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Canadians doing AP-only residency in US?
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Why not apply to Canadian residency in the first place if that's where you'd like to eventually practice? Otherwise, I would do AP/CP + 1 yr fellowship. This gives you more flexibilty should you ever want to come back to the U.S. because you'll have CP under your belt. If you're certain you want to do AP only, and go back to Canada, then maybe transfering would be practical. Also, if you do AP/CP + a boarded fellowship in the U.S., and pass the ABP boards, that should qualify you for RSPSC without taking their exam if I am not mistaken, plus you'll have subspecialty training. But double check that. mlw03 might know...
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Who cares about getting Canadian boards? You need a Canadian med license. I did AP-only + 1 year fellowship (all in US), and had no problem getting an Alberta medical license (before passing my FP boards, just AP certified at that point in time, so my license is technically as an anatomic pathologist). I don't actually know the rules for getting Royal College certified... I've not done it, don't think I'm eligible, but again, what does it matter? I have a valid medical license and courts have no problem recognizing my US training for expert witness status. It's US-Canada, not Djibouti-Canada.
All that said, I agree with the suggestion to consider applying to Canadian AP residencies. You'll be in the second iteration, but plenty of programs make it to the second round. If you can afford it, I'd apply to both, and if you match in Canada, you're set and then withdraw from US match.
All that said, I agree with the suggestion to consider applying to Canadian AP residencies. You'll be in the second iteration, but plenty of programs make it to the second round. If you can afford it, I'd apply to both, and if you match in Canada, you're set and then withdraw from US match.
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I think some of the other provinces (especially Ontario?) are stricter and require even ABP certified U.S. pathology residency graduates to take the Canadian path boards and/or practice under supervision for some length of time in order to get a medical license.
To OP - I think you would be better off training in the U.S. (4 years AP/CP + 1 fellowship unless you are genuinely interested in doing a clinical internship year) and getting ABP boarded if you feel that there is any chance you might want to practice in the U.S. later and/or if you are interested in a more esoteric or competitive subspecialty fellowship. If you have your heart set on practice in Canada, I'm not sure which route would make it easier for you to reach your goal.
I thought AMGs are considered in the first iteration of CARMS along with CMGs
I thought you are AUTOMATICALLY withdrawn from the U.S match if you match in Canada
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I'm not sure about your second statement - that could be true. I thought American grads were considered 'foreign' in CaRMS, but I'm not sure. This is all just based on conversations I've had with residents here and some faculty.
I could be wrong, but I am 99.9% sure my two statements are correct.
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one way to transfer is to use the Ontario Repatriation Program. It's a real program.
I will send the contact person's name and email back channel. you can send a request for official information.
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I've heard similar things. I know mainly about AB and SK. The less popular provinces are a bit more 'open' I guess to non-Canadians, while BC and ON are so popular they can be very restrictive. QC is darn near its own country (et vous devez parler français).
I've tried to chime in because there isn't a lot of Canadian representation on here, but I'm certainly no expert on any of this stuff. Who I am isn't really a secret, which is fine. I'm a US expat who took an FP job and I've picked up bits and pieces in my 3 years here.
Probably the best overall advice I could offer is to contact one of the program directors directly and just try to talk to them on the phone for a few min to clarify some of these issues. It's presumably not hard to get their names and contact info from the individual program websites.
AMGs who are Canadian citizens or permanent residents of Canada are considered for first iteration spots. American AMGs are not.
Canadian resident here.
Everyone is considered for 1st iteration in Carms. Now, in most provinces (except Quebec), Canadian medical grads have their ''CMG'' spots and IMGs have their IMG spots, so most of the time they don't even compete with each other. On the Carms website it's written how many spots are allotted to each group. In Quebec (including McGill University), not only do IMGs have access to the 1st iteration, they directly compete with Canadian medical grads.
That being said, I don't know if a non Canadian citizen AMG will be considered as an IMG in Canada (I doubt it but I can't say for sure). However, it doesn't matter since in both cases the person would have access to the 1st iteration of Carms, and would directly compete with Canadian grads in Quebec.
I suggest you directly apply to a Canadian program after med school, if your goal is to have an AP only practice in Canada.
I invite you to double check all that info on the carms website in case I'm mistaken: http://www.carms.ca/
Good luck
Everyone is considered for 1st iteration in Carms. Now, in most provinces (except Quebec), Canadian medical grads have their ''CMG'' spots and IMGs have their IMG spots, so most of the time they don't even compete with each other. On the Carms website it's written how many spots are allotted to each group. In Quebec (including McGill University), not only do IMGs have access to the 1st iteration, they directly compete with Canadian medical grads.
That being said, I don't know if a non Canadian citizen AMG will be considered as an IMG in Canada (I doubt it but I can't say for sure). However, it doesn't matter since in both cases the person would have access to the 1st iteration of Carms, and would directly compete with Canadian grads in Quebec.
I suggest you directly apply to a Canadian program after med school, if your goal is to have an AP only practice in Canada.
I invite you to double check all that info on the carms website in case I'm mistaken: http://www.carms.ca/
Good luck
