Clinical Experience

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[Goro]

Do you actually interact with the patients? If yes, then this counts as clinical experience.

Hi,

I was just wondering if my clinical research experience would count as clinical experience. I help conduct fMRI scans on depressed and schizophrenic patients in a psychiatric research building. My friend said because the scans are not conducted in a hospital but rather in a research center that this does not count as clinical experience. However, I thought because I am working directly with patients that this should count as clinical experience.

Thanks!

 

[rawrrd]

Do you actually interact with the patients? If yes, then this counts as clinical experience.

Hi,

I help guide them through the research study and am the one actually conducting the scan on the patient and communicate with them before and after the scan.

 

[Goro]

Sounds legit to me!

Hi,

I help guide them through the research study and am the one actually conducting the scan on the patient and communicate with them before and after the scan.

 

[Styrene]

Hi,

I was just wondering if my clinical research experience would count as clinical experience. I help conduct fMRI scans on depressed and schizophrenic patients in a psychiatric research building. My friend said because the scans are not conducted in a hospital but rather in a research center that this does not count as clinical experience. However, I thought because I am working directly with patients that this should count as clinical experience.

Thanks!

To me, clinical experience is more along the lines of being based in a hospital and interacting with patients, nurses and providers. I don't think the research as you describe would help one decide whether or not medical school is the right next step per se, but you are interacting with patients, so perhaps refer to it is medically related humans subjects research.

 

[LizzyM]

Why do you think of these people as "patients"? If it is research, then the people with whom you engage are "subjects" or "participants" and not patients. You say that this is research which means that it is not clinical care that is expected to benefit them in some way. (See the literature on "therapeutic misconception" to learn why this is important to ethicists, physicians, and investigators. There are trials where both standard care and investigational interventions are administered but this sounds like research with no likelihood of benefit to the subjects themselves) On the other hand, the research subjects have a psychiatric diagnosis and interacting with these subjects may give you some insights into what it might be like to provide clinical care to such individuals.

@Styrene is defining clinical experience based on where it is delivered but that would mean that home hospice care would be non-clinical; I think that most of us agree that hospice care can be an important adjunct to shadowing or other clinical exposure in a health care setting.

I would call this research. the adcom will see that it is research on subjects with psych diagnoses and judge accordingly but I think it is a stretch to call it clinical employment or clinical volunteerism.

 

[Essene]

Do you actually interact with the patients? If yes, then this counts as clinical experience.

Certain volunteering/employment opportunities don't require/yield direct contact with patients, like scribing, but can be used as clinical experience. Am I wrong? I asked about a similar interest on another forum but have yet to receive an answer. They mentioned ScribeAmerica, but suggested that I try to find a clinic/hospital that doesn't employ the services of third party institutions and, instead, train their own scribes. How would I go about doing that? Is it as simple as "Googling" it?

 

[LizzyM]

Certain volunteering/employment opportunities don't require/yield direct contact with patients, like scribing, but can be used as clinical experience. Am I wrong? I asked about a similar interest on another forum but have yet to receive an answer. They mentioned ScribeAmerica, but suggested that I try to find a clinic/hospital that doesn't employ the services of third party institutions and, instead, train their own scribes. How would I go about doing that? Is it as simple as "Googling" it?

My definition of clinical care doesn't require that you speak to, or touch patients but that you be in the same room with them and close enough to touch them. So scribing certainly counts, IMHO.

I don't know why working for a hospital rather than a vendor would matter in terms of clinical experience. There may be other reasons to prefer one over other.

 

[Essene]

My definition of clinical care doesn't require that you speak to, or touch patients but that you be in the same room with them and close enough to touch them. So scribing certainly counts, IMHO.

I don't know why working for a hospital rather than a vendor would matter in terms of clinical experience. There may be other reasons to prefer one over other.

If what I wrote was misleading- my apologies. This is what they wrote:

I would suggest ScribeAmerica. It's probably the largest and most reputable institute out there for Scribing. My advice would be to try and find a hospital that doesn't go through third party affiliates for their scribe services. I worked at an Orthopedic clinic which both hired and trained their own scribes and there were significantly less hurdles to jump through during the hiring process.

I was wondering how one might go about finding places who hire and train their own scribes. It sounds easier. If the method(s) lead me to a dead end I'll gladly utilize S.A.'s services.

 

[ChrisMack390]

My clinical research is not only being listed as clinical experience on my app, it is the single experience that got medicine even onto my radar. Granted, mine is in oncology, which most people say it a whole different animal (I suppose I wouldn't know if that's true).