equipment paid for. No loans were required.

Today the town is about 12,000. I have two partners and our practice is in its own 6000 ft2 building. We have a great relationship with the medical and local community. Rural communities are a wide open opportunity for a new practitioner. They are eager for your skills.
 
It will be difficult to start a practice without some loans. It may take a considerable lag phase to be on insurance panels and to grow a practice. Working capital will an issue. Recruitment packages by hospitals are a great option although difficult to find for DPMs. These seem to be more prevalent in the south. Another options is to sublet space from an MD who has multiple offices. You can use his/her staff, equipment, and infrastructure.
 
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