Chiro to DO

[LaMigra]

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Just curious if any DO students out there have former chiropractors in their classes. I read a post in the DPM section of one person who began DO school and is a chiropractor. Is this common? He said you can get into DO school with 1 year of chiro under your belt. Just wanted to know if anyone has heard of this happening.

 

[OSUdoc08]

Just curious if any DO students out there have former chiropractors in their classes. I read a post in the DPM section of one person who began DO school and is a chiropractor. Is this common? He said you can get into DO school with 1 year of chiro under your belt. Just wanted to know if anyone has heard of this happening.

Yes,

One of our OMM instructors did a year of DC school.

We also have a current intern in internal medicine from our school who did a year of DC.

 

[Runtita]

We have a DC and a DPM in our class; both are having to start from scratch and do all the classes.

 

[Inquiringmind24]

Here at AZCOM we have one DC in our class. I'm not sure how long he was practicing before starting med school. The guy really knows his stuff and everything has been a breese for him so far. I had wondered who keeps getting 100% or more on our exams and I think he's one of them.

 

[babyruth]

We had 2 DC in our class, but only one continued on to rotations. We also have a handful of PAs, NPs, and a dietition, etc. I think they still had to meet the basic science credits and take the MCAT to get into the school though.

 

[Robz]

Here we have a DPM and a DC. The DPM is part of a joint program with barry where they came into 2nd year after their school. The DC started from scratch.

 

[Buckeye(OH)]

We have a DC and a DPM in our class; both are having to start from scratch and do all the classes.

same, we have a pharmacist too....well, she didn't take the boards.

 

[s42brown]

Yeah, ME. I was in the DC program at Logan before I left to go to ATSU. I feel I had a great education to build on for med school. 😎

 

[LaMigra]

Yeah, ME. I was in the DC program at Logan before I left to go to ATSU. I feel I had a great education to build on for med school. 😎

I have a friend who's going to Logan in May 2006. What did you study at ATSU? And where are you now?

 

[BMW19]

I believe I may have been the DC that posted in DPM forum. I am currently a first year DO student. I don't think I said that you can get into DO with one year of chiro under your belt so maybe that was not me, I have to check. What I prob. meant (if that was me) was that if you were going to drop out of chiro, the experience could only help as long as you can explain it properly to the Adcoms. I personally had two years of practice under my belt as a chiro before I applied. I think the experience helped me a great deal and would not change it if I could. That being said, if I had known more about DO b/f going chiro I might have just gone that route.

BMW-

Just curious if any DO students out there have former chiropractors in their classes. I read a post in the DPM section of one person who began DO school and is a chiropractor. Is this common? He said you can get into DO school with 1 year of chiro under your belt. Just wanted to know if anyone has heard of this happening.

 

[realmdo]

We have 35 MDs in our class. How about that?

 

[babyruth]

Where do you go? (You do mean Medical doctor, correct? And if so, why are they going through medical school again?)

 

[OSUdoc08]

We have 35 MDs in our class. How about that?

Right.

 

[HunterGatherer]

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[realmdo]

Where do you go? (You do mean Medical doctor, correct? And if so, why are they going through medical school again?)

http://iris.nyit.edu/nycom/Admissions_EPP_Program.htm
http://iris.nyit.edu/nycom/Admissions_EPP_Program.htm

If you go to above link, you will know what I mean.
I have some comments about this program. By the way, it's the NYCOM I am talking about.
1. Those FMGs re do the med school because a) some of them have passed USMLE and fulfilled all the requirements but could not find a residency spot or could not find a spot they like. b) some of them didn't try to apply for the residency for whatever reasons.
2. most of them are from Russia, others from Asia, Africa, south America etc. They are usually older, mature and have a lot of clinical experience. many of them had practiced medicine in their countries. One person was a neurosurgeon, an awesome guy, always likes to help others.
3. Since many of them take both COMLEX and USMLE and go to allopathic programs, they can use either MD or DO to apply for the license and put MD,DO behind their names. Sounds pretty odd but that's not $45 MD got from Ca in 60s. It's hard to image going through med school twice, right?

 

[BrianDC2DO]

As the name shows, I'm a DC on my way to become a DO. I've been a practicing DC for 6 years now. Currently I'm re-doing my BCPM pre-med classes to apply to med school in a couple years. Apparently, GPA is important for med school. :O
So I thoroughly enjoy seeing patients & taking a direct, active role in their care. However, I can't stand being stuck as an alternative hammer salesman working in a hammer store, where I'm supposed to sell...you guessed it....hammers. Obviously there are many more reasons for my career change, but I just wanted to vent via humor.
Anyone have a similar experience or know someone who is/was?
Thanks for sharing!

 

[PharmaTope]

same, we have a pharmacist too....well, she didn't take the boards.

she didnt take the boards?

 

[hawkeye pierce]

I assume she graduated and did take the law or the naplex. So in other words not licensed.

 

[hawkeye pierce]

Also are those "MD"'s in your class actually md's? or do they have mbbs etc?

 

[Buckeye4life]

There is a DC in the class below me, and I have met two former DCs who are now in ortho residency.

 

[vanbamm]

I am a 4th year DC student- one of our professors was a DC before going back to medical school at UB and is now a professor there and practices orthopedic surgery...we also have another DC to MD on our staff that is a radiologist at one of the hospitals in the city. I'm not sure what the stipulation is- but after talking to them, they both had to start from year 3 because they already had all the basic sciences and clinical courses.

 

[tehdude]

I am a 4th year DC student- one of our professors was a DC before going back to medical school at UB and is now a professor there and practices orthopedic surgery...we also have another DC to MD on our staff that is a radiologist at one of the hospitals in the city. I'm not sure what the stipulation is- but after talking to them, they both had to start from year 3 because they already had all the basic sciences and clinical courses.

I wasn't aware chiropractors studied genetics, immunology, psychiatry, histology, etc.

 

[taylormade2006]

I am a 4th year DC student- one of our professors was a DC before going back to medical school at UB and is now a professor there and practices orthopedic surgery...we also have another DC to MD on our staff that is a radiologist at one of the hospitals in the city. I'm not sure what the stipulation is- but after talking to them, they both had to start from year 3 because they already had all the basic sciences and clinical courses.

This doesn't fly anymore, you'd have to take all 4 years of medical school. There is no advanced standing offered, not even caribbean.

I wasn't aware chiropractors studied genetics, immunology, psychiatry, histology, etc.

Yes, every chiropractic college has these courses and they're tested in the boards.

This is an example of one college's curriculum, but they're all very similar.
http://www.uws.edu/Academic_Programs/Doctor_of_Chiropractic/DC_Program_Curriculum.pdf

And board exam overviews: http://www.nbce.org/written/overview.html

 

[vanbamm]

I wasn't aware chiropractors studied genetics, immunology, psychiatry, histology, etc.

yes- at my school- the 1st evidence based chiropractic school in the US- we do- we learn the allo approach and process and use that as a blueprint for the chiropractic appraoch-we take all of those classes plus 2 sections of pharmacology, microbiology, 2 anatomy labs w/ full body dissections and a bunch of other courses i never thought i would have to take- im not sure about other schools but we are all aware of both the allopathic and chiropractic approaches to medicine but learn technique and process of the latter philosophy.

 

[vanbamm]

This doesn't fly anymore, you'd have to take all 4 years of medical school. There is no advanced standing offered, not even caribbean.

im not really surprised- it is alot more competitive and the standards have changed with the times to progress- you cant just walk into it- you have to legitmately be integrated- it isnt just the courses- it is a philosophy for diagnosis and treatment in the allopathic or osteopathic way versus the chiropractic way- and with science and evolution of knowledge base it is too much to jump from one to another- just as traditional medical knowledge has evolved- so has chiropractic knowledge- and so you dont have so much of an overlap- also DC schools are really tailored towards MS pathology with a small emphasis on the awareness of other pathologies, really for referral purposes.

 

[st2205]

I wasn't aware chiropractors studied genetics, immunology, psychiatry, histology, etc.

It's actually a very versatile degree. The days of chiropractors being second-rate physicians has come and gone. One of the residents here matched general surgery right out of his DC. The market has been pretty saturated for chiropractors so a couple guys I know that are DCs are working as pharmacists. A kid I went to high school with transferred after his second year of chiropractic school and was able to enter law school as a third year. The bias against and ignorance of chiropractic education is astounding.

 

[facetguy]

It's actually a very versatile degree. The days of chiropractors being second-rate physicians has come and gone. One of the residents here matched general surgery right out of his DC. The market has been pretty saturated for chiropractors so a couple guys I know that are DCs are working as pharmacists. A kid I went to high school with transferred after his second year of chiropractic school and was able to enter law school as a third year. The bias against and ignorance of chiropractic education is astounding.

Don't quit your day job.

 

[ATDO]

It's actually a very versatile degree. The days of chiropractors being second-rate physicians has come and gone. One of the residents here matched general surgery right out of his DC. The market has been pretty saturated for chiropractors so a couple guys I know that are DCs are working as pharmacists. A kid I went to high school with transferred after his second year of chiropractic school and was able to enter law school as a third year. The bias against and ignorance of chiropractic education is astounding.

Easy...before you know it every pre-med is going to be over here freaking out...

 

[tehdude]

yes- at my school- the 1st evidence based chiropractic school in the US- we do- we learn the allo approach and process and use that as a blueprint for the chiropractic appraoch-we take all of those classes plus 2 sections of pharmacology, microbiology, 2 anatomy labs w/ full body dissections and a bunch of other courses i never thought i would have to take- im not sure about other schools but we are all aware of both the allopathic and chiropractic approaches to medicine but learn technique and process of the latter philosophy.

I'm sure there is a difference in emphasis and depth. I would think in a DC school more time would be spent on anatomy and searching for chiropractic subluxations on x-rays and less on stuff like biochem, physiology, etc. You also lack the 2 years of rotations. I don't think the two are equivalent.

 

[facetguy]

I'm sure there is a difference in emphasis and depth. I would think in a DC school more time would be spent on anatomy and searching for chiropractic subluxations on x-rays and less on stuff like biochem, physiology, etc. You also lack the 2 years of rotations. I don't think the two are equivalent.

I guess this is where I insert the wisecrack about cranial pulses/Chapman's reflex points/other osteopathic goodies?

 

[taylormade2006]

X-ray used to be required by Medicare for diagnosis of vertebral subluxation. Thankfully, it is no longer required. Any legit chiropractor would understand that x-rays are not taken to diagnose subluxations, rather to examine the postural anatomy of the spine or to evaluate post traumatic injury to diagnose or scan for contraindications to manipulative therapy.

 

[facetguy]

X-ray used to be required by Medicare for diagnosis of vertebral subluxation. Thankfully, it is no longer required. Any legit chiropractor would understand that x-rays are not taken to diagnose subluxations, rather to examine the postural anatomy of the spine or to evaluate post traumatic injury to diagnose or scan for contraindications to manipulative therapy.

But why deal in reality when it's so much more fun to perpetuate old stereotypes?🙄

 

[tehdude]

I guess this is where I insert the wisecrack about cranial pulses/Chapman's reflex points/other osteopathic goodies?

Probably. But thankfully we only have to waste a few hours on that hokey ****.

 

[vanbamm]

I'm sure there is a difference in emphasis and depth. I would think in a DC school more time would be spent on anatomy and searching for chiropractic subluxations on x-rays and less on stuff like biochem, physiology, etc. You also lack the 2 years of rotations. I don't think the two are equivalent.

DC and MD/DO degrees are not equivalent- we do place alot of emphasis on the neurological system- that being said- when we have patients we find out what is wrong with them and if chiropractic can help, or if it needs to be referred- as far as radiology goes- we do spend alot of time looking at spinal x-rays- but we also do chest and extremity if needed- and then we send those x-rays to the radiologist to read- we are pretty proficient at reading them for spinal pathology- but when things don't match up- the radiologist they go- anatomy and physiology is a huge part of what we do- especially for H&PE as you know- you have to know what is going on with the person in order to tell if it is treatable with chiropractic care or if they need to go see someone else who treats that problem- most of what we do outside of chiropractic is pick out abnormalities and refer them to the doc who can help them.- we actually do have to do rotations- im starting mine in a week- we go to our clinics, the hospital, a free clinic, and a spinal and sport institute with options to do rotations with the pro sports team, physiatrist, or the neurologist if you get selected- all of that together is about 1.5 years.