Class of 2021 NAPLEX Scores and Predictions

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Well boys and girls, get ready because the 2021 NAPLEX scores will be coming soon this month (I hope) and that means that it’s time to test your Nostradamus skills. I will be honest that I haven’t had as much time to devote to this endeavor just due to giving vaccines until I see them in my sleep and life getting in the way but I had people tell me they enjoyed this thread last year along when I tell them in-person to prospective students.
Keep in mind, these are just predictions and my opinion and are not to be taken as fact. They are my interpretation of the current and future of pharmacy education.

Last year, Hampton University in Virginia scraped the bottom of the barrel with an impressive 55% and barely beat out CSU, Larkin, and New England. Many have predicted (myself included) that a school will finally shatter the glass basement of under 50%. I know many of us have fun with this ( I know I do) because it is so shocking how far pharmacy academia has fallen and ACPE powerless to do anything about restricting the number of schools(their words not mine). Hopefully there will be an accreditation standard added to the 2025 standards for NAPLEX and MPJE scores to be included but it seems that they have steered cleared of grabbing that 3rd rail even if it’s their responsibility.

So without further ado, let’s get on with it.

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Hampton University. Dean Iyer and faculty are still living in a dream bubble that they will be able to successfully sue and rescind their accreditation withdrawal. I believe that as they are running out the clock on their “teach-out” program and they are already pivoting to other programs with stronger applicant rates and the pharmacy students that are left are just circling the drain. Nothing left to say but stop beating this dead horse because it died a long time ago. RIP Hampton.

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Larkin University. Ah yes, the pharmacy strip mall of southern Florida. Well they got a new Dean last year, Dr Nemire. She has the “pedigree” of Touro and I could see her being a replacement for Lucinda Maine at AACP with the announcement Dr. Maine is stepping down this summer and Dr. Nemire has served as a VP in the organization. Still not sure what happened with Dr Levin but as we all know, constant changes at the ship’s helm means that an iceberg is more easily struck. Larkin will lead all the accredited schools with the lowest rate and this Titanic will continue to take on water.

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Chicago State University. Two years ago, CSU came as close as a school can to having over half the class fail the NAPLEX (2019 – 50.77%) They have an average in the 50’s over the past 3 years and it still amazes me that they are only accredited with probation. I still think the school is recovering from the huge black eye that Dean Coleman left when she embezzled over half a million dollars just a few years ago. This type of behavior always shows me what type of oversight that the Board of Trustees have on their academic executives. Dean Fete hasn’t been able to navigate the school so far and I don’t think they get above 60% but I think they will do better than last year (56.82%) for whatever that’s worth and keep their accreditation on life support.

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West Coast University.
Ah yes, the South Harmon Institute of Pharmacy. No it’s not the school that Snoop Dogg is the Dean of but he might have some interesting pharmacology lectures. Seriously, can anyone support having so many pharmacy schools in southern California and 15 in the entire state! Snoop, if you are interested or anyone else for that matter, West Coast is looking for their next Dean and who knows it could be you! Dre could be your academic Dean and Cube the director experiential affairs. I’m sorry I couldn’t resist about making a joke because isn’t this what this school is?

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University of New England
I have gone back and forth with this one in my mind but UNE has fallen off a cliff in the past 3 years going from a respectable 86% to a free fall of 58%. Prospective applicants can have a “virtual coffee” with Dean McCarthy and all of them would be wise to ask them what the hell is going on up there in the pine tree state. UNE does have some pretty good pedigree with a DO and dental program so one is to really wonder what Dean McCarthy has been doing since 2018 when he took the helm. He has an impeccable CV and was Dean at the University of Connecticut for a decade while beating the national average and was in the 90 percentile all but one year. I believe that you are seeing that no matter how established a university is if you have created a pharmacy school in the past 15 years then you might not see the end of the decade especially if you are in a rural area where attracting students and faculty will be a challenge.

So what do you think pharmacy fans? Does my list fit the bill? Let me and everyone else know who you think deserves to be on the bottom 5 for the 2021 NAPLEX. There is always a school that makes a surprise hit on the list so you just never know.

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Honestly, I predict scores across the board will be terrible. This is the first class of pharmacy students who went through a year of pharmacy school taking online exams at home due to the pandemic. I looked at my state's board of pharmacy intern verification search and filtered each school to see how many students failed to pass their NAPLEX - last I checked, it didn't look too good.
 
Honestly, I predict scores across the board will be terrible. This is the first class of pharmacy students who went through a year of pharmacy school taking online exams at home due to the pandemic. I looked at my state's board of pharmacy intern verification search and filtered each school to see how many students failed to pass their NAPLEX - last I checked, it didn't look too good.
Actually the class of 2022 had to go through a full year of online classes. The class of 2021 had 2 months of online classes then rotations
 
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Actually the class of 2022 had to go through a full year of online classes. The class of 2021 had 2 months of online classes then rotations
That's true. But I still believe it is the first class to be affected by lockdowns. Think of the quality of rotations during that time... personally that's when I felt I learned/developed the most as a student.
 
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This is like the pharmacy version of fantasy football. Great pastime while football season is out.
 
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Weren't there threads from Larkin Dean and perspective student talking about how Larkin will revolutionize pharmacy?
I wonder how they feel about that now.
 
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Weren't there threads from Larkin Dean and perspective student talking about how Larkin will revolutionize pharmacy?
I wonder how they feel about that now.
Not much after I collected the CMS whistleblower payout from them running their mouths on this board. Who says reading this Board doesn’t pay?
 
Remember when the dean of Chapman was pumping the school in this forum?
 
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This is like the pharmacy version of fantasy football. Great pastime while football season is out.
Yeap. I like to think of it like March Madness. I think it would be great to make a bracket and seed the schools and give some trophy to worst school.
 
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Not much after I collected the CMS whistleblower payout from them running their mouths on this board. Who says reading this Board doesn’t pay?
You serious Clark?
 
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Remember when the dean of Chapman was pumping the school in this forum?
ya - I tagged him in a post a few months back, I am guessing hey never even logged on

edit - yup - hasn't logged on since 2019. Crazy thing is - you can't tag him anymore,
 
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National pass rate was 83.7%.

That's down from 88.4% last year. Not good.
I would argue this could be a good thing - fewer people getting licensed means jobs harder to fill, sucks for those that fail thou
 
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Yeah if national dropped that low then I'm putting more money in that some school dropped less than 50%
 
I would argue this could be a good thing - fewer people getting licensed means jobs harder to fill, sucks for those that fail thou
They will probably make the test easier if the pass rate becomes too low.
 
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They will probably make the test easier if the pass rate becomes too low.
I wonder about that. Everybody knows there is a saturation and applicants are declining at pharmacy schools. NABP likes making lots of money off these tests so why wouldn't they make it harder so they can makes more off of repeat test fees? They know in future years that less graduates will be taking exams due to lower enrollment so they gotta makes as much money as they can now and they can justify their decision by saying there are plenty of pharmacists out their already so there is no danger to the public that there are no pharmacists. I know this sounds crazy but from a pure capitalistic model it makes sense because every other pharmacy organization has went this way.
 
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I wonder about that. Everybody knows there is a saturation and applicants are declining at pharmacy schools. NABP likes making lots of money off these tests so why wouldn't they make it harder so they can makes more off of repeat test fees? They know in future years that less graduates will be taking exams due to lower enrollment so they gotta makes as much money as they can now and they can justify their decision by saying there are plenty of pharmacists out their already so there is no danger to the public that there are no pharmacists. I know this sounds crazy but from a pure capitalistic model, it makes sense because every other pharmacy organization has gone this way.

NABP has to ensure the Naplex exam is legally defensible. They have to follow standard psychometric processes. They can't just make the exam harder or easier according to their preference. They can be sued if a candidate fails and their test development was not psychometrically sound.
 
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Not to mention NABP has zero incentive to make the exam easier, since every time somebody retakes the exam, it’s more $ for them
 
NABP is just ensuring that their examinations are thorough and extensive to ensure that pharmacists are knowledgeable and practice safe clinical practices. This is the type of statement that they would issue concerning anyone who 'thought' the exam was to 'hard.

They are going to hide behind these statements all the while collecting those big fees.
 
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Anyone notice the correlation between pharmacy school acceptance rates and NAPLEX pass rates over the years?
 
Not to mention NABP has zero incentive to make the exam easier, since every time somebody retakes the exam, it’s more $ for them
It's to NABP's interest that the pass rate is high. If more schools shut down because of low pass rates that means less money for them. I think they will make the test easier if the pass rates keep dropping but who knows.
 
The cool thing is NABP makes money either way. Whether they make it harder and get repeat business for failures or they make it easier then more schools could stay in business thus allowing for more grads to test.

Pretty nifty business model.
 
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The cool thing is NABP makes money either way. Whether they make it harder and get repeat business for failures or they make it easier then more schools could stay in business thus allowing for more grads to test.

Pretty nifty business model.
I think low pass rates hurt them. If you are considering going to pharmacy school and you see a pass rate in the 50% you probably would reconsider going. I feel like Pharmacy schools, NABP, and ACPE are all partners and want to see more schools and students going to pharmacy school.
 
I think low pass rates hurt them. If you are considering going to pharmacy school and you see a pass rate in the 50% you probably would reconsider going. I feel like Pharmacy schools, NABP, and ACPE are all partners and want to see more schools and students going to pharmacy school.
I say they overlap but I don't see them sacrificing one to save another. They will always do what is in their own best interest. No altruism there.
Don't forget that the money equation has another multiplier and that is increasing fees . How about a 1k NAPLEX exam? NABP is going to get their money same as ACPE increasing accreditating fees if the number of schools go down. It's better than opening a casino.
 
I have a further prediction. Those students enrolling in said schools will continue to be dumb (how could they note be- they went into pharmacy?). Those students graduating said schools will continue to be dumb (how could they not be- they enrolled in those sketchy programs?) The dignity of the profession will continue to descend into the basement located underneath "rock bottom". And- most importantly- the decline will continue to amuse us all!
 
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It's to NABP's interest that the pass rate is high. If more schools shut down because of low pass rates that means less money for them. I think they will make the test easier if the pass rates keep dropping but who knows.

Or those schools can actually teach
 
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Or those schools can actually teach
I put this on the students being idiots more than the schools. Even well established schools are seeing this. The quality of the new students is just now low. The best students are considering other things like medicine, nursing and engineering instead of pharmacy.
 
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Oh, the schools are far from idiots. They're the ones making $$$$ off of the snake oil being sold to the idiots who are (for some unfathomable reason) still buying.
 
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I’m not sure when everybody else has taken the test but I’m somebody who has taken it more than once with this new scoring scale and it is completely ridiculous… it’s harder, and I am not a dumb student, and this test is way more than minimum competency to be a pharmacist. The fact that they don’t give us to anymore even to people who fail is it’s not helpful to studying for the retake. It is evident that the test is not equal in difficulty from day-to-day some test being saturated with very specific rare topics and others being easier. So I’m having a ton of math so I’m having limited amounts. It should be clear across-the-board how many questions per topic will be on the exam this is just the NABP‘s way of making students retake it and make more money and hold them back from starting a career. Let’s not even mention the scoring error scandal that happened with this new exam.
 
Oh, the schools are far from idiots. They're the ones making $$$$ off of the snake oil being sold to the idiots who are (for some unfathomable reason) still buying.
But if you are a school do you even have a choice? The best students are no longer choosing pharmacy so you have to run with idiots. For a school is closing your school because you can only find idiots a practical solution?
 
I’m not sure when everybody else has taken the test but I’m somebody who has taken it more than once with this new scoring scale and it is completely ridiculous… it’s harder, and I am not a dumb student, and this test is way more than minimum competency to be a pharmacist. The fact that they don’t give us to anymore even to people who fail is it’s not helpful to studying for the retake. It is evident that the test is not equal in difficulty from day-to-day some test being saturated with very specific rare topics and others being easier. So I’m having a ton of math so I’m having limited amounts. It should be clear across-the-board how many questions per topic will be on the exam this is just the NABP‘s way of making students retake it and make more money and hold them back from starting a career. Let’s not even mention the scoring error scandal that happened with this new exam.
Didn’t the scoring change happen in like 2016 or was there other changes?
 
Testing has issues.If testing correlated to competency all of us should be required to pass the NAPLEX every 2 years in order to renew our license.In my view a degree is enough.
 
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Testing has issues.If testing correlated to competency all of us should be required to pass the NAPLEX every 2 years in order to renew our license.In my view a degree is enough.
Do MDs have regular testing to maintain licensing? Or is that to maintain certifications/specialities? I was under the impression they do get regular testing for licensing purposes?
 
National pass rate was 83.7%.

That's down from 88.4% last year. Not good.
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Do MDs have regular testing to maintain licensing? Or is that to maintain certifications/specialities? I was under the impression they do get regular testing for licensing purposes?
I don't think they do in order to maintain their license, but do for their board certification - which is pretty much required from them to work in their area of expertise- but I could be missing something
 
But if you are a school do you even have a choice? The best students are no longer choosing pharmacy so you have to run with idiots. For a school is closing your school because you can only find idiots a practical solution?
Well it depends on which side your on quality vs quantity.

We meaning schools.

Quality says that we will continue to hold this profession in the highest standard while ensuring the highest qualifications for applicants while continuing to engage current students with the most rigorous curriculum. We will set the bar high and lead the next generation of pharmacists.

Quantity says that we will take as many students as ACPE will allow us and keep accreditation. If the quality of applicants are not at a standard that were previously acceptable then we will adjust those standards to allow the maximum number of applicants while staying in accordance of accreditation.
 
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Testing has issues.If testing correlated to competency all of us should be required to pass the NAPLEX every 2 years in order to renew our license.In my view a degree is enough.
So you would advocate to allow all the students who failed the boards to practice, even from schools with a ~50% pass rate who do not seem to be preparing people well for practice despite the degree? More stringent requirements to maintain the license would make sense to me if it had to be one or the other
 
Testing has issues.If testing correlated to competency all of us should be required to pass the NAPLEX every 2 years in order to renew our license.In my view a degree is enough.

Shhhh don't give them any ideas.
 
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Didn’t the scoring change happen in like 2016 or was there other changes?
It changed in 2021. Just a pass or fail report. No graded number. There are now 6 competency levels and you need a to get a 3 or 4 in each which is a 75% or above in EACH section. So you can’t bomb one section and do really well in math and save your score.
 
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Next year I might start taking bets on when the NABP will release scores.
 
It changed in 2021. Just a pass or fail report. No graded number. There are now 6 competency levels and you need a to get a 3 or 4 in each which is a 75% or above in EACH section. So you can’t bomb one section and do really well in math and save your score.
No, it's actually a LOWER standard overall. There were six scale scores ranges between 8 and 15. A modern 3 corresponded to 11 in the old system which was still in the failing range (50-74). You can't have a section below a 3 means that you can't bomb than an old 50 in any section. In the old test, you could technically have less than an 8 (EXCEPT for Math) as long as your overall score was 12 or above, but that was considered to be unacceptable. If you keep getting questions in a topic, you're screwing it up somehow.

I know what screwed me up from a 150 (>140 first pass). I kept getting ophthamlics that I knew I got wrong as I couldn't remember the difference between a couple of them.

And yes, I have taken it multiple times as a setter, it's even easier than in the past when the majority of us said that we way overstudied for the exam after the fact (a good thing). You don't have to deal with the random med chem, pharmaceutics, and other dumb trivia that used to plague the exam. It's almost always on topic now.

Also, quality from a standardized test is BS to a large extent. It's just a bare minimum competency. Think of the stupidest pharmacist you know, and once in their pathetic lives, they passed NAPLEX.
 
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UPDATE

Talking with NABP and some other schools, their is no timeline for the release of NAPLEX/NABP scores. Haven't gotten an 'official' reason but the theory amongst some of us is that some schools have asked for clarification on how they are being scored but again this is a theory and no one knows when they are going to be released.
 
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