Child Programs

[doctor4ever]

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I was hoping we could start a thread describing child psych programs around the country.

How many spots per year?
Are all of the child fellows graduates from their general psych program?
Strengths?
Weaknesses?
Any moonlighting opportunities?

I’ll start with my program (University of Kansas):
How many spots per year? 2

Are all of the child fellows graduates from their general psych program? They prefer to have their own residents, but will accept candidates from other programs

Strengths? Strong research with MR/Autism population, the attendings are great to work with, supportive PD, good inpatient exposure

Weaknesses? Small program with limited exposure to C/L and forensic

Any moonlighting opportunities? Yes

 

[Doc Samson]

I was hoping we could start a thread describing child psych programs around the country.

How many spots per year?
Are all of the child fellows graduates from their general psych program?
Strengths?
Weaknesses?
Any moonlighting opportunities?

I’ll start with my program (University of Kansas):
How many spots per year? 2

Are all of the child fellows graduates from their general psych program? They prefer to have their own residents, but will accept candidates from other programs

Strengths? Strong research with MR/Autism population, the attendings are great to work with, supportive PD, good inpatient exposure

Weaknesses? Small program with limited exposure to C/L and forensic

Any moonlighting opportunities? Yes

Not "my" program, but the one I know the most about.

MGH/McLean Child and Adolescent:

How many spots per year? 9

Are all of the child fellows graduates from their general psych program? No, but 2 of the slots are reserved for the combined 5 year Adult/Child program

Strengths? Big name program with big name faculty. Training in multiple treatment modalities in multiple treatment settings. Research availability in pretty much anthing you can think of. Widely considered "the best", if you care about that sort of thing.

Weaknesses? None that they'll admit to. 😉 In reality, some perceived conflict between the psychopharmacologists (it's all bipolar DO) and the psychotherapists (it's all attachment problems).

Any moonlighting opportunities? Yes (it's Boston, there's pretty much a psychiatric hospital on every corner).

 

[doctor4ever]

If anyone has information about programs, please reply. Advice for applying to child programs?

 

[icebreakers]

dOC samson,

re: child/adult programs. do you need to apply directly from medical school, or do you apply from residency? if both are available, which is easier? 5years for combo, right? also

for getting training in psychoanalysis. am i correct in saying that it is a 4-5year training program and that you can begin it in your second year of residency? so then you would have 1 year after residency?

how do people usually get their psychoanalysis training completed? is it encouraged by residency programs? the training is usually done by a state institute, correct?

Not "my" program, but the one I know the most about.

MGH/McLean Child and Adolescent:

How many spots per year? 9

Are all of the child fellows graduates from their general psych program? No, but 2 of the slots are reserved for the combined 5 year Adult/Child program

Strengths? Big name program with big name faculty. Training in multiple treatment modalities in multiple treatment settings. Research availability in pretty much anthing you can think of. Widely considered "the best", if you care about that sort of thing.

Weaknesses? None that they'll admit to. 😉 In reality, some perceived conflict between the psychopharmacologists (it's all bipolar DO) and the psychotherapists (it's all attachment problems).

Any moonlighting opportunities? Yes (it's Boston, there's pretty much a psychiatric hospital on every corner).

 

[Doc Samson]

dOC samson,

re: child/adult programs. do you need to apply directly from medical school, or do you apply from residency? if both are available, which is easier? 5years for combo, right?

Combined 5-year Adult/Child programs are applied to right out of medical school, or you can match into an adult program then "fast track" into child by applying for the fellowship during your PGY-3 year, also doing a total of 5 years. I'm not sure what you mean by easier... they're both the same amount of work, the combined program gives you the guarantee of the fellowship training right out of medical school.

for getting training in psychoanalysis. am i correct in saying that it is a 4-5year training program and that you can begin it in your second year of residency? so then you would have 1 year after residency?
how do people usually get their psychoanalysis training completed? is it encouraged by residency programs? the training is usually done by a state institute, correct?

I'm no expert in psychoanalysis, but the training is not a time-defined thing. You have to undergo analysis yourself, then do ~4-5 fully supervised analyses of your own. Given that analysis generally means a 1hour session 5 days per week, it's very difficult to do more than 2 of those at the same time, since they're unpaid and take time away from your chance to earn money. During residency you might have time to start undergoing your own analysis, but training generally begins after residency is completed. The training is done under the auspices of a Psychoanalytic Institute, which generally is a private organization, with no ties to the state.

 

[icebreakers]

thanks..

samson,
do you know anyone on the forum who has gotten or is in the process of receivnig their psychoanalysis training? so you know how many years it takes after residency? how much overlap is there possible to have with your residency?

Combined 5-year Adult/Child programs are applied to right out of medical school, or you can match into an adult program then "fast track" into child by applying for the fellowship during your PGY-3 year, also doing a total of 5 years. I'm not sure what you mean by easier... they're both the same amount of work, the combined program gives you the guarantee of the fellowship training right out of medical school.



I'm no expert in psychoanalysis, but the training is not a time-defined thing. You have to undergo analysis yourself, then do ~4-5 fully supervised analyses of your own. Given that analysis generally means a 1hour session 5 days per week, it's very difficult to do more than 2 of those at the same time, since they're unpaid and take time away from your chance to earn money. During residency you might have time to start undergoing your own analysis, but training generally begins after residency is completed. The training is done under the auspices of a Psychoanalytic Institute, which generally is a private organization, with no ties to the state.

 

[Doc Samson]

thanks..

samson,
do you know anyone on the forum who has gotten or is in the process of receivnig their psychoanalysis training? so you know how many years it takes after residency? how much overlap is there possible to have with your residency?

I don't.. maybe you could ask them. 😉

Again, there is no specified number of years. If you're completely f*cked up, your own analysis might take 10 years to complete by itself.

 

[gardilimo]

Can you name some of the 5 yr programs that you can apply for straight out of medical school?? I have not come across them.

Combined 5-year Adult/Child programs are applied to right out of medical school, or you can match into an adult program then "fast track" into child by applying for the fellowship during your PGY-3 year, also doing a total of 5 years. I'm not sure what you mean by easier... they're both the same amount of work, the combined program gives you the guarantee of the fellowship training right out of medical school.



I'm no expert in psychoanalysis, but the training is not a time-defined thing. You have to undergo analysis yourself, then do ~4-5 fully supervised analyses of your own. Given that analysis generally means a 1hour session 5 days per week, it's very difficult to do more than 2 of those at the same time, since they're unpaid and take time away from your chance to earn money. During residency you might have time to start undergoing your own analysis, but training generally begins after residency is completed. The training is done under the auspices of a Psychoanalytic Institute, which generally is a private organization, with no ties to the state.

 

[Doc Samson]

Can you name some of the 5 yr programs that you can apply for straight out of medical school?? I have not come across them.

I know MGH/McLean has one for sure... 2 slots per year. I think Brown might have one, but that's where my "expertise" ends. Not my field. I'll consult Mrs. Doc Samson and let you know.

 

[Doc Samson]

I know MGH/McLean has one for sure... 2 slots per year. I think Brown might have one, but that's where my "expertise" ends. Not my field. I'll consult Mrs. Doc Samson and let you know.

Consultation yielded one more: UMass

 

[icebreakers]

any child and adolescent program already includes training in adult psychiatry as a prerequisite, right?

Consultation yielded one more: UMass