Certain Minority Groups get the Upper Hand?

[JamesL1585]

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So let me ask another question and this is for everyone. Do you think its right for minorities to get an "upperhand" at getting into professional schools (Pharmacy in specific if Im in the right forum.)? Being a minority in Pharmacy can mean being of non-anglo racial ethnicities or even just a male (sure ya'll knew that though). I'll be honest my GPA isn't very high, 2.9 but I have room for improvement and making sure that I get at least a 3.0 by application time, but I still think for some reason I have just as good of a chance as anybody at getting into pharmacy school. (Im black male btw) In fact advisors at different schools I contacted when first doing research on Pharmacy Schools have told me being a minority sometimes helps w/ the process as long as your GPA is competitive GPA (2.8-3.2) and a decent PCAT (55-65%). What do ya'll think based on what you've seen from your peers or just your thoughts on this. I know one thing is for sure being Race X w/ a 3.75 GPA and a 65% on the PCAT, you wouldn't have to ask other people's opinions on whether or not you think you'll get into Pharmacy school, I personally think it's okay and only because of the fact that minority students are not very well represented in most schools (Usually never above 40% in most cases).

 

[Brixius]

I think you are asking too much for people to be civil about a question like this ... watch the hornet's nest you will stir up. Don't say I didn't warn you ...

 

[poppopfizzfizz]

Personally I'm happy to be a minority myself; a guy that is. 😀 At almost all of the pharmacy schools in this country guys are a significant minority. I certainly think that my gender had an influence at at least one of the schools I was accepted into. That being said, I'm sure that there are many schools that acknowledge the benefits of a diverse student body and attempt to mold their acceptances accordingly.

 

[Itoohaveadream]

Some of you remember my last post dealing with minorities. But let me ask another question and this is for everyone. Do you think minorities get an upperhand at getting into professional schools (Pharmacy in specific if Im in the right forum.)? I'll be honest my GPA isn't very high 2.9 but I have room for improvement and making sure that I get at least a 3.0 by application time, but I still think for some reason I have just as good of a chance as anybody at getting into pharmacy school. In fact advisors at different schools I contacted when first doing research on Pharmacy Schools have told me being a minority would help me get accepted with a low but still competitive GPA (2.8-3.2) and a decent PCAT (55-65%). What do ya'll think based on what you've seen from your peers or just your thoughts on this. I know one thing is for sure being, an African-American w/ a 3.75 GPA and a 65% on the PCAT, you wouldn't have to ask other people's opinions on whether or not you think you'll get into Pharmacy school...

I vote we ignore this thread... and just let it sink all the way down to the last page.... BUT, it's so hard..... so i'm gonna go ahead and comment

1) Which pharmacy school did you call and have a human being open up there mouth and say to you, because you are black you'll get into our school with a bad g.p.a. I can understand your friends and other people telling you that but not people that work in high places at the college.

2) If i were you I would not count on this. I know some people that were banking on their race outshining thier lack of a solid application, it didn't work.

3) I hate this thread

4) This way of thinking is not only fair to non-minority students, but to minority students like myself that work hard for their SOLID application. People usually think race(or whatever reason u r a minority) had something to do with thier success.

5) You better work on your G.P.A and P.C.A.T goals and get it up. 65% is not going to cut it.

6) Did i mention that i hate this thread???

 

[ultracet]

So let me ask another question and this is for everyone. Do you think its right for minorities to get an "upperhand" at getting into professional schools (Pharmacy in specific if Im in the right forum.)? Being a minority in Pharmacy can mean being of non-anglo racial ethnicities or even just a male (sure ya'll knew that though). I'll be honest my GPA isn't very high, 2.9 but I have room for improvement and making sure that I get at least a 3.0 by application time, but I still think for some reason I have just as good of a chance as anybody at getting into pharmacy school. (Im black male btw) In fact advisors at different schools I contacted when first doing research on Pharmacy Schools have told me being a minority sometimes helps w/ the process as long as your GPA is competitive GPA (2.8-3.2) and a decent PCAT (55-65%). What do ya'll think based on what you've seen from your peers or just your thoughts on this. I know one thing is for sure being Race X w/ a 3.75 GPA and a 65% on the PCAT, you wouldn't have to ask other people's opinions on whether or not you think you'll get into Pharmacy school, I personally think it's okay and only because of the fact that minority students are not very well represented in most schools (Usually never above 40% in most cases).

you're doing your race a disservice by posting crap like this

 

[JamesL1585]

Ohh, I forgot that I'd get a lot of close minded comments. I don't want people to look at this as a white black asian thing... Males are minorities too and so far all the negative comments have come from a black white perspective and that really wasn't my attention so for those of you who think like that I'm sorry in advance for your narrow way of thinking but not sorry for the post, I can say whatever I want and ask whatever I want and if you can't handle the freedom of speech and thought then I'm also sorry you feel that way too. For everyone who's going to respond to the question like it was asked, thanks 🙂

 

[Itoohaveadream]

Ohh, I forgot that I'd get a lot of close minded comments. I don't want people to look at this as a white black asian thing... Males are minorities too and so far all the negative comments have come from a black white perspective and that really wasn't my attention so for those of you who think like that I'm sorry in advance for your narrow way of thinking but not sorry for the post, I can say whatever I want and ask whatever I want and if you can't handle the freedom of speech and thought then I'm also sorry you feel that way too. For everyone who's going to respond to the question like it was asked, thanks 🙂

Wow.... since i can see this becoming a back and forth nonsense.... i'm gonna stop.. and for the record, I like the way you edited your original post. It's not as ignorant and annoying as it was... I'm guessing that's why you changed it... To answer the question you post now after your revision, No, it's not right; but in very very very very few cases, there is a gray area that it maybe allowed. But for the most part, it's wrong. That's my 2 cents.

 

[drugmanrx]

Ohh, I forgot that I'd get a lot of close minded comments. I don't want people to look at this as a white black asian thing... Males are minorities too and so far all the negative comments have come from a black white perspective and that really wasn't my attention so for those of you who think like that I'm sorry in advance for your narrow way of thinking but not sorry for the post, I can say whatever I want and ask whatever I want and if you can't handle the freedom of speech and thought then I'm also sorry you feel that way too. For everyone who's going to respond to the question like it was asked, thanks 🙂

My unnarrow-minded opinion: Wouldn't you rather feel you've earned it than got it by filling the status quo? Regardless of race or sex? Personally, earning it is much more rewarding than having it handed to you. How do you think other people would feel that have the exact GPA and PCAT scores as you turned down because of race or sex? Wouldn't you feel guilty?

But in answer to your question, you are not a shoe in because of your race or sex in the college that I attend. The board, at least to the best of my knowledge, bases their decision upon previous work history, volunteer history, faculty references, and academic ability for those ineligible for auto-advancement. (not about race, sex or creed) And since we are a private school, we won’t loose government money for not filling the status quo.

My advice: Don’t worry about whether or not your race/sex makes you a shoe in. Work hard, and earn it. You’ll thank me later. 👍

 

[nerdystar]

My unnarrow-minded opinion: Wouldn't you rather feel you've earned it than got it by filling the status quo? Regardless of race or sex? Personally, earning it is much more rewarding than having it handed to you. How do you think other people would feel that have the exact GPA and PCAT scores as you turned down because of race or sex? Wouldn't you feel guilty?

Ditto...

He made a really good point. I'm quoting so you'll read it again and really take it in.

 

[bananaface]

In terms of admissions, both whites and blacks have similar application to admissions ratios. Neither group is really over or under represented in proportion to the US population. Hispanics are very underrepresented in both admissions and applications. People of Asian heritage have a lower application to admission ration, but represent such a huge number of applicants that they are considered "overrepresented" minorities with respect to the general population.

I don't know that most schools really care what group you are from. Does anyone know of any schools with actual quotas?

 

[futurepharm.d.?]

So let me ask another question and this is for everyone. Do you think its right for minorities to get an "upperhand" at getting into professional schools (Pharmacy in specific if Im in the right forum.)? Being a minority in Pharmacy can mean being of non-anglo racial ethnicities or even just a male (sure ya'll knew that though). I'll be honest my GPA isn't very high, 2.9 but I have room for improvement and making sure that I get at least a 3.0 by application time, but I still think for some reason I have just as good of a chance as anybody at getting into pharmacy school. (Im black male btw) In fact advisors at different schools I contacted when first doing research on Pharmacy Schools have told me being a minority sometimes helps w/ the process as long as your GPA is competitive GPA (2.8-3.2) and a decent PCAT (55-65%). What do ya'll think based on what you've seen from your peers or just your thoughts on this. I know one thing is for sure being Race X w/ a 3.75 GPA and a 65% on the PCAT, you wouldn't have to ask other people's opinions on whether or not you think you'll get into Pharmacy school, I personally think it's okay and only because of the fact that minority students are not very well represented in most schools (Usually never above 40% in most cases).

I totally disagree with that statement (highlight in red)..NO WAY!!! that GPA and PCat are considered ok!!! About minority issue, i don't think so...For sure, school will consider you as an individual such as yr acedemic (pcat and gpa), experience and other stuffs...I don't think they focus too much on whether of not you're minority or not..I think eveyone (regardless of race) MUST work very hard to get what they want..THere is NO easy out!!!(even though sometimes I wish there was...But not in this world)

 

[n0estoy]

good luck to you my friend. as you may have seen, there are hella lot of minorities out there w/ more competitive stats than you have listed (including myself), so dont rest on your laurels.

 

[bananaface]

I totally disagree with that statement (highlight in red)..NO WAY!!! that GPA and PCat are considered ok!!! About minority issue, i don't think so...For sure, school will consider you as an individual such as yr acedemic (pcat and gpa), experience and other stuffs...I don't think they focus too much on whether of not you're minority or not..I think eveyone (regardless of race) MUST work very hard to get what they want..THere is NO easy out!!!(even though sometimes I wish there was...But not in this world)

I agree that those are not competitive stats. The GPA is on the low end and the PCAT score is just average. Seriously, I think such a huge number of minorities in general apply to pharmacy schools that being a minority is not likely to give you any "edge".

 

[stickandstone]

My unnarrow-minded opinion: Wouldn't you rather feel you've earned it than got it by filling the status quo? Regardless of race or sex? Personally, earning it is much more rewarding than having it handed to you. How do you think other people would feel that have the exact GPA and PCAT scores as you turned down because of race or sex? Wouldn't you feel guilty?

But in answer to your question, you are not a shoe in because of your race or sex in the college that I attend. The board, at least to the best of my knowledge, bases their decision upon previous work history, volunteer history, faculty references, and academic ability for those ineligible for auto-advancement. (not about race, sex or creed) And since we are a private school, we won’t loose government money for not filling the status quo.

My advice: Don’t worry about whether or not your race/sex makes you a shoe in. Work hard, and earn it. You’ll thank me later. 👍

oh please, the race card is always there, not just a grad school, especially in pharmacy. lots and lots of asian at the interviews in ca. schools, so to be african/american makes you stand out...

a friend of mine didnt get into ucla because she was asian, yet another student who happened to be latin with a lower gpa and sat scores got in...

the underlining of being a certain race helps, but if your gpa is low then it wouldnt help much

 

[dgroulx]

I'm not sure about traditional black schools like FAMU. Their students seem to be predominantly female, the same as other schools. Most of their pharmacy students also started right after high school, since it is a 6-year school. For transfer students, they don't look at PCAT. But, I don't think they take in many transfers. If you don't mind starting over with your prereqs and moving to Florida to become a resident, you could try there.

 

[ultracet]

being male wont help you either
🙄


talking about grasping for straws

 

[Ritzy]

I think its racist to look at any sort of race at all...

Doesn't that make sense? It should be based COMPLETELY on grades, PCAT scores, essay, LORs... all that. And your personality. Not what color you are. What does your race have to do with how successful you are going to be one day? Absolutely nothing...

Its sad that any school would even think about doing something like choosing one applicant over another because of race.

 

[JamesL1585]

Oh well thanks for you guys approval on whether or not you think I'll get in or not lol... I didnt ask any of you guys for that though I know my chances already. And Im the kind of person who's not ever going to make all A's Mostly B's usually. My personality is whats going to get me in pharmacy school. Agree or disagree if you want but I know me...So I dont need advice from people saying "Yea, so best bet for you is to transfer and move to Europe and become a resident there and start over, then maybe you'll get in." LOL, well no one said that but either way its how I see it. But yea, another thing Ive noticed is Ive never seen a school with more females than males in it. And some schools have like 67% females there.. Thats ALOT, I wonder how come schools prefer to pick females over males because I dont really think its much of a lack of interest on the males part anymore, at my schools theres plenty of men persuing prereqs for Pharmacy close to the 45%-55% if not more than that.

 

[calrx]

Oh well thanks for you guys approval on whether or not you think I'll get in or not lol... I didnt ask any of you guys for that though I know my chances already. And Im the kind of person who's not ever going to make all A's Mostly B's usually. My personality is whats going to get me in pharmacy school. Agree or disagree if you want but I know me...So I dont need advice from people saying "Yea, so best bet for you is to transfer and move to Europe and become a resident there and start over, then maybe you'll get in." LOL, well no one said that but either way its how I see it. But yea, another thing Ive noticed is Ive never seen a school with more females than males in it. And some schools have like 67% females there.. Thats ALOT, I wonder how come schools prefer to pick females over males because I dont really think its much of a lack of interest on the males part anymore, at my schools theres plenty of men persuing prereqs for Pharmacy close to the 45%-55% if not more than that.

I believe that the number of males applying to pharmacy school is increasing each year, however, in the big scheme of things, the male to female applicant ratio is still dominated by women. Most pharmacy schools have more women enrolled. I've actually never found it to be the other way around at any school.

 

[Itoohaveadream]

"Yea, so best bet for you is to transfer and move to Europe and become a resident there and start over, then maybe you'll get in."


*chuckles*

 

[Serenity Now!!!]

But yea, another thing Ive noticed is Ive never seen a school with more females than males in it. And some schools have like 67% females there.. Thats ALOT, I wonder how come schools prefer to pick females over males because I dont really think its much of a lack of interest on the males part anymore, at my schools theres plenty of men persuing prereqs for Pharmacy close to the 45%-55% if not more than that.

I think it has less to do w/ schools picking females over males as much as more qualified females applying...could be, who knows. But I think that these schools are smart enough not to court a law suit if they deliberately picked females over guys.
As far as the race question I have a 99 PCAT comp. and reasonable GPA. I dont need preferential treatment to get in school!!! and most serious 'minority' candidates wouldnt need it either. Personally I doubt your sincerity....(in laymen's terms...I smell a RAT, or TROLL, or someone trying to cause trouble!)

 

[Serenity Now!!!]

you're doing your race a disservice by posting crap like this

He doesnt represent ANYONE but his own ig'nant a$$ so dont start that "youre doing your race a disservice BS!!! alot of people irrespective of race, submit dumb, idiotic, asinine posts, so be careful of what youre implying!! 😡

 

[evilolive]

To provide a more useful discussion on what is considered an underrepresented minority, this site might be helpful as the american medical association is considered a leader in health practices and reform:

http://www.aamc.org/meded/urm/start.htm

http://www.stanford.edu/~sollopez/minority2.html

I asked UMich Ann Arbor and they said they do take diversity into account, so take from that what you will.

 

[KUMoose]

While the number of males applying is increasing surveys have shown they take the same percentage of applicants from both sexes.

Seriously why should you be considered a strong candidate (i.e. one that will get interviews and invites) if you can't eek out a 3.0+ GPA. Personality is great tool but it's not a substitution for being able to maintain large quantaties of information (as most college classes require you to do).

For a variety of reasons, it's a shame that unrelated factors still need to be taken into account to level the playing field. For all of our technical advances there's a large segment of population who's brains haven't caught up to reality.

 

[evilolive]

While the number of males applying is increasing surveys have shown they take the same percentage of applicants from both sexes.

Seriously why should you be considered a strong candidate (i.e. one that will get interviews and invites) if you can't eek out a 3.0+ GPA. Personality is great tool but it's not a substitution for being able to maintain large quantaties of information (as most college classes require you to do).

For a variety of reasons, it's a shame that unrelated factors still need to be taken into account to level the playing field. For all of our technical advances there's a large segment of population who's brains haven't caught up to reality.

I believe it's more of the diversity principle rather than the propagation of unfair admissions practices. Some might contend that this ideology is flawed - which of course is a matter of discussion. I don't the schools are stupid enough to take someone just because of their ethnicity barring the usual statistical elements required for admission. It's a tool for them to help certain (but very small) numbers of people who need that break in life which may be due to persecution/discrimination/lack of resources. I think that affirmative action is more likely to act on those who have had few breaks in life, and in essence, picking out the diamonds from the rough.

 

[rxlynn]

Oh well thanks for you guys approval on whether or not you think I'll get in or not lol... I didnt ask any of you guys for that though I know my chances already. And Im the kind of person who's not ever going to make all A's Mostly B's usually. My personality is whats going to get me in pharmacy school. Agree or disagree if you want but I know me...So I dont need advice from people saying "Yea, so best bet for you is to transfer and move to Europe and become a resident there and start over, then maybe you'll get in." LOL, well no one said that but either way its how I see it. But yea, another thing Ive noticed is Ive never seen a school with more females than males in it. And some schools have like 67% females there.. Thats ALOT, I wonder how come schools prefer to pick females over males because I dont really think its much of a lack of interest on the males part anymore, at my schools theres plenty of men persuing prereqs for Pharmacy close to the 45%-55% if not more than that.

I think it's possible that there are more female applicants simply because there is a larger qualified pool of female applicants. This is because there are now more females than males in the US who pursue education beyond high school level. Your school (and any individual school) might be an exception, but the OVERALL US pool is majority female.

 

[Caliyaddamean]

I believe it's more of the diversity principle rather than the propagation of unfair admissions practices. Some might contend that this ideology is flawed - which of course is a matter of discussion. I don't the schools are stupid enough to take someone just because of their ethnicity barring the usual statistical elements required for admission. It's a tool for them to help certain (but very small) numbers of people who need that break in life which may be due to persecution/discrimination/lack of resources. I think that affirmative action is more likely to act on those who have had few breaks in life, and in essence, picking out the diamonds from the rough.

I would have to agree.....out of all the reponses...i like your response to the thread! 🙂

 

[JamesL1585]

Real good post Evi, I kinda agree with exactly what your saying on all the terms u addressed. Sometimes I think schools have like "loterry picks" or something, those people who when are getting reviewed they just seem unstable in some way whether it be grades, or personality so they have to be highly thought on before being excepted, "The diamond in the rough" Something about them though usually strikes the interviewers though so its not as random as you think because they have several of these people just as of the highly qualified people with impressive grades and scores. Thats where Im kinda "colliding" with the peeps who have 3.9's and 90% PCAT some of them need to realize that Pharmacy school is not all about grades I think you realize it but you dont REALIZE it. I think people skills is one of the most important skills you'll need to develop by becoming a good pharmacist, even more important so if I was ever to pick a student, I'd pick a 3.4 student with a 55% PCAT that is lively and gets involved rather than a 3.9 98% person thats so far into the books that they don't know how to hold conversations or do well under pressure, the "book smart only people" if that makes sense but thats a whole nother topic... lol sorry just got carried away.

 

[abceasyas123]

I don't understand why people act as though they know everything. Maybe schools do let minorities in with lower scores, maybe they don't. I've heard stories from both sides...people that got in with very low scores who is a minority, people who got rejected with awesome scores and backgrounds, AND I've heard people get in with high scores and those with low scores were rejected...etc.etc....

I will never tell someone who has met the pre-req, which is from 2.5-2.8 that they will never get in. Schools do set the minimum req. for a reason. Unless you're on the admissions committee...then let us know.

 

[Moxxie]

I will never tell someone who has met the pre-req, which is from 2.5-2.8 that they will never get in. Schools do set the minimum req. for a reason. Unless you're on the admissions committee...then let us know.

Hmmm... I didn't think that I wanted to get involved in this, but here I go:

I tend to think that the people that are getting in with a sub 3.0 GPA have other things going for them, like ECs. The student with a 3.0 GPA plus lots of pharmacy tech work, volunteer experience, etc. is going to be competitive, just like someone with a 3.9. But a person with a 3.0 and few ECs won't stand as good of a chance getting in, even if they have a "great personality." (I'm not saying that you don't have any of these ECs, James - just that you haven't mentioned the other strengths of your application).

However, as more and more people apply to pharmacy schools every year, there will be more and more applicants with good gpas, fantastic ECs, PLUS "great personalities." It's for this reason that you should try to boost your GPA the best you can. Just because you're a nice person and you're certain that you can be a good pharmacist (regardless of your current gpa) will you get an automatic entry. All things being equal, the person with better stats will (and should) get into pharmacy school.

Also, as much as we want to make this a colorblind world and keep everything equal, race does come into play in many areas of our lives, and I imagine that it does influence the admissions process. It's true that the U.S. needs more black and hispanic pharmacists, but I don't think that the answer is to lower the standards for entrance to certain people while keeping it high for others. That's not fair to anyone (patients, other students, etc.) Evilolive said this better than I can.

 

[taken2]

So let me ask another question and this is for everyone. Do you think its right for minorities to get an "upperhand" at getting into professional schools (Pharmacy in specific if Im in the right forum.)? Being a minority in Pharmacy can mean being of non-anglo racial ethnicities or even just a male (sure ya'll knew that though). I'll be honest my GPA isn't very high, 2.9 but I have room for improvement and making sure that I get at least a 3.0 by application time, but I still think for some reason I have just as good of a chance as anybody at getting into pharmacy school. (Im black male btw) In fact advisors at different schools I contacted when first doing research on Pharmacy Schools have told me being a minority sometimes helps w/ the process as long as your GPA is competitive GPA (2.8-3.2) and a decent PCAT (55-65%). What do ya'll think based on what you've seen from your peers or just your thoughts on this. I know one thing is for sure being Race X w/ a 3.75 GPA and a 65% on the PCAT, you wouldn't have to ask other people's opinions on whether or not you think you'll get into Pharmacy school, I personally think it's okay and only because of the fact that minority students are not very well represented in most schools (Usually never above 40% in most cases).

I didn't want to get into this argument intiationally but I just couldn't hold my self any longer.
From your previous post, I understand you are a student of TSU. This kind of stuff will only get you accepted into a school like TSU or any other black school. I say this because, African Americans want to encourage their young ones to get into school especially the males. Like TSU, they are concerned that Africans and Asians are domintaing the pharmacy school and they don't want that. For any other school, all blacks are considered African American (Africans included). Even if affirmative action does come into play, there are lots of African males with good GPA and Pcat that will take the position.
So basically, what I'm saying is that if it is a Black school, you chances are high and if it is not a black school, then you are competing with Africans, Jamaican and any other black male out there.

 

[JamesL1585]

Yea Moxxie, I chose not to list my EC's because I dont really want people judging me, I'm confident in what I have done for EC's. Also this post isnt about me So thats my other reason for not doing that lol, you can't blame me though as you see some of the other responses. Good post though for your input

 

[Caliyaddamean]

I didn't want to get into this argument intiationally but I just couldn't hold my self any longer.
From your previous post, I understand you are a student of TSU. This kind of stuff will only get you accepted into a school like TSU or any other black school. I say this because, African Americans want to encourage their young ones to get into school especially the males. Like TSU, they are concerned that Africans and Asians are domintaing the pharmacy school and they don't want that. For any other school, all blacks are considered African American (Africans included). Even if affirmative action does come into play, there are lots of African males with good GPA and Pcat that will take the position.
So basically, what I'm saying is that if it is a Black school, you chances are high and if it is not a black school, then you are competing with Africans, Jamaican and any other black male out there.

Are you serious!!!!! 😱 That is so not true...so not true especially about black universities. Your conclusion about TSU being concerend about the domination of other races in pharmacy school is truly false. They do not advocate to high school students who are african american to go to pharmacy school because they are underrepresented nad that asain and africans are "TAKEN OVER" pharmacy school. Black universities advocate individauls to pursue an EDUCATION.....your totally oblivious to the origin of black universities. Please do not reply with any negative or emotional remarks until you do some research...seriously 🙂

 

[drugmanrx]

I don't know that most schools really care what group you are from. Does anyone know of any schools with actual quotas?

Well according to the Supreme Court, there aren't any schools using "quotas" (Michigan state was accused of doing it awhile back). These schools that practice affirmative action consider minority race as a positive factor but somehow don't assign weight to a particular race (that would be unconstitutional) I don't understand how you can give preferential treatment to one race over another and not be considering "adding weight" to a persons application. Could someone explain this to me? Here is a link I found about it:

http://www.mycollegeguide.org/Guru.php?GuruCategoryID=5

 

[ultracet]

He doesnt represent ANYONE but his own ig'nant a$$ so dont start that "youre doing your race a disservice BS!!! alot of people irrespective of race, submit dumb, idiotic, asinine posts, so be careful of what youre implying!!

Oh give me a break!
anyone who thinks the DESERVE something b/c they're a minority is doing their minority a disservice...


like i give a $hit about what race he is... (OR what sex for that matter)

every person in their group should be pissed off that they want sub-par students to represent you

i sure as hell don't want someone from my background with a crappy GPA and PCAT score getting in and making the rest of us look like crap

🙄

and what exactly is it that you think i'm implying?

 

[Serenity Now!!!]

and what exactly is it that you think i'm implying?

Im not even going to play that childish game with you. I think I shouldnt have to spell this out for you. I dont think that you were overtly trying to be offensive but there is a subtle racism in your remark. Personally I feel that this response isnt even worth my time b/c people (I guess youre gonna ask me what i mean by "people" next 🙄 ) on this forum tend to get up on their high horse when someone takes issue with what others say. If youre offended by my remark (which by the defensive tone youre taking suggests), it wasnt intended but dont think someone wouldnt call you on making a silly, offhanded (and very condescending) comment

 

[ultracet]

Im not even going to play that childish game with you. I think I shouldnt have to spell this out for you. I dont think that you were overtly trying to be offensive but there is a subtle racism in your remark. Personally I feel that this response isnt even worth my time b/c people (I guess youre gonna ask me what i mean by "people" next 🙄 ) on this forum tend to get up on their high horse when someone takes issue with what others say. If youre offended by my remark (which by the defensive tone youre taking suggests), it wasnt intended but dont think someone wouldnt call you on making a silly, offhanded (and very condescending) comment

please!

i wasn't trying to be racist!

you're apparently entirely too sensitive....

it has nothing to do with race

it has to do with someone thinking they should get something for nothing

 

[Serenity Now!!!]

please!

i wasn't trying to be racist!

you're apparently entirely too sensitive....

it has nothing to do with race

it has to do with someone thinking they should get something for nothing

Other than that obvious "tit-for- tat" comment about me being too sensitive I totally agree. But you see, thats not what your remark in question was about...Basing an entire race/group/ethnicity on the actions of an individual is the Definition of racism.(please re-read your ORIGINAL comment and refrain from any further emotional outbursts )
I understand If someone has had a lot of hard-knocks and would like to get out of their social quagmire......(hey I grewup in southside, Jamaica NYC 179th st. & Jamaica Ave for those who know) But It seems as if the OP was trying to use it as some sort of crutch...He hasnt responded to me so I cant really gauge where he's coming from...He might be a real nice guy, But hes trying to be a Pharmacist, not a weatherman. Personality will only take so far in this field. and when the ADcom sits down w/ your paperwork they are not only thinking about "who can I get to fill this seat?" but also "who's got what it takes to make it thru' Pharm school?" and they wont accept you based just on your ethnicity and personality!

 

[All4MyDaughter]

I think people skills is one of the most important skills you'll need to develop by becoming a good pharmacist, even more important so if I was ever to pick a student, I'd pick a 3.4 student with a 55% PCAT that is lively and gets involved rather than a 3.9 98% person thats so far into the books that they don't know how to hold conversations or do well under pressure, the "book smart only people"

"People" skills are more important that academic skills? I'm sure you are not trying to imply that being lively and "charming" is more important than the book knowledge and practical skills of being a pharmacist.

Oh, and save the stereotypes. People who have high GPA and PCAT scores are frequently just as outgoing and involved as people with lower scores. It's a myth that you have to be a socially ******ed bookworm to acheive academically.

Personally, as a patient - I want the pharmacist who excelled academically in school, learned his craft well, AND is personable. Those people do exist and are not as rare as you might think.

 

[that1guy]

Wow, this thread makes me feel so much better about my chances.

Not only am I half Caucasian, half African-American, half Mexican-American, half Native-American and two-thirds Polish, but also I'm a hermaphrodite with a 99% composite on my PCAT, a 4.O GPA and good people skills. Plus I have three testicles! I'm a lock! 😀

 

[imperial frog]

Not without the 4th.

 

[n0estoy]

some people need to acknowledge that not all races are born on a level playing field. that said, i don't need or want anyone pulling me in on their coat-tails BUT race is something that should be taken into account not only for the above reason, but also to help address health disparities that afflict the minority populations within the US.

 

[taken2]

Are you serious!!!!! 😱 That is so not true...so not true especially about black universities. Your conclusion about TSU being concerend about the domination of other races in pharmacy school is truly false. They do not advocate to high school students who are african american to go to pharmacy school because they are underrepresented nad that asain and africans are "TAKEN OVER" pharmacy school. Black universities advocate individauls to pursue an EDUCATION.....your totally oblivious to the origin of black universities. Please do not reply with any negative or emotional remarks until you do some research...seriously 🙂

I don't need any other research, I am a student of TSU and yes, they do recruite high school students to go into pharmacy. their pre-health club members frequent several high school around the school. I know what I'm saying and you don't have to believe me. I have some African American friends from last year who got accepted with 2.6-3.0 gpa and crappy pcat (when I say crappy, I mean real crappy) while some asians and africans in my class with the same gpa and high pcat did not even get an interview. Dr Milton makes it happen at TSU. Ask around, it is not even a secret 😉

 

[poppopfizzfizz]

Wow, this thread makes me feel so much better about my chances.

Not only am I half Caucasian, half African-American, half Mexican-American, half Native-American and two-thirds Polish, but also I'm a hermaphrodite with a 99% composite on my PCAT, a 4.O GPA and good people skills. Plus I have three testicles! I'm a lock! 😀

Yeah, but do you have blond hair? I hear that's the real deal breaker right there... 😉

 

[that1guy]

Not without the 4th.

Actually, I was born with a fourth testicle but I had it removed because it was on the back of my neck. You'd be surprised how quickly a testicle on the back of your neck can turn off potential mates. I always thought it was a sign of virility. Oh well.

Anyway, I still have my fourth testicle in a jar on my living room mantle. Do you think it would help my chances if I brought it along to future interviews?

 

[that1guy]

Yeah, but do you have blond hair? I hear that's the real deal breaker right there... 😉

I forgot to mention I was an albino. Does white hair count as blonde? Now you're getting me nervous again.

 

[Caliyaddamean]

I didn't want to get into this argument intiationally but I just couldn't hold my self any longer.
From your previous post, I understand you are a student of TSU. This kind of stuff will only get you accepted into a school like TSU or any other black school. I say this because, African Americans want to encourage their young ones to get into school especially the males. Like TSU, they are concerned that Africans and Asians are domintaing the pharmacy school and they don't want that. For any other school, all blacks are considered African American (Africans included). Even if affirmative action does come into play, there are lots of African males with good GPA and Pcat that will take the position.
So basically, what I'm saying is that if it is a Black school, you chances are high and if it is not a black school, then you are competing with Africans, Jamaican and any other black male out there.

I had to go back to your previous"original statement"....you made not only a statement about TSU but you made a generalization about black schools! I was commenting about your whole statement not just TSU! I seriously doubt from what you said in the above statement that..."African Americans ...like TSU are concernend that African and Asians are dominating the pharmacy school adn they dont want that"......Dr. Milton has give you this imprression about African Americans motives concerning pharmacy schools...his actions are your basis on making a statement about African American as a whole concerning pharmacy school..right? Im sorry you feel that way and I sooooo sorry that this one person...one person has given you this impression! I think you need to speak to some other idividuals at other black institiutions....it might be very enlightning.....here is a list FAMU, Xavier, Hampton!!

 

[Serenity Now!!!]

Has this thread degenerated into a flame war yet?? or am I jumping the gun?? 😀

 

[lostplato]

Wow, this is a really touchy subject but I still think it must be addressed. I went to school at a large university and although, initially I wasn't a fan of affirmitive action, I do know that I gained a lot from being around an ethnically diverse group of people. I am caucasian, grew up on a small farm in a town predominantly white. I feel that I gained a lot from being around different ethnicities and I think I am a better person now for that experience. With that being said, I think that the admissions shouldn't rely on minority status but on financial hardship. I did not have very much money growing up, parents on government aid. In addition to this there was only one school for me to go to which was ranked one of the worst in the state. I think that people who have financial hardships and are working to improve their lives should be given a better chance at being admitted, regardless of their race. I have this friend whos parents are very very well off and he is of Indian decent. He always talks about how he is a minority and how he should be given "extra" chances in society. He went to a private school, completely paid for, plus his parents still pay his rent and everything else. Me on the other hand, although I am not a minority, had a more difficult time growing up and getting into a college and paying for it for that matter. With all this being said, I think I am a fan of looking more closely at one's financial situation rather than race. But...I still think that college campuses and Universitys must still contain a diverse student body, for the benefit of all students and society.

 

[Serenity Now!!!]

I think that the admissions shouldn't rely on minority status but on financial hardship. I did not have very much money growing up, parents on government aid. In addition to this there was only one school for me to go to which was ranked one of the worst in the state. I think that people who have financial hardships and are working to improve their lives should be given a better chance at being admitted, regardless of their race. I have this friend whos parents are very very well off and he is of Indian decent. He always talks about how he is a minority and how he should be given "extra" chances in society. He went to a private school, completely paid for, plus his parents still pay his rent and everything else. Me on the other hand, although I am not a minority, had a more difficult time growing up and getting into a college and paying for it for that matter. With all this being said, I think I am a fan of looking more closely at one's financial situation rather than race. But...I still think that college campuses and Universitys must still contain a diverse student body, for the benefit of all students and society.

I think that your points is so valid... I commend you for trying to bring reason (and sanity) back to this debate, I dont really understand why pols. havnt suggested this b/c this example w/ your rich friend happens more often than people know