CCM for EM rumors

[McLovin]

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If you'd like some objective data rather than chest thumping, read the references in my previous post (number 13).

There are more articles out there describing basic curriculum between the various specialties and their similarities in regards to CC fellowship preparation, I just don't have the time for spoon feeding right now.

I hear this argument re: surgery often. However, if you look at the curriculum objectively, it just isn't so.

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I don't know if by surgery you mean simply general surgery or are encompassing all surgical sub-specialties as well. But re: the latter Neurosurgery gets far more critical care time than any other field, simply by the nature of their patients.

 

[deuist]

Another thing is that IM residency is 3 years, whereas anesthesia is 4 years, and it is 5 years for surgical residency.

Just a slight clarification: only 3 years of surgery are required before entering a CC fellowship and becoming board-eligible. In fact, none of the SICU fellows at my location have completed residency. I will say that my program has lots of required CC training between the first and second year (14 weeks in the SICU + 8 weeks in the burn unit. There's also 4 weeks of trauma if you want to count that, too).

 

[RxnMan]

Just a slight clarification: only 3 years of surgery are required before entering a CC fellowship and becoming board-eligible. In fact, none of the SICU fellows at my location have completed residency...

Interesting. So I guess it's something like the combined vascular and plastics programs, correct?

... I will say that my program has lots of required CC training between the first and second year (14 weeks in the SICU + 8 weeks in the burn unit. There's also 4 weeks of trauma if you want to count that, too).

From the EM programs I've looked at, their overall CC time is pretty similar (exchange a burn unit month for another ICU, spread time between MICU, PICU, CICU, or NCCU).

 

[deuist]

Interesting. So I guess it's something like the combined vascular and plastics programs, correct?

Nope, completely separate. You can either do:

* 5 years gen surg + 1 year CC fellowship (leads to board cert in both), or
* 3 years gen surg + 1 year CC fellowship + 2 years gen surg (leads to board cert in both, albeit you take your CC boards during 4th year of residency), or
* 3 years gen surg + 1 year CC fellowship (leads to cert in CC only)

You don't enter a combined program like with vascular or plastics. The goal is to become a general surgeon with knowledge in critical care medicine---something that makes surgical critical care training different than the IM route. The medicine docs want to become critical care docs who never leave the ICU. The surgeons want to operate and have only some critical care contact.

 

[enfuegoEP]

Anyone know where I could find solid evidence of EM grads being able to sit for the CC boards? Not that I don't trust you guys and girls, but I've looked all around and haven't come up with anything so far.

Disregard:

http://www.abem.org/public/