Caribbean schools and LCME accreditation...

[BestDoctorEver]

Is there a remote possibility one day that the top Caribbean medical schools like SGU, AUC, ROSS ad SABA can get LCME accreditation?

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[Medstart108]

Is there a remote possibility one day that the top Caribbean medical schools like SGU, AUC, ROSS ad SABA can get LCME accreditation?

Remote maybe less than 1%. Its unlikely because they only accredit the schools in the US or Canada.

Time for the US to invade the Caribbean 😛

 

[BestDoctorEver]

Remote maybe less than 1%. Its unlikely because they only accredit the schools in the US or Canada.

Time for the US to invade the Caribbean 😛

We already invaded Canada... Lol

 

[Skip Intro]

Is there a remote possibility one day that the top Caribbean medical schools like SGU, AUC, ROSS ad SABA can get LCME accreditation?

Doubtful. There's nothing in it for them.

Remote maybe less than 1%. Its unlikely because they only accredit the schools in the US or Canada.

And Puerto Rico.

Caribbean schools use the accreditation standards in their own respective sovereign country. In some cases, individual state education boards will confer "equivalency" to the standards used by their own state medical schools and the LCME. For example, the New York and New Jersey state education boards consider some Caribbean schools educational experience to be equivalent to a medical education obtained in the U.S. at an LCME-accredited medical education program, and thus allow them to complete more than 12 weeks of clerkships there.

http://www.op.nysed.gov/prof/med/part60.htm#60.10

-Skip

 

[laricb]

Is there a remote possibility one day that the top Caribbean medical schools like SGU, AUC, ROSS ad SABA can get LCME accreditation?

There was a rumor that SGU was going to by a teaching hospital in theUSA

 

[Skip Intro]

There was also a rumor that Ross was going to relocate to Wyoming and keep their same model. Never happened.

Or, as the old saying in medicine goes, "You can't treat a rumor."

-Skip

 

[laricb]

There was also a rumor that Ross was going to relocate to Wyoming and keep their same model. Never happened.

Or, as the old saying in medicine goes, "You can't treat a rumor."

-Skip

Agree, But if residency placement continues to go in the wrong direction for there students that might be a good option....Im talking like 10 yrs down the road.

 

[Qester]

Hey Skip Intro,

Where would I find information regarding the maximum amount of time students can do rotations in specific states, specifically regarding the 'big 4' schools. I had seen previously that New York State had allowed some exceptions, but where does the '12 week' rule come from? Is it consistent across all states?

 

[Skip Intro]

It is not consistent across all states. You should simply check with the individual schools you're interested in, as they will have this information.

Here's Ross' list: http://www.rossu.edu/medical-school/academics/hospital.cfm

You might be able to set-up electives at other hospitals elsewhere. This should be discussed with an adviser before doing so, because the regulatory issues involved in receiving appropriate credit with licensing boards.

-Skip

 

[ReeseC]

They could if they wanted... but why have the added work? What would be in it for them and what would be the point?

The only accredit within the United States and Canada

And Puerto Rico.

-Skip

And saying "and puerto rico" is like saying "and Hawaii" or "and the commonwealth of Virginia." Puerto Rico is part of the United States and goes without saying. You can find it right under "LCME-Accredited MD Programs in the United States" on the LCME website cuddled between Pennsylvania and Rhode Island.

 

[BestDoctorEver]

They could if they wanted... but why have the added work? What would be in it for them and what would be the point?

The only accredit within the United States and Canada



And saying "and puerto rico" is like saying "and Hawaii" or "and the commonwealth of Virginia." Puerto Rico is part of the United States and goes without saying. You can find it right under "LCME-Accredited MD Programs in the United States" on the LCME website cuddled between Pennsylvania and Rhode Island.

Most Americans have trouble grabbing this fact because PR is not connected to the mainland and they speak Spanish...

 

[Skip Intro]

Most Americans have trouble grabbing this fact because PR is not connected to the mainland and they speak Spanish...

So is Guam and Marianas Islands. They don't have any medical schools.

-Skip

 

[Skip Intro]

And saying "and puerto rico" is like saying "and Hawaii" or "and the commonwealth of Virginia."

Um, no.

Puerto Rico is a different kind of "commonwealth" than Virginia, Massachusetts, and Kentucky which, despite being called commonwealths, have the same legal distinction and responsibilities of formal statehood. Puerto Rico simply does not. Puerto Rico is still and only an unincorporated territory of the U.S.

The nature of Puerto Rico's political relationship with the U.S. is the subject of ongoing debate in Puerto Rico, the United States Congress, and the United Nations.[95] Specifically, the basic question is whether Puerto Rico should remain a U.S. territory, become a U.S. state, or become an independent country.[96] After several failed tries dating back to 1967, Puerto Ricans voted for the first time to become a state in 2012. The plebiscite was nonbinding.

Since Puerto Rico is an unincorporated territory (see above) and not a U.S. state, the United States Constitution does not fully enfranchise US citizens residing in Puerto Rico.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico#Government_and_politics

The Puerto Rican schools are LCME accredited on the list of U.S. schools, but it is not like saying they are Hawaii or Virginia.

And, as far as U.S. Virgin Islands...

The United States holds three territories: American Samoa and Guam in the Pacific Ocean and the U.S. Virgin Islands in the Caribbean Sea. Although they are governed by the United States, the territories do not have statehood status, and this lesser legal and political status sets them apart from the rest of the United States.

The three U.S. territories are not the only U.S. government land holdings without statehood status. These various lands fall under the broad description of insular political communities affiliated with the United States.

Puerto Rico in the Caribbean and the Northern Mariana Islands in the Pacific Ocean belong to the United States and have the status of commonwealth, a legal and political status that is above a territory but still below a state.

A precise definition of territories and territorial law in the United States is difficult to fashion. The U.S. government has long been in the habit of determining policy as it goes along.

U.S. territories have less political power than do U.S. commonwealths. Commonwealths are afforded a higher degree of internal political autonomy than are territories.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/U.S. territories

-Skip

 

[ReeseC]

Um, no.

Puerto Rico is a different kind of "commonwealth" than Virginia, Massachusetts, and Kentucky which, despite being called commonwealths, have the same legal distinction and responsibilities of formal statehood. Puerto Rico simply does not. Puerto Rico is still and only an unincorporated territory of the U.S.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico#Government_and_politics

The Puerto Rican schools are LCME accredited on the list of U.S. schools, but it is not like saying they are Hawaii or Virginia.

And, as far as U.S. Virgin Islands...











http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/U.S. territories

-Skip

My point was that stating "and Puerto Rico" is redundant, because it is part of the United States. Just because it has a different political status than Hawaii, doesn't make it less redundant than saying "And Hawaii."

Granted - many people have no idea that Puerto Rico, Guam, the USVI, etc are parts of the US. People think you need a passport to visit Puerto Rico for goodness sake. However, stating "and Puerto Rico" instead of pointing out that Puerto Rico IS the US only confuses the situation more.

A reaffirm - saying "And Puerto Rico" as redundant as saying "And Hawaii" what schools the LCME accredits (i.e. - canadian and US medical Schools)

EDIT: Perhaps it would be better to say "And Puerto Rico" is like saying "And the District of Columbia" considering DC is not a state, nor has congressional representation.

 

[Skip Intro]

Again, the rules were written for the situation not to create the situation. An important distinction.

EDIT: Perhaps it would be better to say "And Puerto Rico" is like saying "And the District of Columbia" considering DC is not a state, nor has congressional representation.

That is a fairer comparison.

-Skip

 

[Skip Intro]

All the LCME has to do is amend their rules to say that U.S. territories are excluded. You have to be a commonwealth or higher to be included. Done.

Precedent? They amended their rules last summer to allow "for profit" medical education models models to be included, something they previously and to-date had excluded. They didn't have to go to Congress (or anyone else for that matter) to do this.

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[ReeseC]

All the LCME has to do is amend their rules to say that U.S. territories are excluded. You have to be a commonwealth or higher to be included. Done.

Precedent? They amended their rules last summer to allow "for profit" medical education models models to be included, something they previously and to-date had excluded. They didn't have to go to Congress (or anyone else for that matter) to do this.

-Skip

Like I said in the other thread - yes, they could change the rules. They won't, so the speculation is pointless.

While I'm not thrilled with the "for-profit" rule change, they at least gave a rationale as to why they would change the rule. Not to mention that the rule is more inclusive. There is no rationale to exclude a school that is a part of the United States, and accredited by the Middle States commission on higher education from even attempting to open a Medical School.