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[drabberbadge]

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Hi I am 25 years old,
What are my chances? I have a shot at MD /Do schools
Where?
My undergrad Cgpa is 3.69
My undergrad science is 3.64
I had a major upward trend
I did my master s of science and got a gpa of 3.65
I did research for 6 months, 3 years of clinical work/shadowing, worked at a retail store,was a waiter at a restaurant, participated in an exotic car rental company, worked at a liver health clinic, participated in many volunteer events (eye clinic).
I took the mcat 3 times
First time I got a 497 (123/127/123/124)and applied to MD and 1 DO school . I got one interview at a DO school in Pomona CA
But ultimately rejected
I then took the mcat again and got a 497 again (124/124/123/127)so I didn't apply
Just recently I got my third MCAT which is a 505 (128/126/124/127)
I feel my 124 in bio is a big red flag
Anyways should I apply? Do I have any chances anywhere in the US? School list help?
Need a school list for both MD and DO
Thanks

 

[Ehwic]

You will be good with DO. I would suggest state schools for MD.

 

[Goro]

Hi I am 25 years old,
What are my chances? I have a shot at MD /Do schools
Where?
My undergrad Cgpa is 3.69
My undergrad science is 3.64
I had a major upward trend
I did my master s of science and got a gpa of 3.65
I did research for 6 months, 3 years of clinical work/shadowing, worked at a retail store,was a waiter at a restaurant, participated in an exotic car rental company, worked at a liver health clinic, participated in many volunteer events (eye clinic).
I took the mcat 3 times
First time I got a 497 (123/127/123/124)and applied to MD and 1 DO school . I got one interview at a DO school in Pomona CA
But ultimately rejected
I then took the mcat again and got a 497 again (124/124/123/127)so I didn't apply
Just recently I got my third MCAT which is a 505 (128/126/124/127)
I feel my 124 in bio is a big red flag
Anyways should I apply? Do I have any chances anywhere in the US? School list help?
Need a school list for both MD and DO
Thanks

Apply broadly to DO schools, especially targeting the newest schools. For MD, go with your state school(s).

 

[drabberbadge]

Which are the new do schools ? Do I have a chance at meharry?

 

[zukunft195]

Which are the new do schools ? Do I have a chance at meharry?

Are you a URM? If you are not a URM, then almost certainly not. Your experience doesn't seem to indicate a deep interest in serving underserved ethnic populations.

 

[Peach Newport]

505 is pretty low for MD

 

[drabberbadge]

Are you a URM? If you are not a URM, then almost certainly not. Your experience doesn't seem to indicate a deep interest in serving underserved ethnic populations.

I am a South African American, 6 generations from South Africa but born in LA, i look middle eastern tho

 

[zukunft195]

I am a South African American, 6 generations from South Africa but born in LA, i look middle eastern tho

OK. As you know, "South African" is a nationality, and "looks Middle Eastern" isn't a race. Are you black? Have you described yourself in official documents as black?

 

[drabberbadge]

not black

 

[zukunft195]

OK. Apply to DO and in-state public MD; your best bet is DO.

 

[Peach Newport]

not black

Then you're not URM. URM essentially refers to 3 main ethnic groups: Black, Latino, and Native American.

If you're one of these groups, you will have a substantially easier time getting into medical school (need lower stats), because these groups are severely under-represented in medicine and are more likely to work in underserved communities.

If you're white, you're kind of in the middle.

If you're East Asian, Indian/South Asian, or, to a slightly lesser extent, middle eastern, you're "ORM," and you're gonna have a harder time (need higher stats) to get into medical school.

 

[drabberbadge]

I am born in Los Angeles and my family is from South Africa... I am not middle eastern or asian... so what do i put? other and then south african american?

 

[zukunft195]

I am born in Los Angeles and my family is from South Africa... I am not middle eastern or asian... so what do i put? other and then south african american?

Caucasian. White.

 

[TheaterOfTheme]

Caucasian. White.

White encompasses so many nationalities.


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[zukunft195]

White encompasses so many nationalities.
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Yes, but it sounds like OP's race is white. No URM status.

 

[drabberbadge]

Yes, but it sounds like OP's race is white. No URM status.

The thing is I am not white, I'm from a South African family but born in LA, I look more Persian and middle eastern however I'm neither of those. Often get mistaken for Arab or Persian

 

[drabberbadge]

Can I put other and then South African american ? Or would u recommend putting white ? Which is better for my app?! I want to be accepted lol

 

[zukunft195]

Can I put other and then South African american ? Or would u recommend putting white ? Which is better for my app?! I want to be accepted lol

I just wanted to know if you were a URM, in order to give you a better idea of your chances. I don't feel like getting into a complicated discussion about your ancestry.

Just answer everything honestly on your applications. Good luck.

 

[ICUBlue]

Then you're not URM. URM essentially refers to 3 main ethnic groups: Black, Latino, and Native American.

If you're one of these groups, you will have a substantially easier time getting into medical school (need lower stats), because these groups are severely under-represented in medicine and are more likely to work in underserved communities.

If you're white, you're kind of in the middle.

If you're East Asian, Indian/South Asian, or, to a slightly lesser extent, middle eastern, you're "ORM," and you're gonna have a harder time (need higher stats) to get into medical school.

I didn't realize white was more in the middle and not strictly ORM


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[zukunft195]

I didn't realize white was more in the middle and not strictly ORM

Well, the URM/ORM concept is based on a relative scale, with whites being arbitrarily set as the standard. Asian applicants are ORMs relative to whites, and black and Hispanic applicants are URMs relative to whites.

 

[ICUBlue]

So what's the practical application for admission statistics? Bc I thought based on AAMC data that being Asian was about the same as being white in terms of stats required on average for admission


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[OchemOficionado]

The thing is I am not white, I'm from a South African family but born in LA, I look more Persian and middle eastern however I'm neither of those. Often get mistaken for Arab or Persian

This is hilarious. You don't seem to know your own race. How is that possible?

 

[zukunft195]

So what's the practical application for admission statistics? Bc I thought based on AAMC data that being Asian was about the same as being white in terms of stats required on average for admission


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Asian applicants, on average, have to have better stats than white applicants, on average, to in order achieve comparable results (if we hold other application factors constant).

The AAMC data supports this. Asians have lower odds of acceptance than whites at any given GPA/MCAT range.

 

[DanseMacabre99]

I'm Asian. Should I not mention my race in my application then?

 

[zukunft195]

I'm Asian. Should I not mention my race in my application then?

They'd just assume that you're white or Asian. Not sure if it'd really help much. Also, don't most schools require that you submit a photograph of yourself, anyway?

 

[OchemOficionado]

I'm Asian. Should I not mention my race in my application then?

Don't take my word for it, but they may be able to see that you're Asian if you're interviewed.

Don't focus on how to game the system, focus on submitting your best app.