Chiropractors are doctors too

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b-rad12 said:
Who has been whining about dentists wearing white coats and being referred to as doctor? I'd like to hear their reasoning.
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No one whines about it! :D

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So wait am I hearing that because I work in a hospital as my place of practice and I have a DPT I can call myself DOCTOR at the hospital?!?!


In all seriousness I have never done that. I'm still young enough to where I get called "little girl" and some ask what high school I go to. -.-

Also, yesterday I had a patient tell me the physiatrist are a mix between orthopedic surgeons and chiropractors.... I tried to explain the differences but this guy was set in his opinions.
 
BurghStudent said:
If you think about it, podiatry and dentistry should be residencies you can do after an MD or DO. The closest we have is Ortho-Foot & Ankle and ENT respectively. These professions simply exist separately because of historical reasons. Personally, I think they should be consolidated, in the same manner that OFMS dentists earn an MD after residency. (I wish we lived in a simple world where physicians, osteopathic physicians, dentists and podiatrists were all MD.)
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This post makes too much sense. Relax brah.
 
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fancymylotus said:
No one whines about it! :D

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I appreciate the dentists. They yank all the grody teeth in our head and neck patients before we do unspeakable things to them. Makes the operation much nicer when we don't have to look at a mouth full of rotting what-have-you.

Plus, you guys make cool obturators that save us from 10-hour flaps.
 
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VisionaryTics said:
I appreciate the dentists. They yank all the grody teeth in our head and neck patients before we do unspeakable things to them. Makes the operation much nicer when we don't have to look at a mouth full of rotting what-have-you.

Plus, you guys make cool obturators that save us from 10-hour flaps.
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Ripping teeth out is super satisfying. If I cared enough or wanted to not have a life for another six years, I would have done omfs.
 
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fancymylotus said:
Ripping teeth out is super satisfying. If I cared enough or wanted to not have a life for another six years, I would have done omfs.
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We don't get to do it that often (maxillectomies and mandibulectomies prior to bone cuts, fractures which devitalize teefs) but it's super satisfying.
 
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Psai said:
You're not a doctor. You have a "doctorate" but the real doctors are mds and dos. Don't mind calling dentists doctor but they are not physicians. Pts are not doctors, nurses are not doctors, dental hygienists are not doctors and chiropractors aren't even in the same room
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I partly disagree. Anyone with a research or professional doctorate can be called a Doctor. The MD/DOs are "physicians" or "medical doctors" and that is a unique title. It does not matter what the public associates with or not, as long as it does not relate to medicine. I have a research doctorate (nothing to do with medicine) and I am still referred to as "Doctor XYZ" in my profession. Obviously I cannot walk around a hospital calling myself a Doctor nor can I answer a call in an emergency situation to "Is there a Doctor on this flight?" But as someone sane, I already know that.
 
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AmICrazy said:
I partly disagree. Anyone with a research or professional doctorate can be called a Doctor. The MD/DOs are "physicians" or a "medical doctors" and that is a unique title. It does not matter what the public associates with or not, as long as it does not relate to medicine. I have a research doctorate (nothing to do with medicine) and I am still referred to as "Doctor XYZ" in my profession. Obviously I cannot walk around a hospital calling myself a Doctor nor can I answer a call in an emergency situation to "Is there a Doctor on this flight?" But as someone sane, I already know that.
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He understands that but is just saying that the typical person uses doctor generally to mean physician. "Going to the doctor" " The doctor said I have to xyz"
This is why it always cracks me up when administrators are like " doctor means teacher," alright well I don't want to be a doctor, I want to be a physician, that just so happens by getting a doctoral degree.
 
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VisionaryTics said:
We don't get to do it that often (maxillectomies and mandibulectomies prior to bone cuts, fractures which devitalize teefs) but it's super satisfying.
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I too enjoy pulling teeth in our cancer patients, but the second I get called about an odontogenic abscess in a whiny 25 year old you better believe that consult is getting forwarded to my OMFS friends. Ain't nobody got time for that.
 
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Internexus said:
It's quite clear how SDN feels towards adjustments and Chiropractic, and that's great, however, a lot of you are formulating opinions from third parties, shoddy websites/media sources, and speculation.
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And you know, the whole premise that chiropractic is based upon... that one too.
 
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It's not about the title. I don't care if you want to take your bachelor's and turn it into a doctorate. It's when people tell patients to call them Dr. whatever in the hospital to deliberately confuse people about what their role actually is. No one goes to the dentist thinking that they're finding someone to take care of their appendix
 
Psai said:
It's not about the title. I don't care if you want to take your bachelor's and turn it into a doctorate. It's when people tell patients to call them Dr. whatever in the hospital to deliberately confuse people about what their role actually is. No one goes to the dentist thinking that they're finding someone to take care of their appendix
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I don't go to the family to get my appendix taken care of either.
 
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Psai said:
It's not about the title. I don't care if you want to take your bachelor's and turn it into a doctorate. It's when people tell patients to call them Dr. whatever in the hospital to deliberately confuse people about what their role actually is. No one goes to the dentist thinking that they're finding someone to take care of their appendix
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People do go to the dentist in the hospital though :p
 
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fancymylotus said:
People do go to the dentist in the hospital though :p
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I had a dentist come in at 8pm on a Friday night to pull some grody teef in a lady who was in septic shock from an odontogenic abscess. I was damn impressed.


I've never called a stat chiropractic consult. I should check the call schedule...
 
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VisionaryTics said:
I had a dentist come in at 8pm on a Friday night to pull some grody teef in a lady who was in septic shock from an odontogenic abscess. I was damn impressed.


I've never called a stat chiropractic consult. I should check the call schedule...
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Ewwy, I hate getting called in for **** like that. That's what the residents are for :D :D (jk, I go when I get called)
 
I call my optometrist, dentist, and my dog's vet all "Dr. X" when I'm in their offices and I think that's completely appropriate. Can't imagine one of them walking into a hospital demanding to be called doctor, etc. I'm in PM&R and work with a lot of PT's who've done their doctoral degrees and no one calls themselves Dr. X in the hospital to the patients because that's way too confusing, but we respect them for the extra training they've done. I do sometimes wish there was a different coat length/color to clearly delineate clinical doctor from nurse/pharmacist/lab tech as some places don't have that visual divide, and so many of my patients get very confused as to who all the long coated people are who apparently have very different jobs!
 
Punkn said:
I call my optometrist, dentist, and my dog's vet all "Dr. X" when I'm in their offices and I think that's completely appropriate. Can't imagine one of them walking into a hospital demanding to be called doctor, etc. I'm in PM&R and work with a lot of PT's who've done their doctoral degrees and no one calls themselves Dr. X in the hospital to the patients because that's way too confusing, but we respect them for the extra training they've done. I do sometimes wish there was a different coat length/color to clearly delineate clinical doctor from nurse/pharmacist/lab tech as some places don't have that visual divide, and so many of my patients get very confused as to who all the long coated people are who apparently have very different jobs!
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No ones demanding anything. The dental residents I know of are called dr from day one.

A physical therapists I believe needs referral from a physician before they can even touch the patient. So obviously that would get confusing when a pt and md are working so close together. Besides an md arguably knows as much about musculoskeletal as a pt. An md does not know oral cavity as well as a dentist.

Why would a vet be in the hospital? I'm not sure if optometrists are in hospital setting either.
 
b-rad12 said:
No ones demanding anything. The dental residents I know of are called dr from day one.

A physical therapists I believe needs referral from a physician before they can even touch the patient. So obviously that would get confusing when a pt and md are working so close together. Besides an md arguably knows as much about musculoskeletal as a pt. An md does not know oral cavity as well as a dentist.

Why would a vet be in the hospital? I'm not sure if optometrists are in hospital setting either.
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They are in LTC setting and are called doctors...
 
b-rad12 said:
No ones demanding anything. The dental residents I know of are called dr from day one.

A physical therapists I believe needs referral from a physician before they can even touch the patient. So obviously that would get confusing when a pt and md are working so close together. Besides an md arguably knows as much about musculoskeletal as a pt. An md does not know oral cavity as well as a dentist.

Why would a vet be in the hospital? I'm not sure if optometrists are in hospital setting either.
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According to this study http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1471-2474-6-32.pdf The only physician who knows more over a PT about management of musculoskeletal conditions is an ortho (although I would argue for a physiatrist, not sure why they weren't tested). Direct access for PTs differ by state and I believe we have it in over half the states now. I know we have it in Florida for 21 days before we require a physician referral/ approval for our POC.
 
Schland said:
According to this study http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1471-2474-6-32.pdf The only physician who knows more over a PT about management of musculoskeletal conditions is an ortho (although I would argue for a physiatrist, not sure why they weren't tested). Direct access for PTs differ by state and I believe we have it in over half the states now. I know we have it in Florida for 21 days before we require a physician referral/ approval for our POC.
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Yep, PTs know their stuff. I wonder once the direct access thing goes through if that will put chiropractors "out" and you will start seeing private practice PTs.

Also, what's up with the notion that you need to go to a chiropractor immediately after a car wreck? Seems pretty dangerous to be cracking necks after a possible injury in that area.
 
Schland said:
According to this study http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1471-2474-6-32.pdf The only physician who knows more over a PT about management of musculoskeletal conditions is an ortho (although I would argue for a physiatrist, not sure why they weren't tested). Direct access for PTs differ by state and I believe we have it in over half the states now. I know we have it in Florida for 21 days before we require a physician referral/ approval for our POC.
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Wow and in such a high impact factor journal- you know right after the Zoological Journal of the Linnean Society
and right before the Journal of Natural Hazards and Earth System Sciences . I'm actually not kidding. The impact factor is like 1.8 right between the JNHESS and the ZJLS, all well respecable members of the international journals of obscure **** that no one cares about (the prestijous IJOSTNOCA award winners)
 
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Thanks for linking that publication, I now understand what PTs are up to with their Doctorate programs.

"One of the primary curricular areas more heavily emphasized
in doctoral physical therapy educational programs is
the differential diagnosis of these conditions, a proficiency
necessary for competence in more autonomous
practice settings such as primary care."

"The results of this study corroborate existing clinical studies
demonstrating that physical therapists can provide safe
and effective care for patients with musculoskeletal conditions
in a direct access setting [21-26]."

Errr body wanna play docta now.
 
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Internexus said:
I'm surprised at the level of discontent towards other professions over nothing more than a title. Did the majority of people here specifically go to school for the title as it seems more important than helping patients.

It's quite clear how SDN feels towards adjustments and Chiropractic, and that's great, however, a lot of you are formulating opinions from third parties, shoddy websites/media sources, and speculation. What needs to be thrown out there is that stereotyping an entire profession from such sources is ignorant at best. I can speak from personal experience that I follow evidence and science based information, not "subluxation theories". Equally I don't have any interest in being a patients primary care physician, pill peddler nor the person they come to for anything outside of a musculoskeletal complaint. I've had patients come in with musculoskeletal complaints and after performing an exam I believed that they had pneumonia which their doctor confirmed, and this may come as a shocker to many of you I referrred them to their physician to be treated. I don't believe I can cure cancer, solve your issues with dementia, and no I can't adjust your dog.

The key thing I would like to stress is that the purpose of all of us here should be to help the patient and nothing less. To me that means sending the patient to an MD, a Physical Therapist, an Orthopedic Surgeon, or whatever specialist is necessary to provide the best care possible. I have no interest in prescribing drugs, performing rehab, persuading someone to be for/against vaccines, these are all not my place and equally I don't care.

As for this constant attacking the profession over strokes and such, each patient is and should be made aware of the risks that are associated with Chiropractic care and yes that includes stroke. To me it's ironic how much of a fuss is being made about it when in comparison to the MD community it's not even in the same universe. The Journal of Patient Safety released an article in September of 2013 stating that estimates are as high as 400,000+ patients annually visit the hospital for care and die from a preventable risk. That's over 7,000 patients weekly which constitutes thousands more than those that have died from a Chiropractic adjustment since its inception, and that's in a single WEEK. So when you welcome yourself back to earth from your mighty steed and wash the superiority complex away maybe then we can spend some time focusing on things that actually matter instead of a petty title because frankly somebody having the title "Doctor" in front of their name does not mean that person is worthy of all respects just yet. You may of put in your time in school but if you aren't someone that officially gives a **** about your patient then you are deserving of nothing.
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Do you believe the Chiropractic stigma is a factor in why so few DOs perform manipulation?
 
The hospital is probably the only place where it's really important to not regard yourself as a "Dr" unless you mean MD for obvious reasons. I will be graduating from a Doctoral of Nurse Anesthesia program in a few years and in the hospital I would never refer to myself as "Dr X" but when I teach classes I will be "Dr X." Aside from the academic and formal setting, I will always just introduce myself with my first name.
 
How does everyone feel about NM legislation to have chiros allowed to prescribe? Seems like it opens the door for them to prescribe narcotics and do surgery, because they're under the chiro board and if I'm correct, the way the legislation is constructed, gives the scope determinations to the chiro board.
 
Nephthys said:
The hospital is probably the only place where it's really important to not regard yourself as a "Dr" unless you mean MD for obvious reasons. I will be graduating from a Doctoral of Nurse Anesthesia program in a few years and in the hospital I would never refer to myself as "Dr X" but when I teach classes I will be "Dr X." Aside from the academic and formal setting, I will always just introduce myself with my first name.
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Funny enough, there was a bit of proposed legislation in Florida that stipulated exactly that: only MD/DOs could refer to themselves as doctor in a clinical setting. It obviously failed (DNP lobby).
 
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PL198 said:
How does everyone feel about NM legislation to have chiros allowed to prescribe? Seems like it opens the door for them to prescribe narcotics and do surgery, because they're under the chiro board and if I'm correct, the way the legislation is constructed, gives the scope determinations to the chiro board.
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Their education/training isn't adequate to safely prescribe.
 
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PL198 said:
How does everyone feel about NM legislation to have chiros allowed to prescribe? Seems like it opens the door for them to prescribe narcotics and do surgery, because they're under the chiro board and if I'm correct, the way the legislation is constructed, gives the scope determinations to the chiro board.
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I let my barber manage my diabetes, so sure why not?
 
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welp, lawyers are doctors too sooooo.....
 
yes, but they aren't physicians
 
have you guys heard of acupuncture physicians yet? some states give the title of Dr. to acupuncturists :smack:

I understand why people want to be called by their title because they put in the work and want the appropriate respect. But in the medical field this is a tricky subject. Your title used to be a way for patients to understand your level of knowledge and training in a subject, but now this area is fuzzy. I can foresee issues with this now that acupuncturists and TCM practitioners can adress themselves as doctors.

Not trying to start anything just putting in my 2 cents :) also don't pick on dentists they are legit ;)
 
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Regarding Dentists are not real doctors. How can be so much physicians be idiots? Hippocrates himself recognized the importance of oral medicine. Im saying if you have a problem with your heart, you need a cardiologist. Im pretty sure if your mouth is in pain you would go to , yeah thats right a dentist, or if you want to sound more fancy and be accepted into the world of medicine, You can call yourself a stomatologist.

Im saying I hope these so called physicians who discredit other professionals just to feel good about themselves really need to grow up.
 
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Lez said:
Regarding Dentists are not real doctors. How can be so much physicians be idiots? Hippocrates himself recognized the importance of oral medicine. Im saying if you have a problem with your heart, you need a cardiologist. Im pretty sure if your mouth is in pain you would go to , yeah thats right a dentist, or if you want to sound more fancy and be accepted into the world of medicine, You can call yourself a stomatologist.

Im saying I hope these so called physicians who discredit other professionals just to feel good about themselves really need to grow up.
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You may want to fix the grammatical issues in your post before you call other people idiots....
 
Screwtape said:
You must practice outside of the states mate, $100 for that is way too cheap!
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No son, I live in frisco. I'll show you if you want. I'll give you a professional discount since your a doctor.
 
Lez said:
Regarding Dentists are not real doctors. How can be so much physicians be idiots? Hippocrates himself recognized the importance of oral medicine. Im saying if you have a problem with your heart, you need a cardiologist. Im pretty sure if your mouth is in pain you would go to , yeah thats right a dentist, or if you want to sound more fancy and be accepted into the world of medicine, You can call yourself a stomatologist.

Im saying I hope these so called physicians who discredit other professionals just to feel good about themselves really need to grow up.
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What.
 
Lez said:
No son, I live in frisco. I'll show you if you want. I'll give you a professional discount since your a doctor.
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No one who lives in San Francisco calls it "Frisco."
 
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