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I just interviewed at the Clinic a couple weeks back, does anyone know how long they take to reply after the interview? Do they reply by e-mail, snail, or call? If put on hold, is there a chance of getting off? Thanks.

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For the clinic I dont know when the decisions will begin to be made, but since the class size is so small putting on hold does not mean you wont get in. Both me and my roomate were on the waitlist until early may and we both got in with full-rides. Its because they have to be so careful with the small class size.
 
End of May? That's sad :-( I can't be picky- just want to get in at some point!!

So the financial aid is pretty good? I've seen quite a few posts about full-rides or significant scholarships.... Any idea about how many students get $$ or are funded by a training grant? I have some info. from my interview, but maybe you can tell me more...
 
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Well, I interviewed on the last day in february(the last day of interviews), so that is probably why I didnt get in until the beginning of May. I was put "on hold" shortly after my interview and then got in the first week in May. And yes, the financial aid here is very generous compared to other institutions. Some students get "scholarships" while others get "training grants," every student gets at least a minimum 7-8K in grant money, i think that should be in the stuff they gave you. I know there are more than a few people that arent paying any tuition in our class. The long term goal, through fund raising at the clinic is to make the school totally tuition free. But we're not really sure at this point how that is going to affect us. Good Luck
 
Thanks for the info. 🙂

$$ is just a bonus... Like I said, just hoping to hear something positive. I was just put on pre-interview hold at U of C - Pritzker, so I'm full of worries again!
 
I just interviewed at the Clinic a couple weeks back, does anyone know how long they take to reply after the interview? Do they reply by e-mail, snail, or call? If put on hold, is there a chance of getting off? Thanks.
I heard back a few weeks after my interview in January last year. Dean Franco called me to let me know that I was accepted. A packet came by snail mail afterward. I can't remember now if I got anything by email, but I don't think so. You definitely have a chance of being accepted if you're put on hold. Sometimes people have to be put on hold for a while until there are spots that open up for them, because CCLCM basically doesn't over-accept applicants.
 
End of May? That's sad :-( I can't be picky- just want to get in at some point!!

So the financial aid is pretty good? I've seen quite a few posts about full-rides or significant scholarships.... Any idea about how many students get $$ or are funded by a training grant? I have some info. from my interview, but maybe you can tell me more...
I just wanted to confirm what JDW said about the financial aid here being excellent. 🙂
 
Thanks for the info. 🙂

$$ is just a bonus... Like I said, just hoping to hear something positive. I was just put on pre-interview hold at U of C - Pritzker, so I'm full of worries again!
I know it's hard, but try not to read too much into this. There is definitely a subjective aspect to admissions decisions, and just because one school puts you on hold or even rejects you doesn't mean that you won't get accepted to several of the others on your list. Some schools are just going to decide not to invite you for whatever reason. This is why you don't only apply to one school. Look at it this way: you already have attended at least two interviews that I am aware of, so you are obviously doing something right. 🙂
 
Thanks 🙂 Of course then I wonder if my CWRU alumni status helped?? But who cares! I really need to stop reading this stuff and get to work.... yeah right!!

Just wondering about the admissions decisions- after a CCLCM interview can you be rejected? At Case we were told that was unlikely for the University program... In some cases "hold" seems a little evil, but not so much for CCLCM!
 
Thanks 🙂 Of course then I wonder if my CWRU alumni status helped?? But who cares! I really need to stop reading this stuff and get to work.... yeah right!!

Just wondering about the admissions decisions- after a CCLCM interview can you be rejected? At Case we were told that was unlikely for the University program... In some cases "hold" seems a little evil, but not so much for CCLCM!
Yes. Last year there were several people posting about being rejected post-interview. I don't know when you would hear back about a rejection, but if you do a search on CCLCM and read some of last year's threads, you will find some posts by people who were rejected. If I can find one of them, I'll add it to this post.

Here are a few:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=261235
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=263565

The second one makes it sound like people were put on hold first, and then got rejected in the spring. Yikes. 🙁
 
Is it possible to get the admission stats for CCLCM separately from that of Case - number of applicants, number interviews, number of offers, etc.? Does CCLCM offer more financial aid compared to Case, particularly since the students have to pay for a fifth year?

There was some comparison between Mayo and CCLCM in last year's threads, could any current students elaborate?
 
Is it possible to get the admission stats for CCLCM separately from that of Case - number of applicants, number interviews, number of offers, etc.? Does CCLCM offer more financial aid compared to Case, particularly since the students have to pay for a fifth year?

There was some comparison between Mayo and CCLCM in last year's threads, could any current students elaborate?

Last year, the AdCom at Cleveland Clinic interviewed over 300 (roughly 320's, I want to say), for 32 spots in the class. This year, however, they've said they are only interviewing under 300 (maybe 250's from what I remember?)

Dean Fishleider said a few weeks ago that roughly about half the tuition was covered on most student's packages... although I can easily testify that many students are on full rides here... that's how we got so many people with AMAZING numbers who turned down a lot of top 10 schools to come.

Eventually, the plan is to create this school as tuition-free, which he alluded to might take several years (they need to raise a billion dollars).

Students don't "technically" pay for the 5th year, since we get a stipend that year for research. Two of the students have also received the prestious Howard Hughes research grant which covers their entire year.

Hope this helps.
 
Is it possible to get the admission stats for CCLCM separately from that of Case - number of applicants, number interviews, number of offers, etc.? Does CCLCM offer more financial aid compared to Case, particularly since the students have to pay for a fifth year?

There was some comparison between Mayo and CCLCM in last year's threads, could any current students elaborate?
Yes, there are separate admissions numbers for CCLCM and the UP on the Case SOM admissions webpage. Last year there were 1077 applicants to CCLCM, of which 371 were interviewed. 85 people were offered acceptances to fill a class of 32. This year, like Doko said, there will be fewer interviews, more on the order of 250 or so. Also, there are more people who have applied versus last year, but I'm not sure what the exact numbers are for this year.

Financial aid here is separate from Case's, and yes, it tends to be very good. As Doko already said, we do NOT pay for the fifth year, and several students are here on full scholarship, some with stipends. We also receive research stipends during the summers of M1 and M2.

I haven't ever been to Mayo, so I am not in a position to compare or contrast the two. I know at least one of my classmates interviewed there last year, so I'll see if I can get someone to comment about this.
 
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Yes, there are separate admissions numbers for CCLCM and the UP on the Case SOM admissions webpage. Last year there were 1077 applicants to CCLCM, of which 371 were interviewed. 85 people were offered acceptances to fill a class of 32. This year, like Doko said, there will be fewer interviews, more on the order of 250 or so. Also, there are more people who have applied versus last year, but I'm not sure what the exact numbers are for this year.

Financial aid here is separate from Case's, and yes, it tends to be very good. As Doko already said, we do NOT pay for the fifth year, and several students are here on full scholarship, some with stipends. We also receive research stipends during the summers of M1 and M2.

I haven't ever been to Mayo, so I am not in a position to compare or contrast the two. I know at least one of my classmates interviewed there last year, so I'll see if I can get someone to comment about this.

Hey CCLCMer,

You should seriously be the spokesperson for our school. I swear. I have no idea how you find time to do all of this.
 
Hey CCLCMer,

You should seriously be the spokesperson for our school. I swear. I have no idea how you find time to do all of this.
It helps that I'm not running off to Vegas. 😉
 
It helps that I'm not running off to Vegas. 😉

I for one am grateful for all the information about CCLCM, both here and on your blog.

As long as it isn't hindering you academically, keep it up!
 
I for one am grateful for all the information about CCLCM, both here and on your blog.

As long as it isn't hindering you academically, keep it up!
Thank you. I'm glad you're finding it helpful. My plan is to continue blogging until I graduate. It's amazing when I look at my blog and realize that I'm in my fifth month of medical school already. Things are definitely busy and hectic, but I have to say that medical school has been a lot more fun so far than I expected it to be. 🙂
 
i finally heard- i'm on hold at cclcm....
this isn't surprising, but still disapoointing!

no love for me yet!!!

also a mcw rejection- too many highly qualified applicants to justify giving me an interview....
 
do you guys think it will be a big disadvantage to interview for Case/CCLCC in January? I got the invite like two weeks ago but that was the earliest date the scheduler gave me...should I try to ask for an earlier date? Thanks


Istream ,the exact same thing happened with me. What day in January are you interviewing?


To anyone else who knows, how are interviews viewed at CWRU? Are they considered extremely important or are they just given to those whose stats fall in a particular range? Thanks for your response.
 
^honestly for the one who asked about earlier interviews, you're probably out of luck... I got my invite in early september and the date of my scheduled interview has still not occured.
 
i finally heard- i'm on old at cclcm....
this isn't surprising, but still disapoointing!

no love for me yet!!!

also a mcw rejection- too many highly qualified applicants to justify giving me an interview....
Sorry, cbd. 🙁 Don't give up though. If you really want to come here, I would keep letting them know. :luck: to you.
 
so you know how you apply to cclcm through the cwru app? you can then check your status online for cwru--can you check your status online for cclcm or do you have to call? i have posted this in another thread twice with now response. can someone please share? thanks!
 
Sorry, cbd. 🙁 Don't give up though. If you really want to come here, I would keep letting them know. :luck: to you.
thanks- i'm going to write a letter this weekend... i think?
i guess i'll just express my interest??
cclcmer, please let me know if you think this is a good idea...
 
so you know how you apply to cclcm through the cwru app? you can then check your status online for cwru--can you check your status online for cclcm or do you have to call? i have posted this in another thread twice with now response. can someone please share? thanks!
I answered you in the other thread, but I'll post again just in case someone else needs to know too. As far as I know, there is no on line status page you can check for CCLCM like there is for the Case UP. Our admissions office talks to Case's, but they do almost everything separately (like separate interview invites, separate acceptances, etc.). If you are waiting to hear about an interview, you might want to call the admissions office to see where they are at with your application. Just so you know, if you also applied to the UP, then your invitations to both schools will be delayed, because neither program will invite you to interview until after they have both considered you. This is so that they can coordinate your interviews in case you get invited to both. Good luck to you. 🙂
 
thanks- i'm going to write a letter this weekend... i think?
i guess i'll just express my interest??
cclcmer, please let me know if you think this is a good idea...
I have to tell you up front that I don't really know how much doing these things will affect their decision, but it can't hurt, right? My personal opinion is that it is best to combine a letter of interest with a letter of update. That way you can add something tangible to your file along with letting the school know that you are interested. I seem to remember that you have your PhD (or are getting it?). So if you publish a paper, for example, you could write a letter to tell them about it, maybe include a reprint if you have one, and express interest. You could also update your grades and tell them what you're doing spring semester if you're still taking classes. Or if you have a new EC you want to tell them about that didn't get included on your AMCAS, you could write about that along with expressing interest. The other thing you can do is to call them and ask what they suggest that you do to improve your chances of getting off hold. There's kind of a fine line between showing a lot of interest and being a pest, but I think if you contact them once or twice a month, that wouldn't be excessive. Again, everything in this post is my own personal opinion and hasn't been run by anyone in the admissions office, so you shouldn't take it as the gospel. It's just what makes sense to me. Good luck to you, cbd. 🙂
 
Is it possible to get the admission stats for CCLCM separately from that of Case - number of applicants, number interviews, number of offers, etc.? Does CCLCM offer more financial aid compared to Case, particularly since the students have to pay for a fifth year?

There was some comparison between Mayo and CCLCM in last year's threads, could any current students elaborate?

I'm not sure on the admissions stats of CCLCM vs. Mayo- I know that I got waitlisted at Mayo and accepted immediately at CCLCM if that helps🙂 Seriously, though, I'll try to compare the two. Mayo is a hard school to talk about admissions at because it's so difficult to know what they're looking for. Many people with high scores, high grades and great volunteer experiences get rejected without interviews, while others that seeme more borderline cases get full scholarships. Cleveland Clinic emphasizes research quite a bit, so if you have that in addition to all the things that med schools in general want you're probably doing good, though each year CCLCM is getting more competitive.
Now for financial aid: Mayo's financial aid is merit based- everyone gets at least 1/2 tuition (which varies depending on whether you're in state or out of state) and based on merit some get 3/4 or full tuition scholarships. CCLCM's financial aid is mainly needbased with some merit awards, and it's extremely generous. Everyone receives some sort of grant money, and I know that multiple people (including myself🙂 are going tuition free. In addition, you are paid a 3,000 stipend for research in your first two summers. You don't have to pay tuition during the fifth year, just a small continuation fee and you get a stipend for living expenses during that year.
Now for a more general comparison:
Mayo and Cleveland are very similar in some ways- small class size, prestigious hospital, enthusiastic faculty, emphasis on professionalism, great financial aid. The big difference in my mind is actually curriculum. Cleveland Clinic is very much a PBL approach, and your learning is very independent. At Mayo, you're still divided into small groups but a teacher is leading you through the material. I would prefer to have the teacher leading me through, but other people thrive in the more independent setting. Also, the emphasis on independent study leaves you with a much more flexible schedule, allowing for research during the school year if you so choose. Either way you have the advantage of a small class size, which as JDW said means that the faculty are going to be making calls for you and writing you much better letters of recc than a school with hundreds of students.
I was nervous about coming to such a new med school, and I'm not sure I like PBL- And yet, I'm extremely happy here, and I feel confident about how our class is going to do in residency placements. I don't think you can go wrong either way- Cleveland Clinic and Mayo are both excellent med schools with enthusiastic and dedicated faculty. At this point my advice is to relax and just wait and see where you get in. If you get into both, then the two main determinants I would use are location and curriculum (Are you an independent learner or do you need teachers and tests to help you along? Do you like rural Minnesota? If not, Cleveland may be looking pretty good...)
Best of luck!
 
do you guys think it will be a big disadvantage to interview for Case/CCLCC in January? I got the invite like two weeks ago but that was the earliest date the scheduler gave me...should I try to ask for an earlier date? Thanks

From what I understand, it gets harder to get in right away rather than being waitlisted the later you interview, but I wouldn't worry too much about the January interview. I interviewed at the end of January and got in less than two weeks later. Good luck!
 
Istream ,the exact same thing happened with me. What day in January are you interviewing?


To anyone else who knows, how are interviews viewed at CWRU? Are they considered extremely important or are they just given to those whose stats fall in a particular range? Thanks for your response🙂
 
Istream ,the exact same thing happened with me. What day in January are you interviewing?


To anyone else who knows, how are interviews viewed at CWRU? Are they considered extremely important or are they just given to those whose stats fall in a particular range? Thanks for your response🙂
 
Istream ,the exact same thing happened with me. What day in January are you interviewing?


To anyone else who knows, how are interviews viewed at CWRU? Are they considered extremely important or are they just given to those whose stats fall in a particular range? Thanks for your response🙂
Congrats on being invited to interview. 🙂 Last year I also interviewed for both programs. My impression was that the interviews matter a lot. They don't automatically invite people just because they have certain stats. I think that both Case programs look for students with unique backgrounds. I don't know what the UP does, but I can tell you that for the CCLCM program, there is no MCAT minimum. So they really do look at applicants holistically. But of course you still need to be able to handle the work in medical school, so you can't completely disregard stats, either.

Maybe some of the UP students can comment about what they think about the importance of interviews.
 
Congrats on being invited to interview. 🙂 Last year I also interviewed for both programs. My impression was that the interviews matter a lot. They don't automatically invite people just because they have certain stats. I think that both Case programs look for students with unique backgrounds. I don't know what the UP does, but I can tell you that for the CCLCM program, there is no MCAT minimum. So they really do look at applicants holistically. But of course you still need to be able to handle the work in medical school, so you can't completely disregard stats, either.

Maybe some of the UP students can comment about what they think about the importance of interviews.


Thanks CCLCMer for answering the question to the best of your ability. Case is my top choice and I want to think I was invited to an interview because of a genuine interest in me as a applicant and not on stats alone. I really appreciate you taking time to try and answer my question.😍
 
Thanks CCLCMer for answering the question to the best of your ability. Case is my top choice and I want to think I was invited to an interview because of a genuine interest in me as a applicant and not on stats alone. I really appreciate you taking time to try and answer my question.😍
I don't think any schools generally invite people only because of their stats. The schools that give out auto-invites do that because they know that historically they have wound up inviting almost everyone who falls into a certain range, so it makes things easier and less stressful on everyone if they just do it automatically. Anyway, I am very happy here, and I hope your interviews go well and you get good news. 🙂
 
Does anyone know if Case pays for the second look visit? Thanks!
 
Does anyone know if Case pays for the second look visit? Thanks!

Don't know if it's going to be the same deal as last year, but for the Class of 2010, they paid up to $175 for travel + they paid to put us up in the Intercontinental hotel (2 prospectives/room). I had a blast, and some people even found roommates for the next year that weekend! 🙂
 
Don't know if it's going to be the same deal as last year, but for the Class of 2010, they paid up to $175 for travel + they paid to put us up in the Intercontinental hotel (2 prospectives/room). I had a blast, and some people even found roommates for the next year that weekend! 🙂
Yeah, they give you a set amount like that. Last year both second looks were held on the same weekend, and several of us went to them both. CCLCM's second look starts earlier. They give you $200 toward transportation expenses and you get your own room at the Intercontinental Suites Hotel, then you get a roommate for Case's part of the second look. For both second looks, it's not the Intercontinental Hotel where you stay, it's the Intercontinental SUITES Hotel. I'm just clarifying because there are two hotels on campus, one called Intercontinental and one called Intercontinental Suites, and it's confusing to figure out where you have to go if you don't know that there are two of them with practically the same name. The Intercontinental Suites is pretty nice. I've never stayed at the Intercontinental, but from what I've heard, it's REALLY nice. 😉
 
Don't worry--the instructions you're given for Second Look are really clear, with phone numbers and addresses and everything. For the Case University Program, they had shuttle buses or other arranged transportation taking you to and from every event (and even back to the airport on the last day), so you didn't have to worry about getting lost! 😳
 
Does anyone know if either of the cirriculums have block scheduling?
 
I'll let CCLCMer address the College Program's curriculum, but the short answer for the University Program is yes, there's block scheduling. More than you ever wanted to know about their curriculum is at this website:

http://casemed.case.edu/curricularaffairs/newcurriculum/index.htm

Click on "Block Blueprint" within each block to see dates and times for each block (it's further down on the page--I think it's for the Class of 2010 at the moment).
 
Does anyone have a feel for how bad it is to be on the University program's post-interview "hold" status?
 
Does anyone know if either of the cirriculums have block scheduling?
Yeah, we go by blocks too. We do all normal physiology this year and then abnormal next year.

If you are interested in seeing them, you can go to the CCLCM portal and log in as a guest. (Type "guest" for your user ID and your pass word.) When you get into the portal, you will see on the left side there are several links for class of 2010 (those are the second years) and then class of 2011 (which is for my class). You can click on any of the blocks and read about them. We just finished cardio/pulmonary/heme last week and we're starting with renal tomorrow.
 
Yes and yes. Actually I'm fairly certain that they try to set that up for you automatically if both grant you an interview.

Can one get interview intivation from Clinic and not the University Program, or vice-versa? Is it possible to ask for both interviews in the same trip?
 
Shamelessly bumping my earlier question:

Does anyone have a feel for how bad it is to be on the University program's post-interview "hold" status?
Also, do they ever reject people immediately post-interview, or do they hold them, then reject them?
 
This si a little OT but did folks that applied to CCLCM get a brochure this last week from them? Their interviews seem to be coming out very slowly--so I was wondering if the arrival of a brochure from them was a good sign?

Thanks!

I got nothing from Case via snail mail. Good thing I saved the brochure they gave us at their talk at my school last year. I have an interview at CCLCM on Thursday (yes that would be the day after freakin' tomorrow...). Its my first ever med skool interview and I'm a little nervous, but I'm more anxious to get there and get it over with. I feel calm, strong, and confident. You know, sort of.

The more I read about this snazzy new curriculum, the more I want to shout: Yes, I work well in groups, No, I don't need lectures to learn, Yes, I hate taking tests, and Yes, I love research. Just show me the dotted line so I can sign away the next 5 years of my life!

Am I allowed to say:

Before you ask me any questions during our interview, I would just like to say that I know I am not worthy, but I want you to know that I'll do anything to come to your school.
 
Shamelessly bumping my earlier question:


Also, do they ever reject people immediately post-interview, or do they hold them, then reject them?

I'm not sure what the chances of coming off of "hold" are, but in previous years, there has been a decent amount of waitlist movement at Case. I'm not sure about last year (or this year), though. Sorry! 😳

At my interview last year, they said that they accept ~40%, reject a few, and put the rest on hold. There's a different Associate Dean of Admissions now (she used to be the Assistant Dean), but I wouldn't think the policy would be drastically different. Good luck! :luck:
 
Can one get interview intivation from Clinic and not the University Program, or vice-versa? Is it possible to ask for both interviews in the same trip?
Yes to both questions. The two programs have separate admissions processes, so people commonly get invited to one and not the other. If you are invited to interview at both programs, they will definitely schedule your interviews back-to-back so that you only have to come out to Cleveland once.
 
I got nothing from Case via snail mail. Good thing I saved the brochure they gave us at their talk at my school last year. I have an interview at CCLCM on Thursday (yes that would be the day after freakin' tomorrow...). Its my first ever med skool interview and I'm a little nervous, but I'm more anxious to get there and get it over with. I feel calm, strong, and confident. You know, sort of.

The more I read about this snazzy new curriculum, the more I want to shout: Yes, I work well in groups, No, I don't need lectures to learn, Yes, I hate taking tests, and Yes, I love research. Just show me the dotted line so I can sign away the next 5 years of my life!

Am I allowed to say:

Before you ask me any questions during our interview, I would just like to say that I know I am not worthy, but I want you to know that I'll do anything to come to your school.
You'll be fine. The interviews here are really chill and laid back. Just be prepared to do a lot of walking, like we've already said. 😛

I know it's stressful to go on your first interview, but you wouldn't be at this point if the school didn't think you were a good candidate. They're only inviting about 250 people this year out of over 1000 applicants (not sure exactly how many people wound up applying this year, but last year there were 1077 of us), and there is obviously something about you that made you stand out to them. Make sure to be conversant about your research and be able to explain clearly why you want to come here. Good luck tomorrow!
 
I feel like the Case UP at least really has no set guidelines for thier interviews... one of my friends had an interview that was 45 minutes to the near second and he was grilled with ethical questions the whole time, another had one of the most relaxed interviews she's been at. mine was over an hour and a half long and all the questions were really kind of bizzare.

now if they would just update thier damn status page so I could find out if I got in or not...
 
I feel like the Case UP at least really has no set guidelines for thier interviews... one of my friends had an interview that was 45 minutes to the near second and he was grilled with ethical questions the whole time, another had one of the most relaxed interviews she's been at. mine was over an hour and a half long and all the questions were really kind of bizzare.

now if they would just update thier damn status page so I could find out if I got in or not...
Yeah, mine was pretty long too. I guess maybe I just talk a lot, because that seemed to happen to me at most of my interviews. 😳

Good luck with your Case app. 🙂
 
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