Can you take out extra loans for expenses

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Carrie Bradshaw

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I have looked at the budgets of a couple medical schools in my area and their COL seems low...and most only consider the 9 or 10 months youre in school. I wanted to know if it was allowed to take out loans beyond the COL the school set,& how much?

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Aren't you 4+ years away from matriculating? COA is going to move a bit from now till then. Also, until you know where you are going (or at least have acceptances from) and what their aid package is going to be, it's all a moot point. Most schools will have loans available up to their COA. There are private loans available outside of your school's fin aid mechanism, but these are a different beast (not gov't guaranteed, contingent on your credit history, etc). The months that you're not in school (the other 2 or three MS1 and MS2) are usually spent doing something gainful (research that pays something, grant funded work, etc).
 
Can't speak for all schools, but my school is very tight with the loans. The ONLY thing you get extra loan money for is day care. Then again, in med school you don't really have a lot of time to spend money. Find a cheap place to live, because you're going to spend all of your time studying anyway.
 
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Aren't you 4+ years away from matriculating? COA is going to move a bit from now till then. Also, until you know where you are going (or at least have acceptances from) and what their aid package is going to be, it's all a moot point. Most schools will have loans available up to their COA. There are private loans available outside of your school's fin aid mechanism, but these are a different beast (not gov't guaranteed, contingent on your credit history, etc). The months that you're not in school (the other 2 or three MS1 and MS2) are usually spent doing something gainful (research that pays something, grant funded work, etc).

The OP does well to hustle now to look into financing their medical education be it 1 year, 4 years, 10 years. COL is only a percentage of what you will need to attend MD school.

I found this comment bizarre: "Most schools will have loans available up to their COA". The writer is missing their Pons.

Here's the breakdown of medical school loans:
Perkins Loans
Stafford Loans
Grad PLUS Loans
Private Loans

check out the AAMC's website FIRST
Financial Information, Resources, Services, and Tools (FIRST)

Go to Federal Student Loans for specific info on Fed Student Loans.

I suggest you contact Mr. Matthew Shick, Senior Legislative Analyst, Government Relations
Telephone: (202) 862-6116, E-mail: [email protected]

Mr. Shick was very helpful to me when I contacted him prior to starting medical school.
In fact, I found the AAMC extremely helpful when it came to learning my options. The banks were least helpful. Do not trust them, IMHO.

Private loans are an option and it is probably what you will be looking at since you are requesting more money than what your medical school will determine based on your need and COL. But that's about all the medical school will do for you as to student loans. They don't have loans per se, at least most medical schools. Some of the high and mighty med schools have deep pockets, so if you are lucky to get into one of those, you'll be up against stiff competition for those resources, but please note: the "award" money won't be much, like $500 or $1000.

You will incur expenses greater than what your medical school will determine your need to be. It will up to you to hustle during medical school once you start to run out of money, and you will run out of money. Get ready now . Don't wait until you matriculate as one person stated here. Plan now.

I ran out of student loan monies when I had to buy a used car, had to throw money at it, it got vandalized and had to repair those issues, bought furniture, a new laptop, airline tickets for non-planned trips back home, etc. You will run out of money, and if you don't have mommy and daddy to hit up like some students, you should plan accordingly

Just a cautious note: be careful in approaching medical students about advice in funding medical school. Most will not tell you the real story about their finances nor should they: it's very personal. Yes, you should talk to medical students, but also include medical school financial aid officers AND outside sources like AAMC or Mr. Matthew Shick. Then gather up all of the information you gathered and make your decision.

I spent alot of time surfing the internet reading countless websites about funding sources and they were unfruitful. I had friends send me links from all types of websites promising scholarships and grants. Waste of time . My friends were just being thoughtful. But the websites were scams.

Be careful with the private loans. A friend of mine did that, she just graduated from her med school, and she was devastated at her exit interview at her school when she had to listen to the debt she accumulated which came from both Federal Loans and Private Loans. She racked up quite a debt on a private bank loan...and the interest on that is unforgiving

Have fun with this process. It is quite an education . Let us know how you end up
 
I found this comment bizarre: "Most schools will have loans available up to their COA". The writer is missing their Pons.


You will incur expenses greater than what your medical school will determine your need to be. It will up to you to hustle during medical school once you start to run out of money, and you will run out of money. Get ready now . Don't wait until you matriculate as one person stated here. Plan now.

I ran out of student loan monies when I had to buy a used car, had to throw money at it, it got vandalized and had to repair those issues, bought furniture, a new laptop, airline tickets for non-planned trips back home, etc. You will run out of money, and if you don't have mommy and daddy to hit up like some students, you should plan accordingly

Not sure where you disagree with me, although I can assure you I have a functioning pons. Most people, the vast majority, who take out loans find the COA loan limits enough. You list a bunch of spending problems that you had that are not typical (I'm sorry that med school loans aren't designed for you to purchase your first car). The AAMC will not help your finances. Your school's fin aid office can.
 
Really? Not at my school. Our financial aid office helps students get on food stamps.

I didn't say that there aren't other, non-loan sources of creativity. I'm saying that most people (I don't have actual data) anecdotally don't go hat-in-hand to the bank for a private loan because the $65k/year they are afforded through their school (stafford, grad plus, other gov't-backed loans) isn't enough. I think a lot of the people who don't find COA enough are either a) supporting families, or b) supporting a spending problem. Neither of those would be "common", although on the non-trad forum, supporting a family might be overrepresented.
 
I found the COA relatively generous at my school (large midwestern city). I supported a family of 4 on my allotment.
 
I find mine to definitely be generous and I have a family of 3. It's more than we lived off this past year while finishing my undergrad. It's all about how you spend your money. And you can bet we'll be on food stamps once we get out to school! That's a few hundred bucks a month saved.
 
And you can bet we'll be on food stamps once we get out to school! That's a few hundred bucks a month saved.

The family is coming this week to live with me from now until graduation. I am relieved and thrilled. It's also the ending of the semester so we shall see how I manage all this. However, I was already told (three times long distance and via text) that we will be on food stamps. I know I am not going to win this argument. A few other classmates, some married, others single, made a beeline for FS the first month in medical school, and I said I would. Our school financial aid officer indeed provides the information, contact sheet and release of financial information authorization, so they are very helpful in many ways.

If mom and dad have a generous supply of money for you, then you'll be fine. One guy in my class has daddy pay for his rent at a luxurious penthouse overlooking the city and the ocean at $3k/month, maid service, flashy clothing and goes out drinking every weekend - we have to smell his ETOH in anatomy lab. Plus he drives nothing but the best. Money is not an issue for him. Some kids are fortunate and I do not begrudge them. If you are not one of those types, be prepared to adjust. For example:

At home we had a cleaning lady, lawn service, ate at the finest restaurants, and spent whatever we wanted to have lean meats, fresh fruit, fresh vegetables, fat free products, low sugar, low sodium, natural healthy stuff....all very expensive. That was 5 years ago.

Tonight for dinner: I ate out of a can of cold black beans "Goya" Brand, fresh frozen thawed Papaya chunks right out of the bag, and I poured Cranberry Lite Juice with 50% cold water mixed in to make it last. I ate dinner standing over the kitchen sink. Since I live alone and do not have TV, that is a typical dinner time for me...about 10 minutes. I jumped back on my laptop to study Exam Master for Neuro.

Now I am on another study break so I write this on SDN. You learn how to negotiate, flex, juggle and make do.

Some more examples:

There are alot of initial start up costs the first year that Financial Aid Officers advise you to consider. AAMC website has a list of those items as well, I believe. I saw it somewhere when I started M1 year. I was advised, did not take them too seriously b/c I am generally frugal and not materialistic and have a die-hard mindset, but when it hit the fan in late October, I went scurrying. And I couldn't call home b/c home was depending on me to maneuver the family's finances from medical school. It got dicey. But the good Lord provided.

If you are moving to medical school away from home, where ever home is, and if your medical school location does not have subways or mass transit (mine has neither), you will need to budget for a car. A few classmates of mine arrived to our medical school without cars (like me), they were strapped b/c their student loans did not account for buying a used car (like me), and had to bum rides from other classmates, and often missed quite a few classes until they could afford to buy a car as well. One student never was able to buy a car and he missed about 50% of classes. He missed a ton of group class exercises and it got to be a nuissance b/c we kept having to ask, "where is so and so, is he going to make it, is he going to submit his work to us or....." We had to cover for him plenty of times and it caused resentment. He was threatened by the school that he was going to be dropped for attendance.

What else can you expect to possibly buy your first year not covered by student loans?

Computers need to be super fast for medical school. I dragged mine to medical school thinking it would do fine. It was 5 years old, and it was woeful for the tons and tons of torrents, um, i mean, legal files, GBs, MBs, videos, not to mention multiple windows being processed at the same time - my old MacBook Pro gave up the ghost by October as well. October was a bad month my first year.

So already I racked up $3500 for a used car on Craigs List (Blue Book Value was $5K), and a new MacBook Pro ($2K).

I tried to save money initially by buying an iPad ($1K), and though they are pretty, not very practical compared to a new screaming laptop. I use my iPad in the bathroom, in Church (I follow the Mass on Kindle), I write on my iPad for therapy, and when I have it crammed with my multiple textbooks, I use my iPad that month for re-reading stuff I have already read in my textbooks or PDFs on my Mac. So an iPad can be useful. I am also big on videos I download off of torrents. I have watched Devil Wears Prada 10 times on my iPad. It's a great movie, what can I say. I also watch it in 1 hour increments. Since I do not have internet service at my apartment, streaming internet videos are not an option for me. I am happy with watching downloaded videos on my iPad.

I had to scramble and buy medical insurance ($1K) for my second semester b/c my wife lost her job and we lost our medical coverage. My school would not allow me to register for the second semester unless if I could provide proof of coverage. I had no choice in the matter. I would have gladly risked going without it but the school had to have it.

Apartment Furniture
New Bed ($1500)
Dining Room Table and Lamps, Couches, EZ Chair, Side Tables, Cookware, Dishes, Utensils....and Xanax to recover from all of the money flying through my fingers.

And all of that was just for me. Now that the family is coming, that means finding a new apartment that can accommodate 3 of us.

My financial aid award was based on one person's consumption. Now it is blossoming into three.

I also save alot of money unlike most medical students, which is why I am able to justify other expenses.

I choose to:

* NOT have a TV in my apartment
* NOT have Cable service (e.g. Apple TV, Netflix, etc)
* NOT have internet cable connection - I surf off my neighbor's wifi with his permission
* NOT go out on weekends....Period. At my age, partying isn't all that. Lying down Friday evenings can be a treat in themselves, or a walk on the beach with a beer

I also don't fly home all that much.
I eat very clean and healthy which can be very cheap if you learn to adjust:
eating out of a can of Albacore Tuna does not phase me
I eat 5 eggs every morning (no yolks) and 3 slices of multi grain bread untoasted. I love egg sandwiches. It's what I have every single day. You adjust. I miss my fancy breakfast meals of the past. I will have those again one day . I also adjust by looking at meals as something necessary as opposed to something fulfilling or satisfying. No fat Greek Yogurt with uncooked Oatmeal and cinnamon do fine by me. That's a very healthy meal. Lean turkey burgers at Costco have about 35 g of Protein, 3 g of fat, slapped onto multi-grain bread and I am set . I also buy Costco breaded Chicken breasts, throw those on a skillet, throw it on some spinach, add olives, parmesan cheese, and bingo. another meal. All very inexpensive. They do the job. You just learn to adjust.

I wear the same clothing I have worn for the past 5 years. They look new to my classmates, professors and patients. My dress shirts for patient clinics are the ones I wore for my former career. Ditto for the belts, silk ties and slacks.

About the only splurge I have is a gym membership and on occasion I treat myself to a local deli shop with an awesome bakery. Otherwise I'm a big ol' cheapo. I have gone to the cinema just once.

First year bites. I expect second year to be much better.

Prepare, prepare, prepare

- the 47% have spoken. Regards to Mitt Romney
 
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You bought a MacBook for 2k and that was budgeting? Did your school require a MB?

Macbooks are quite portable and resilient. 4 years with mine and I've had no problems so far while after 1 year with a 800 - 1k Windows laptop used to crap out on me. I'm not into the whole OSX vs Windows thing when it comes to OSes (I have both), but macbooks really do last a long time and worth their value over time (as well as quite well at holding their value, mine is still worth 800 - 900$).
 
35 eggs in a week? Damn. What do you do with the yolk?

Dear Twink (I have to grin at that screen name), yes, I eat 5 eggs every morning minimum. I toss the yolk down the drain while the warm water runs in the sink. I shoot for 50 g of Protein for every meal, and ideally eat q 3 hours....but in MD school that is pretty tough to do. Each Large Egg has 5 grams of protein (minus the Yolk) so 5 x 5 = 25 g . I make up the other grams of protein by having 3 slices of Protein Enriched Multi Grain Bread at Costco, plus skim milk...50 g more or less.

Eggs are one of the most complete foods on the planet when it comes to having all of the amino acids your body needs for protein source.
 
Dear Twink (I have to grin at that screen name), yes, I eat 5 eggs every morning minimum. I toss the yolk down the drain while the warm water runs in the sink. I shoot for 50 g of Protein for every meal, and ideally eat q 3 hours....but in MD school that is pretty tough to do. Each Large Egg has 5 grams of protein (minus the Yolk) so 5 x 5 = 25 g . I make up the other grams of protein by having 3 slices of Protein Enriched Multi Grain Bread at Costco, plus skim milk...50 g more or less.

Eggs are one of the most complete foods on the planet when it comes to having all of the amino acids your body needs for protein source.


I'm just surprise by the number of eggs. I have always tried to limit myself to maybe 5 eggs per week.

About the screen name, I was going for Twinkies (the snack) but it was taken. Twinkle (the lullaby) was also taken so I picked Twink. It was maybe a year later when another SDNer PMed me about the screen name and I found out its meaning. Sucks but oh well, nothing I can do about it.
 
Macbooks are quite portable and resilient. 4 years with mine and I've had no problems so far while after 1 year with a 800 - 1k Windows laptop used to crap out on me. I'm not into the whole OSX vs Windows thing when it comes to OSes (I have both), but macbooks really do last a long time and worth their value over time (as well as quite well at holding their value, mine is still worth 800 - 900$).

Really.... really?

Not sure what brand of Windows PC you are purchasing. My Toshiba Satellite I bought for UG on Black Friday for $700 lasted me all 4 years. Granted, I didn't take it to class to type for notes. But I was still able to do all the important stuff with it. I don't see how anyone can justify the exorbitant Apple Product prices unless he/she is an Apple fanboy/fangirl. It only costs Apple maybe $100 to make it overseas (if that). Then they turn around an sell it to you for 20x their costs? Please... Not to mention iOS itself doesn't support Flash and other software programs just cause. And I think with Google/Android coming out with cheaper and better (IMHO) products, all Apple really has going for itself is its fanbase, who will buy anything they dish out.

Not an Apple hater per se, only a poor, conforming person unable to afford such a luxury item. I just think its a bit ridiculous. Also, instead of trying to edge out their competition, they sue them! Did you know that Apple patented rectangles with rounded corners?
 
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