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I'm curious what others are thanking about Children's National in DC. I really think the program is perfect on paper, but I've heard lots of mixed things about what it is really like, and I'm hoping it's outdated. I didn't get any bad vibes on my interview day, but still... Is it malignant? Is it non-academic? Is it cliquey? I'd love to hear other's thoughts on the program. Everything else on this board seems pretty old (and also quite mixed). Thanks!

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I'm curious what others are thanking about Children's National in DC. I really think the program is perfect on paper, but I've heard lots of mixed things about what it is really like, and I'm hoping it's outdated. I didn't get any bad vibes on my interview day, but still... Is it malignant? Is it non-academic? Is it cliquey? I'd love to hear other's thoughts on the program. Everything else on this board seems pretty old (and also quite mixed). Thanks!

Take this with a grain of salt as it's absolutely 2nd hand info.

One of the interns at my program did an away there as a 4th year. They felt the residents were quite arrogant and cliqueish, which did not sit well with the intern and was enough of a turnoff that they chose not to rank the program. That's all the information I have.
 
Take this with a grain of salt as it's absolutely 2nd hand info.

One of the interns at my program did an away there as a 4th year. They felt the residents were quite arrogant and cliqueish, which did not sit well with the intern and was enough of a turnoff that they chose not to rank the program. That's all the information I have.

It's secondhand stuff like this that has gotten me a little worried...
 
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I'm currently a pediatric neurology fellow at CNMC. I did my pediatric residency here, and was also a medical student at GW, so I spent most of my 4th year rotations here. I've seen a couple of these posts and I thought I should pass along some first-hand information about my own experiences here.

I cannot speak highly enough about the program at Children's National. From a clinical training perspective, the attendings here are top-notch in their fields, and are absolutely dedicated to teaching. Many of them have participated in the Master Teacher's program at GW, which is modeled after the Baylor program that essentially allows attendings to earn a teaching degree focused on adult learning and medical education. The attendings are approachable and the residents interact with them mostly on a first-name basis. These people have been my mentors since I was a medical student, and it should say something that I started my clinical rotations convinced that the one field I would not even consider would be pediatrics.

The attendings and residents are constantly looking for ways to do more teaching, and it means that the program is constantly improving. While I was a resident, small team-based didactics were usually being done after rounds, and would often be skipped if rounds ran long and residents had to get to noon conference. The solution was to formally move team-based didactics to before rounds. Rounds still ended at about the same time (because as you will find, clinical rounds can expand to fill whatever time is available), but for the second half of my intern year, formal didactics were done on the assigned mornings without fail. There is also very good clinical teaching on rounds and at the bedside. Formally, there is residency-wide case conference two mornings per week, Grand Rounds every Wednesday morning, and Professorial Rounds (think hospital-wide case conference) every Thursday at noon. Every day except Thursday, there is noon conference for all the peds residents from noon to 1pm, during which the chiefs hold all the pagers to protect that time for learning (another improvement instituted during my training).

This is by no means a malignant program, but the residents work very hard. We are a busy hospital - in addition to the unusual and esoteric stuff that will be referred to any children's hospital, we are the primary source of in-patient care for most of the pediatric patient's in the DC community, so you see a lot of the bread-and-butter pediatric cases as well. My experience, however, was that the residents always went out of their way to find out if anyone was overburdened and always stepped up to help each other out.

I never felt that the residents were "cliquish", but I can see how some people visiting the program may have gotten that impression. I think it is more a function of the fact that despite being a very large program (now almost 40 residents per year), it still feels very intimate. You know everyone you work with, and I consider all of the residents I trained with to be good friends, with whom I still keep in touch. Remember, residency is different than any job you may have had before. You are going to have a closer relationship with these people than you have ever had with a set of co-workers, and you will be relying on them for a lot of support. I think the closeness we all had with each other was a plus, but I can see how it might make us appear cliquish to visiting residents or students.

Anyways, I think this is a phenomenal hospital. It will train you to be an excellent general pediatrician, or prepare you to go into whatever sub-specialty you might be considering and be successful there as well. If you are at all interested in health policy or global health, you will have numerous opportunities to explore that while in this program as well.

I would be happy to answer any additional questions about the program as well if anyone wants to send my a message through SDN.
 
I'm curious what others are thanking about Children's National in DC. I really think the program is perfect on paper, but I've heard lots of mixed things about what it is really like, and I'm hoping it's outdated. I didn't get any bad vibes on my interview day, but still... Is it malignant? Is it non-academic? Is it cliquey? I'd love to hear other's thoughts on the program. Everything else on this board seems pretty old (and also quite mixed). Thanks!

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How does one compare and contrast between rainbow babies and cnmc...i understand they are both great programs...but if anyone has had experiences at both the places..any comments..?? thank you so much
 
I'd really appreciate a reply..I need to decide now for certain reasons...oldbearprofessor any light you can shed on this...thank you so much
 
I'd really appreciate a reply..I need to decide now for certain reasons...oldbearprofessor any light you can shed on this...thank you so much

Sorry, they are both great programs, but you're gonna have to make your own assessment here.

DC area and the greater Cleveland area are both great places to live and yes I've lived in both areas in my life..... I think I'd go more for DC if I was single and looking to meet people, more for Cleveland if I was not single and looking to find a relatively less expensive house.

There, did that help?😛
 
would also like to hear your thoughts DickyV. Thanks in advance!
 
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I'd be interested as well...I'm sure there are others...would you mind posting whatever you PM'd, DickyV? If you'd rather not post, then I'll jump on the "me too!" bandwagon.
 
Clearly all of you guys have some sort of opinion or thoughts too... What did you all think about your interview day?
 
Clearly all of you guys have some sort of opinion or thoughts too... What did you all think about your interview day?

i actually really liked it so didn't see where all these 'rumors' i keep hearing second hand from everyone i meet. everyone was really friendly, seems like the residents get really good support. i actually was wondering if anyone thought it was too big and/or too fellow run? Did anyone get any opinion of this subject from residents?
 
i'd love your thoughts on DC Children's too, DickyV. Thanks!
 
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=10201441&postcount=2

(link to a post i made last fall)

i think you can get an excellent education there, and my persepctive is from one of the "outsiders" and is consistent with what eviorr posted. perhaps it is an issue of perspective, and i can understand not caring as much when a visiting resident is crushed as your colleague, but it sometimes felt like we were there simply to decrease the workload of the CNMC folks. they were friendly, but were obviously more eager to help each other than people they didn't know as well.

Honestly, the clinical experience was great, the biggest annoyance by far was the REACH time-out shenanigans, lol.

-- your friendly neighborhood moving back to DC for fellowship caveman
 
i interviewed at children's national too, DickyV! i'd really really appreciate your input. 🙂
 
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