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Hello,

Does anyone know anything about central PA UPMC facilities ie Altoona, Williamsport etc... how do they compare to Pitt UPMC facilities ( and all the central PA facilities) in general? Seem to be much dissatisfaction with certain UPMC sites but it varies .
 
My friend left Altoona….‘nough said. Didn’t like the calls.

Usual stuff. Came in at calls around 11am but someone’s asked to come in earlier. Some drinking (alcoholics) etc…happens at every place I’ve been at with anesthesia.
 
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aneftp said:
My friend left Altoona….‘nough said. Didn’t like the calls.

Usual stuff. Came in at calls around 11am but someone’s asked to come in earlier. Some drinking (alcoholics) etc…happens at every place I’ve been at with anesthesia.
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I am not following... what does the alcoholism has to do with the calls lol.. What about Williamsport location ?They also have Hamot I think
 
lotsapain said:
I am not following... what does the alcoholism has to do with the calls lol.. What about Williamsport location ?They also have Hamot I think
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It’s dysfunctional. A bunch of dysfunctional people working. There. I’m sure the turnover is high.

You will make good money. That’s the attraction.

What I’m saying is if my call starts at 11am. And they ask me to come in early. It’s Trauma place. It gets old after a while.

That is no perfect place.

I’ll try to find out out Williamsport location with my vast networking I have.
 
aneftp said:
It’s dysfunctional. A bunch of dysfunctional people working. There. I’m sure the turnover is high.

You will make good money. That’s the attraction.

What I’m saying is if my call starts at 11am. And they ask me to come in early. It’s Trauma place. It gets old after a while.

That is no perfect place.

I’ll try to find out out Williamsport location with my vast networking I have.
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That is sorta what I heard about Altoona too through the many providers I know, was curious if that's true... wanted to see if its an individual thing
or a place thing...... why? Does UPMC pay well? I know they had taken over a few private groups from the little hospitals
 
lotsapain said:
That is sorta what I heard about Altoona too through the many providers I know, was curious if that's true... wanted to see if its an individual thing
or a place thing...... why? Does UPMC pay well? I know they had taken over a few private groups from the little hospitals
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Locums at Altoona was only offering $275. I chose a different hospital not in the Upmc system. Chill Locums gig tbh. Pm if you are interested
 
ToKingdomCome said:
Locums at Altoona was only offering $275. I chose a different hospital not in the Upmc system. Chill Locums gig tbh. Pm if you are interested
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275?!
I would not do anything for less than 300…. It may be easy, it’s also Altoona…. [emoji2371]
 
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IMGASMD said:
275?!
I would not do anything for less than 300…. It may be easy, it’s also Altoona…. [emoji2371]
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Some places in Florida are still $250/275/hr w2 PER DIEM. Not even 1099

And guess what. They find takers. Mommy track anesthesia docs will take it. Someone will take it usually.

Some places in Georgia I know are $225/250hr 1099. My pain buddy covers it occasionally cause it’s down the street from their house and easy work
 
aneftp said:
Some places in Florida are still $250/275/hr w2 PER DIEM. Not even 1099

And guess what. They find takers. Mommy track anesthesia docs will take it. Someone will take it usually.

Some places in Georgia I know are $225/250hr 1099. My pain buddy covers it occasionally cause it’s down the street from their house and easy work
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Then might as well just do this.

GasWork.com - Reference #450991

Reference #450991
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aneftp said:
Some places in Florida are still $250/275/hr w2 PER DIEM. Not even 1099

And guess what. They find takers. Mommy track anesthesia docs will take it. Someone will take it usually.

Some places in Georgia I know are $225/250hr 1099. My pain buddy covers it occasionally cause it’s down the street from their house and easy work
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I had a locum recruiter offer $250/hr to play firefighter at an HCA hospital with up to 6 rooms at a time. What a joke.
 
We got way off track from the PA market here
 
lotsapain said:
We got way off track from the PA market here
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[emoji1787]

Central PA covers everything between Philly and Pittsburgh. It gets tricky to compare everything.
From what I’ve seen, maybe smaller UPMC facilities are looking for people chronically. Wellspan not as much. From time to time, Allentown St Lukes. Reading has been looking for people more often than not for the last few years.

Are any of them better the others? Probably can’t tell unless you’ve been there. [emoji2371]
 
IMGASMD said:
[emoji1787]

Central PA covers everything between Philly and Pittsburgh. It gets tricky to compare everything.
From what I’ve seen, maybe smaller UPMC facilities are looking for people chronically. Wellspan not as much. From time to time, Allentown St Lukes. Reading has been looking for people more often than not for the last few years.

Are any of them better the others? Probably can’t tell unless you’ve been there. [emoji2371]
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Mostly interested in areas such as Denville, Wilkes-barre, Williamsport, maybe Scranton
 
Are we just going to gloss over the fact that we have a bunch of alcoholic anesthesiologists and supposedly that's the norm at most places...
 
Ronin786 said:
Are we just going to gloss over the fact that we have a bunch of alcoholic anesthesiologists and supposedly that's the norm at most places...
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I am not sure what this has to do with the topic we are discussing here?!?!
 
Anyone know about UPMC Williamsport (the hospital itself and anesthesia job)? Being offered $300/hr
 
ToKingdomCome said:
Anyone know about UPMC Williamsport (the hospital itself and anesthesia job)? Being offered $300/hr
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300/hr is an insult these days for locums. The minimum you should accept anywhere right now is 350/hr, and very likely more unless you are in a major metro
 
Coffee PRN said:
300/hr is an insult these days for locums. The minimum you should accept anywhere right now is 350/hr, and very likely more unless you are in a major metro
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Usually it’s $275/300 low ball start offer (at metro area). Personally I’ve take. $300-hr for locations less than 15 min from me just due to location. But I live within 30 minutes of major international airport.

I would counter at $400/hr. $450/hr at more less populated area (if more than 1 hr from major international airport)

They say it’s too high. Work urself down. They work up

It’s $450/hr by the way at one of the Penn state health affiliated facilities I do that know for fact cause I’ve seen my friends contract who’s working up there in July. And PSU affiliated facilities ain’t exactly major metro either
 
aneftp said:
Usually it’s $275/300 low ball start offer (at metro area). Personally I’ve take. $300-hr for locations less than 15 min from me just due to location. But I live within 30 minutes of major international airport.

I would counter at $400/hr. $450/hr at more less populated area (if more than 1 hr from major international airport)

They say it’s too high. Work urself down. They work up

It’s $450/hr by the way at one of the Penn state health affiliated facilities I do that know for fact cause I’ve seen my friends contract who’s working up there in July. And PSU affiliated facilities ain’t exactly major metro either
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Some of the semi rural hospitals around us pay on the low side of locum rates. The unspoken truth is that they are willing to accept people with spotty CVs and reputations in order to save some $.
 
Dr. Rude said:
Some of the semi rural hospitals around us pay on the low side of locum rates. The unspoken truth is that they are willing to accept people with spotty CVs and reputations in order to save some $.
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Some CRNAs won’t take less than $285 an hour and you guys are accepting $300?? Hell no!!!
 
makemoney2024 said:
Some CRNAs won’t take less than $285 an hour and you guys are accepting $300?? Hell no!!!
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Me? Nope. I just have some knowledge about semi-rural MD rates in my general vicinity. I also have some knowledge of the quality of these practitioners. Just sayin. Don’t know the CRNA rates.
 
In one desirable metro area I did locums they were getting 275, one rather unintelligent recruiter I worked with forwarded me an email which also included all the previous emails in the chain...they were getting 650 per hour that I worked, they were paying me 450
 
Maverikk said:
In one desirable metro area I did locums they were getting 275, one rather unintelligent recruiter I worked with forwarded me an email which also included all the previous emails in the chain...they were getting 650 per hour that I worked, they were paying me 450
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What area/agency were you getting 450 in? 😳
 
Maverikk said:
In one desirable metro area I did locums they were getting 275, one rather unintelligent recruiter I worked with forwarded me an email which also included all the previous emails in the chain...they were getting 650 per hour that I worked, they were paying me 450
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Don’t tell him. He just missed the point entirely.
 
aneftp said:
Usually it’s $275/300 low ball start offer (at metro area). Personally I’ve take. $300-hr for locations less than 15 min from me just due to location. But I live within 30 minutes of major international airport.

I would counter at $400/hr. $450/hr at more less populated area (if more than 1 hr from major international airport)

They say it’s too high. Work urself down. They work up

It’s $450/hr by the way at one of the Penn state health affiliated facilities I do that know for fact cause I’ve seen my friends contract who’s working up there in July. And PSU affiliated facilities ain’t exactly major metro either
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Can you DM me? Curious how you set things up near where you live and how you balance that vs traveling
 
Coffee PRN said:
What area/agency were you getting 450 in? 😳
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I'll let you know as soon as I stop picking up there 🙂. They were not advertising it at that rate, but I negotiated it. People there are taking 350-400 who don't ask for more. 400 should be the current baseline as far as I can see
 
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Maverikk said:
I'll let you know as soon as I stop picking up there 🙂. They were advertising it at that rate, but I negotiated it. People there are taking 350-400 who don't ask for more. 400 should be the current baseline as far as I can see
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Sure that sounds good. I’m in a solid long term assignment right now but always good to stay knowledgeable on what areas and agencies are leading the market
 
How do you negotiate more if the locum company says “this is as high as we can go”
 
ToKingdomCome said:
How do you negotiate more if the locum company says “this is as high as we can go”
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Get the approval (step before credentialing), the hospital thinks the staffing company is supplying a body. Negotiating is a dance, ask more for call/weekends/>40 hours, squeeze every corner. Sign on, work for a month, get them to like you, give your 30 days unless they give you more, tell your recruiter in an off-hand way that the site is finding out about their practices...'hey, the people here really like me and I like it here, they've asked if I'm coming back, I told them I'm leaving for a more competitive, do you think you'll increase the rate in the future to the a fair market value? What should I tell them?'
 
Most of these locums ads on Gaswork have the same wording for the job, word for word. I also see multiple locums agencies post the same cities/jobs. At first I thought some of these locums agencies have a relationship with these hospitals as their ads will say "our exclusive client (the hospital) is needing locums". But then when I have spoken to some of these locums agents, these agents can't provide any extra details. It's like they are just reading the job posting from the hospital. These locums recruiters (sales people) cannot tell me any extra details about the culture, types of cases, anything clinical about the gig. So this makes me think that 1) The hospitals are posting their locums needs on some access-only website that the locums agencies pay to have access 2) These locums agencies then post either some vague description about the locums job or they post word-for-word what they hospital posts. Then these recruiters bait you, reel you in, provide no extra details about the locums job and just want your CV to shop you around.
 
It sounds like the hospitals pay a significant margin to the staffing agencies in an attempt to deceive anesthesiologists about their true worth.

I guess the assessment is that it’s worth paying way more in the (hopefully) short term to keep labor from expecting higher wages going forward?

What do they think is going to happen to change the current shortage?
 
DesiredMemberName? said:
What do they think is going to happen to change the current shortage?
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1. Supply has a tendency to meet demand.
2 demand will be shaved by reducing inefficiencies down. E.g., very few holes in daytime schedules, less of the any case anytime mentality.
3. Hospitals consolidating, small hospitals shipping routine stuff nights and weekends because they don’t want to pay for 24/7/365 surgery anesthesia coverage.
4. Pushing CRNA scope and supervision ratios.
5. More CRNA and AA training programs/slots. Same for residents.
 
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