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metallica81788 said:
Well, what I'm saying is that you can miss out on interview invites from rolling schools if your stats are mediocre or average for that school. I know that I wouldn't have gotten 4 invites with my average stats if I didn't apply early.

BTW, I'm the kind of person that would apply on the first day even if I didn't know SDN existed. FWIW, I didn't submit until 8pm that night because I was at work the whole day.
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I don't think you can say that since you really don't know what would've happened had you applied later. I suppose I didn't do a formal statistical research, but just by eyeballing a few hundred mdapps profiles, it seems that july primary and august secondaries aren't late. things start to get funky with average stats and good stats alike once it gets to late sept or oct for secondaries. still, it depends on the school. In florida, for example, none of the schools care about late apps, i've heard way too many stories of december secondaries that got in.
 
no one really knows one way or another. we can all agree that the earlier the better.
 
IndianVercetti said:
Becoming a prestigious neurosurgeon is all about scoring high on the USMLE and forming the right connections in medical school wherever you end up.
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totally agree. my example was a horrible analogy. this is probably why so many people make fun of me on the netz. :laugh:

I'd go to the Carribean in a heartbeat. I'm dead set on Cornell.....but I wouldn't mind Yale, Columbia... I'll be lucky if they let me in at Vista.

I should probably start with a little AA.
 
i would go anywhere i can become a doctor and eventually practice in california close to my family
 
Is the transcript request form necessary to be sent with transcripts? All my orders were placed online and I didn't include the request forms with them.

If anyone can verify that they're not mandatory I'll be very relieved 🙂
 
unfortunately, i think they're mandatory for matching your transcript with you. at least it'll take much longer for them to match it.
 
you need to contact your schools as soon as you can and tell them to hold your transcripts so you can fax them the form. otherwise, you'll probably be screwed.
 
****, really? i didnt give it in with one of mine

also, for the university i go to right now, they make us do the whole transcript thing online, so how do we send in that paper with it then?
 
did an hour on the stair master tonight. my calves are killin. i can feel my canckles thinning.
 
i think every girl should do an hour of mr. stairmaster every other day, the effects are golden
 
she can do sidebends or sit-ups, but please don't lose that butt.
 
Ive got bone and biggy stuck in my head. notorious thugs.

...better run and tell everybody...
 
bigballer27 said:
****, really? i didnt give it in with one of mine

also, for the university i go to right now, they make us do the whole transcript thing online, so how do we send in that paper with it then?
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I had the same issue so I called amcas to ask. They said the request form is recommended not required. They got my transcript without it.
 
i see, i guess its like the rec letter forms then, itll just take them longer to match with u.
 
dingyibvs said:
i see, i guess its like the rec letter forms then, itll just take them longer to match with u.
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I also made sure I entered my school ID # on amcas under the alternative ID's option. That way all they need to do is enter the ID # from the transcript. Obviously including the form is the ideal way, but it wasn't an option for me and it all worked out fine.
 
Grades just came out... very pleasantly surprised. Gosh, this whole process... jeez.

You know what the hugest most gigantic bummer ever was? When I was told that P/F med schools still keep track of your test grades for ranking purposes. Seriously, all I wanted was to go to a first-two-years-TOTALLY-unranked P/F school.
 
Thanks for the help guys, I think I'll just chill on the transc. request form then. I think they'll still get it all sorted in time and I'm not submitting at the first opening anyway..
 
FlowRate said:
Grades just came out... very pleasantly surprised. Gosh, this whole process... jeez.

You know what the hugest most gigantic bummer ever was? When I was told that P/F med schools still keep track of your test grades for ranking purposes. Seriously, all I wanted was to go to a first-two-years-TOTALLY-unranked P/F school.
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it sounds good in theory, but you need a ranking when you're applying for residency.
 
FlowRate said:
Grades just came out... very pleasantly surprised. Gosh, this whole process... jeez.

You know what the hugest most gigantic bummer ever was? When I was told that P/F med schools still keep track of your test grades for ranking purposes. Seriously, all I wanted was to go to a first-two-years-TOTALLY-unranked P/F school.
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msb1190 said:
it sounds good in theory, but you need a ranking when you're applying for residency.
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I have heard that there are some schools that truly are P/F the first two years and that your residency is influenced by your step 1 scores and your third year grades/evaluations (making 3rd year extremely important).
 
Hello everyone, I walked on the beach for two hours this morning 🙂
 
msb1190 said:
it sounds good in theory, but you need a ranking when you're applying for residency.
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Third year ranking and step I is good enough for me =)
rHinO1 said:
I have heard that there are some schools that truly are P/F the first two years and that your residency is influenced by your step 1 scores and your third year grades/evaluations (making 3rd year extremely important).
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Would you happen to remember any of them? It's so super hard to find that information, as all that's easily available is just whether they're P/F. Could search for AOA/non-AOA, but that includes a lot of still-ranked P/F.
 
I think Yale is strictly P/F. You should definitely apply there Flow. I'll see if I can dig up what others are (I know there's some).



my pug is obsessed with pacifiers. he's just too cute for his own good.
 
Yale is for sure unranked P/F, they take P/F further than anyone else (lots of their tests are optional unless they've recently changed something).

Both case western programs are also unranked P/F.
 
DrYoda said:
Yale is for sure unranked P/F, they take P/F further than anyone else (lots of their tests are optional unless they've recently changed something).

Both case western programs are also unranked P/F.
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so back to Flow's list...Add Yale, and CCLM. Keep Case

Temple is Honors, High Pass, Pass and Fail.
Georgetown is Honors, Pass, Low Pass and Fail...talk of going P/F

...compiling a list.
 
Hoody said:
so back to Flow's list...Add Yale, and CCLM. Keep Case

Temple is Honors, High Pass, Pass and Fail.
Georgetown is Honors, Pass, Low Pass and Fail...talk of going P/F

...compiling a list.
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Thanks =).

I like CCLCM but it's another one of those schools that I love that I really shouldn't apply to because most schools don't accept online biochem, which is the only way I could do a biochem prereq =(
 
I know Miami uses a ranked P/F list. I can confirm that Case is indeed purely unranked P/F.
 
FlowRate said:
Third year ranking and step I is good enough for me =)

Would you happen to remember any of them? It's so super hard to find that information, as all that's easily available is just whether they're P/F. Could search for AOA/non-AOA, but that includes a lot of still-ranked P/F.
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Sorry, don't remember specific schools but this thread has been up the last couple of days and discusses it...

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=727107
 
so whats the point of having P/F if you're going to be ranked anyways, i don't get it
 
bigballer27 said:
so whats the point of having P/F if you're going to be ranked anyways, i don't get it
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near every school even if p/f will still keep some sort of internal ranking whether you know it or not. You have to somehow be able to differentiate the class for AOA, residency, and other reasons. Sometimes its as simple as a few words in your deans letter. I honestly dont think theres a point as its not like in med school if its P/F you will slack all the sudden becuase you "only need to pass." As ive been told several times just even passing is hard enough with trying as hard as you can. Everyone in med school is going to try as hard as they can as for the most part, its what all of us have done for most of our lives in college to get to this point.

I think the main thing is residencies like to know where you stand. Some places want only the best of the best, and that along with strong step scores and other things are a good indicator i suppose. Honestly, id want to be ranked as it only stands to help you. Even if the entire M1-M2 years are unranked, you will eventually be ranked in clinical so i dont see the big issue
 
Boston University - Unranked P/F
UCI - P/F
UCLA - P/F
UCSD - Unkranked P/F
Case - Unranked P/F
CCLM - Unranked P/F
UConn - P/F
Georgetown - Honors, Pass, Low Pass, Fail
Miami - Ranked P/F
Michigan - Unranked P/F
Temple - Honors, High Pass, Pass, Fail
USUHS - A/B/C/Fail
Yale - Unranked P/F


apparently AAMC site has the grading scale breakdown. I'll look for that and try to import it.

And Flow, I wouldn't let the biochem pre req stop you. I know someone who did not meet Harvards pre reqs, applied and got an interview anyway.
 
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no i meant, so then why do p/f...just keep it as grades+ranks...or just ranks alone the whole p/f thing is cool but if you're going to keep ranks anyways its pretty dumb
 
Michigan, Yale (as already mentioned) and UCSD (starting this fall) are pass/fail for the first two years and unranked. Yale and UCSD don't have AOA and Michigan's AOA is based almost entirely off your clerkship grades (with a slight portion based off your Step 1 score)

Elijah05 said:
near every school even if p/f will still keep some sort of internal ranking whether you know it or not. You have to somehow be able to differentiate the class for AOA, residency, and other reasons. Sometimes its as simple as a few words in your deans letter. I honestly dont think theres a point as its not like in med school if its P/F you will slack all the sudden becuase you "only need to pass." As ive been told several times just even passing is hard enough with trying as hard as you can. Everyone in med school is going to try as hard as they can as for the most part, its what all of us have done for most of our lives in college to get to this point.
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:shrug: I don't know about this. Maybe this is particular to the schools that I mentioned above, but when a dean straight up tells me/other applicants that "we don't rank any students for the first two years, the only thing we see/care about is that they passed their courses," I don't really see a need for them to lie about that. As you mentioned, I do think they're now required to rank you in the dean's letter in some way (and use a magical adjective), but at the schools I mentioned above, they use the clerkship grades to do so and just note that you passed all of your preclinical courses.

And for me, the P/F thing is less about being able to "slack off" and more about being able to do other things with your time. Yes, you're going to work hard everywhere you go, but I think you're more likely to be willing to spend an extra few hours a week shadowing a doctor or doing some research or participating in a community service project at a P/F school where you're not worried about spending your extra hours learning a few extra facts so you can get an H instead of a P
 
bigballer27 said:
no i meant, so then why do p/f...just keep it as grades+ranks...or just ranks alone the whole p/f thing is cool but if you're going to keep ranks anyways its pretty dumb
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I guess to attract students? A lot of pre meds want p/f schools even if still "ranked." Grading systems tend to turn off a lot of students. Its just a guess though. Its honestly not an issue to me. What really matters is M3-M4, i think a lot of us tend to put a lot of importance on M1-M2, when in reality they are likely the least important years (or so im told by everyone whos done it looking back).
 
bobsmith said:
Michigan, Yale (as already mentioned) and UCSD (starting this fall) are pass/fail for the first two years and unranked. Yale and UCSD don't have AOA and Michigan's AOA is based almost entirely off your clerkship grades (with a slight portion based off your Step 1 score)


:shrug: I don't know about this. Maybe this is particular to the schools that I mentioned above, but when a dean straight up tells me/other applicants that "we don't rank any students for the first two years, the only thing we see/care about is that they passed their courses," I don't really see a need for them to lie about that. As you mentioned, I do think they're now required to rank you in the dean's letter in some way (and use a magical adjective), but at the schools I mentioned above, they use the clerkship grades to do so and just note that you passed all of your preclinical courses.

And for me, the P/F thing is less about being able to "slack off" and more about being able to do other things with your time. Yes, you're going to work hard everywhere you go, but I think you're more likely to be willing to spend an extra few hours a week shadowing a doctor or doing some research or participating in a community service project at a P/F school where you're not worried about spending your extra hours learning a few extra facts so you can get an H instead of a P
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i meant a small percentage. im not saying those schools lied im sure they did not! 🙂. regardless its not something i worry about thats just me.
 
Elijah05 said:
I guess to attract students? A lot of pre meds want p/f schools even if still "ranked." Grading systems tend to turn off a lot of students. Its just a guess though. Its honestly not an issue to me. What really matters is M3-M4, i think a lot of us tend to put a lot of importance on M1-M2, when in reality they are likely the least important years (or so im told by everyone whos done it looking back).
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good point

what is AOA?
 
sup. i went out and got so tired and realized i have to be up at 530 so i should come home. but okay
so
i listen to the popular stations, like hearing the r&b hip hop latest jams (yeah, i went there) in da clubs, but seriously, whats up with the lyrics lately?!?!! they are SOOOO VULGAR. really, rhianna? do you need to be so crude and blunt as to ask if a boy can "get it up"? and usher, i am so disappointed in you. before you would say "let's take it nice and slow", now you tell me to "let her put her hands in [my] pants", tsk tsk. and i'm sorry but "say ah" is totally not about alcohol. (at least theyre being somewhat subtle, though).



as a side note, i do love ushers new songs even though they are disgustingly crude. sick beats. also that new song 'when she turns 18' is really catchy. that's the problem! They are all so catchy but so dirty!!!!!!
 
Elijah05 said:
I guess to attract students? A lot of pre meds want p/f schools even if still "ranked." Grading systems tend to turn off a lot of students. Its just a guess though. Its honestly not an issue to me. What really matters is M3-M4, i think a lot of us tend to put a lot of importance on M1-M2, when in reality they are likely the least important years (or so im told by everyone whos done it looking back).
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This is pretty much my opinion of P/F. It's largely a recruiting mechanism.
 
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