Change to HPSP payback?

[Big Time Hoosier]

So…I heard they made some big changes to the HPSP payback for those that went active duty after October 2020. I heard that you have to do your 4 year payback as would be expected. But rather than 4 years in the IRR afterwards, you are required to do another 2 years active duty or 2 years in the active reserve, and then 2 years in the IRR.

Can anyone confirm this?

Big Hoss

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[averageasian]

So…I heard they made some big changes to the HPSP payback for those that went active duty after October 2020. I heard that you have to do your 4 year payback as would be expected. But rather than 4 years in the IRR afterwards, you are required to do another 2 years active duty or 2 years in the active reserve, and then 2 years in the IRR.

Can anyone confirm this?

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Big Hoss

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[salmongrid]

This is correct. 2 years SELRES + 2 years IRR

 

[knewstance]

Active Army here... I'll have to double check my contract, but I'm pretty sure it's 4AD/4IRR.
Potentially could be a Navy thing?

 

[Big Time Hoosier]

I'll have to double check my contract

That’s the thing, they “changed” the contract retroactively. I heard it was just announced in the Navy’s Weekly Dental Update.

If you’re in the IRR, they still own you. If they want to force you AD those 4 years, they’re well within their “rights.”

Big Hoss

 

[knewstance]

they “changed” the contract retroactively

I see what you mean that they can do whatever they want during IRR, but legally they can't change a contract retroactively. Opening the gov to major lawsuits on that.

Verbiage of my contract:
I understand that in return for a 4 academic year scholarship, I shall serve 4 years, 0 months, 0 days on extended active duty and serve 4 years, 0 months, 0 days in the individual ready reserve (IRR), unless it is mutually agreed that the portion of the service in the IRR shall be served on active duty or in the Selected Reserve.

 

[Big Time Hoosier]

Anyone wonder why I don’t trust the government or the military/industrial complex? Anyone wonder why the number of vets recommending military service to others has plummeted?

I could not have been more proud to have served alongside other young Sailors and Marines who felt a sense of duty driving their decision to serve. These are the true patriots. The Pentagon and our country’s civilian leadership can pound sand.

The short book War is a Racket by General Smedley Butler should be required reading for anyone considering joining the military.

An ode to the MIC…



Big Hoss

 

[pawprint]

They cannot “retroactively change” your contract. If you signed paperwork that says you owe 4 years active duty and 4 years IRR, then that’s what you owe. If you separate and go into the IRR, there is a LOT of red tape that is required to activate someone from the IRR (there has to be a specific mission, and it has to be ordered by the President).

Now, if they changed the contract and you signed something you didn’t read, that’s on you. And if the service refuses to let you resign from active duty using a stop-loss reasoning (which again, requires very high approval to do and is not currently happening), that’s also different. But nobody can force you into the active reserve if your contract says you will go into the IRR.

 

[Helpful Troll]

So can anyone confirm if Navy HPSP for contracts going forward are going to be 4+2+2 or not?

Reach out to a Navy AMEDD recruiter. They will have the contract. However, if a physician, there are many HPSP paths that require more than four years on AD completing your HPSP service obligation after training. For example, interruptions in training for GMO/OMO and returning to a military residency or selection for a military residency that is 6 years (general surgery includes a research year) so the obligation is five years after completion of training.

Your MSO (Military Service Obligation) is always eight years regardless of Navy, AF, or Army. If in the IRR you can be pulled back to AD or active Reserves. Title 10 US Code section 651.

 

[pawprint]

Reach out to a Navy AMEDD recruiter. They will have the contract. However, if a physician, there are many HPSP paths that require more than four years on AD completing your HPSP service obligation after training. For example, interruptions in training for GMO/OMO and returning to a military residency or selection for a military residency that is 6 years (general surgery includes a research year) so the obligation is five years after completion of training.

Your MSO (Military Service Obligation) is always eight years regardless of Navy, AF, or Army. If in the IRR you can be pulled back to AD or active Reserves. Title 10 US Code section 651.

There is a lot of red tape to pull someone in the IRR back onto active duty or the active reserve. Most notable, the President has to sign off on an order that activates specific MOS’s that are needed for a specific mission.

This has not happened in about 20 years for MC officers. The closest it got was during COVID, IRR folks were contacted and asked if they wanted to return to AD but there was never an order signed off to force folks to do so.

The IRR activation is a common scare tactic used by recruiters to encourage folks to sign up for active reserves instead

 

[Big Time Hoosier]

There is a lot of red tape to pull someone in the IRR back onto active duty or the active reserve.

Nothing that a little “kinetic military action” in Europe or the ME can’t handle…

Big Hoss