Can you tell if these horses starved by their pics?

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I could only find pictures from another link and those horses do not look starved to me.

I work at a vet school and some of their research horses are pastured by a busy road. We got calls quite a lot because people claimed we were "starving" some of our horses. All of the complaints were about thoroughbreds, who tend to be much leaner anyways. Many thoroughbreds can have ribs showing and still be a perfectly healthy weight.
 
Though it says the horses were shot (which is outrageous in and of itself), I do believe they look slightly malnourished. It's hard to tell if they are emaciated, but you can clearly see their hindquarters have no muscle mass or fat, since the hip bones are sharp and jagged, at least in these photos.
Disturbing as the photos are, at least the horses are not suffering anymore. This is why serious action/change needs to happen regarding humane horse slaughter. I am an avid horse lover, and ride on a weekly basis. But to see a rise in neglected horses because of the ban on slaughter is just as bad as the slaughter itself. Really, it comes down to a lesser of two evils. I don't have a concrete solution to the problem, I don't think anyone really does at this point. But I do know that there needs to be some sort of change one way or another. The horror stories we hear like these, as well as those in which horses are packed like cargo onto trucks and shipped down south where they are undoubtedly faced with a horrifying death, need to stop.
My opinions on this carry into food production... but I will cease my rant before it goes on forever. Save something for my interviewers :scared:
 
ooo ok, yea there is a huge diff between the two links. i was wondering how the opinions can be so diff. I guess for the first link to the blog you have to navigate to the right place to see the correct pics
 
I'm not going to offer a judgement, but I know our vets would say that they can not adequatly evaluate an animal from pictures alone; they need a body (or at least tissues), alive or not. part of the reasons for this is dr-patient status, the other part is to prove malnourishment, you often need to prove there wasn't an underlying cause (like cancer) creating the effect.
 
I'm not going to offer a judgement, but I know our vets would say that they can not adequatly evaluate an animal from pictures alone; they need a body (or at least tissues), alive or not. part of the reasons for this is dr-patient status, the other part is to prove malnourishment, you often need to prove there wasn't an underlying cause (like cancer) creating the effect.

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come on people🙄
 
I'm not going to offer a judgement, but I know our vets would say that they can not adequatly evaluate an animal from pictures alone; they need a body (or at least tissues), alive or not. part of the reasons for this is dr-patient status, the other part is to prove malnourishment, you often need to prove there wasn't an underlying cause (like cancer) creating the effect.



Agreed.
And for its worth, I wouldn't take "Fugly" at any more than face value. They're known for being inflammatory and not always having their facts checked. A while back, they did a pretty nasty piece on a rescue that I have personally worked with, and none of what they said had any basis in reality.
 
Agreed.
And for its worth, I wouldn't take "Fugly" at any more than face value. They're known for being inflammatory and not always having their facts checked. A while back, they did a pretty nasty piece on a rescue that I have personally worked with, and none of what they said had any basis in reality.

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I completely agree with all of the above. I only thought they did not look to be the best weight. But of course there could be a plethora of reasons for this, can't just jump to the conclusion that the owner was neglecting them entirely! I'd be interested to see if there was some follow up article on them to discuss what really happened.
 
I can't seem to find any pictures. However, there's no way to know if a horse actually starved just by pictures. They can certainly appear starved or malnourished but without actual access to the animal and/or tissues for testing, it's really impossible to tell.

The flipside to that coin is when awful people have vets who either don't care or are on the side of the awful people and say "Oh, the horse was sick" when really it was really just plain old lack of food.
 
What the ...? You mean we can't make a medical diagnosis over the internet?

This changes everything.
 
What the ...? You mean we can't make a medical diagnosis over the internet?

This changes everything.
Plan: Probably diagnosis is asystole. Prescribe a backhoe and chain. No recheck needed.
 
Though it says the horses were shot (which is outrageous in and of itself), I do believe they look slightly malnourished. It's hard to tell if they are emaciated, but you can clearly see their hindquarters have no muscle mass or fat, since the hip bones are sharp and jagged, at least in these photos.
Disturbing as the photos are, at least the horses are not suffering anymore. This is why serious action/change needs to happen regarding humane horse slaughter. I am an avid horse lover, and ride on a weekly basis. But to see a rise in neglected horses because of the ban on slaughter is just as bad as the slaughter itself. Really, it comes down to a lesser of two evils. I don't have a concrete solution to the problem, I don't think anyone really does at this point. But I do know that there needs to be some sort of change one way or another. The horror stories we hear like these, as well as those in which horses are packed like cargo onto trucks and shipped down south where they are undoubtedly faced with a horrifying death, need to stop.
My opinions on this carry into food production... but I will cease my rant before it goes on forever. Save something for my interviewers :scared:

I didn't start this thread to argue slaughter, but selling horses for slaughter is still legal and pretty easy, so I don't see how that has to do with abuse and neglect...

Yeah, I wasn't sure from the pictures if the horses died of starvation, but they sure don't look well fed.
 
Agreed.
And for its worth, I wouldn't take "Fugly" at any more than face value. They're known for being inflammatory and not always having their facts checked. A while back, they did a pretty nasty piece on a rescue that I have personally worked with, and none of what they said had any basis in reality.

What rescue did you work with? Just curious.
 
I know sorry, I have been thinking a lot about the horse slaughter issue recently though, which is probably why I tried to incorporate it. I think the connection I was going for was that less humane slaughter potentially leads to an increase in poor ownership and such, ie. the photographs from the article. Did not intend to take over the thread with my comment haha, sorry!
I am in clear interview mode
 
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