Clinical simulation fellowship

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Hello all,
Just wondering if anyone out there could shed some light on clinical simulation fellowships in anesthesia offered by certain places like UCSF? What are the job prospects post fellowship in these fields?
I love teaching and academics and would be very keen on being a part of grooming the younger generations in the specialty(although you don't necessarily need to have a simulation fellowship for that!)

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The problem I see in academics is that a fellowship is required at most institutions especially if you want to establish any street cred. This and the ability to obtain cheap skilled labor, is what makes these "novel" fellowships flourish in academia. A motivated individual who wants to be involved teaching residents and carve a niche in simulation should be able to pursue this avenue without a whole year or two of indentured servitude. But in order to obtain a job in an academic center that would allow for this type of specialization you often need some sort of fellowship to get your foot in the door.
 
I just cant see anyone making an argument to me that a simulation fellowship is worth deferring a year of attending-level compensation. This seems like the sort of niche you can fall into just by expressing interest. Do you really need more training than a weekend/week-long course? How can they even fill a year-long curriculum?
 
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I just cant see anyone making an argument to me that a simulation fellowship is worth deferring a year of attending-level compensation. This seems like the sort of niche you can fall into just by expressing interest. Do you really need more training than a weekend/week-long course? How can they even fill a year-long curriculum?
All fellowships are first of all a question of Return On Investment. Will one get an extra 10k/year just because one is a simulation expert? I doubt it. What else can one get out of it? I see no job security, not even as an alternative career if anesthesia gets in trouble. What am I missing?

Any good anesthesiologist could start doing this well after a few days getting accommodated with the simulation platform. It's the scenario that matters, and the best scenarios are invented by experienced clinicians.
 
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As for ROI, simulation seems to be the way of the future for things like training, MOCA, and eventually primary certification. Getting into the business now is likely to set one up for greater income in the future than will be appreciated by clinical anesthesiologists. One could make an absolute killing running a few sim centers in desirable vacation destinations.

Perhaps, you could use your fellowship credentials to get a step up on the competition when it comes to being certified by the ABA as a MOCA/ Primary Certification site, but I seriously doubt it.

That is a massive stretch to find something positive about this B.S. slave labor fellowship, but I am serious about the money to be made by opening a few certified sim centers in desirable vacation destinations. Perhaps with a ketamine clinic in the back room...

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Our group seriously debated starting a sim center, and obtaining credentialing for MOC activities after being unhappy with the poor selection. Ultimately, we chose not to due to lack of interest in giving up more weekends, however if we had a person interested, we would have been glad to front the cost for the center as an investment. I would imagine a person who had dedicated time to training in simulation could find themselves a very nice career running a sim center either on the side or as a primary occupation (although in my opinion that would be a waste). That fellowship gives one the initial boost over just another guy. There is a bright future for simulation centers, as much crap as it is that it is forced upon us by MOCA. And honestly, how much easier does one's day get than watching health care professionals get stressed out and critiquing them.
It is similar to the EMR companies and the government pushing that industry.
 
I would imagine a person who had dedicated time to training in simulation could find themselves a very nice career running a sim center either on the side or as a primary occupation (although in my opinion that would be a waste).

A person who does not practice clinical anesthesia, is the one teaching it.

That is progress in education.
 
Hello all,
Just wondering if anyone out there could shed some light on clinical simulation fellowships in anesthesia offered by certain places like UCSF? What are the job prospects post fellowship in these fields?
I love teaching and academics and would be very keen on being a part of grooming the younger generations in the specialty(although you don't necessarily need to have a simulation fellowship for that!)

I'll be the first to admit that we shouldn't assume that a bachelor's degree + medical degree + completed residency = a good teacher. For attendings in academic programs, there should be be some kind of periodic formal instruction on how to teach. Basic theory, some workshops, etc.

But ... a year in a "clinical simulation" fellowship?!? Holy crap, last week I had two days of a faculty development course, a few hours of which were devoted to simulation. Even before that, I think I could've done a reasonable job creating and running a useful sim scenario for residents. After a few hours of instruction, I'd do a more focused and polished job of it, and I can see where I'd benefit from a few hours more of guidance with creating, running, and debriefing sims.

Maybe this is just my ignorance speaking, and I don't know what I don't know, but a year of fellowship seems like about 11 months too long.

But what do I know? Someone's doing it and seeing value in it. And that someone might be collecting $2K from me via MOCA someday ...
 
It shouldn't be called a simulation fellowship. It's really just a simulated fellowship.

C'mon guys/gals, if you are writing code and developing wholly new simulators this could be a year, wouldn't you agree?
 
C'mon guys/gals, if you are writing code and developing wholly new simulators this could be a year, wouldn't you agree?
I somehow doubt that's the case. Here's the UCSF booklet. If it were as serious as you suggest, there would be requirements regarding previous programming experience. It seems they develop scenarios for a pre-existing platform, and participate in various bureaucratic groups.

Honestly, I don't see why this needs a 1-year dedicated fellowship. Even the organizers don't, since the fellows are expected to work in clinical anesthesia 30%.

I also don't get why people sign up for these gum elastic non-ACGME fellowships which could as well be done in 6 months or less. Yes, this includes neuro, OB, and even regional, in many places.
 
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There is a bit more to simulation than what was suggested. My only experience was a month elective solely focused on simulation but I was able to observe the inner workings of the simulator group. First, there is a lot of coding and writing up scenarios. If you've never done it before, you'd be surprised at how difficult it can be create a scenario that works in the simulator. I was able to draw from my experiences with real cases but I had to consider all the factors that went into the scenario in order the guide the participants in the correct pathway. Then there is the actual running of the scenario. The behind the scenes can be quite chaotic in a busy scenario that involves multiple people. You have the manage the technicians (or if you are the simulator technician, you have to control the dummy), play out the scenario, cue the actors etc etc. And all of this has to go smoothly! Why? Have you ever SEEN medical professionals during a simulation? Putting aside all the eye rolls and outright defiance of the situation clearly being simulated you have to learn to deal with people who are so afraid of being judged that they argue over every little incident. If things aren't perfect, they toss out any learning opportunities as the simulator "not being real life."

That is probably the simplest part of the simulator; the easiest part to grasp because it is the most obvious. However, how does one keep people coming back to utilize the simulator? Lets face it, if only a few people use the simulator then it is all money down the drain because it is very expensive to upkeep that dummy and to buy all the medical equipment needed for the scenarios. There is a whole business behind the scenes that one is not taught in clinical practice (fund raising, budgeting, advertising etc).

Then there is the whole practice of creating a sustainable learning environment. Have you ever went to a simulator center and they have lots of machines and arcades to help you learn echos and laparoscopic surgeries etc. Surprisingly, those arcades are very much used in the months of July and with outside visitors and rarely touched at other times. Clinicians need scenarios to keep their interests up. This is done by building curriculums. One of my projects during that month was to select a topic and create plan if teaching that topic while keeping in mind my resources and timing I would realistically be able to obtain. I had to make it in such a way that I could target a large scale audience (i.e. 20+ residents) and keep them occupied for the duration that I stated. Not as easy as it looks since you can't really put more than 4-5 people in a simulator room and get them all involved. These large scale sessions take a LOT of time to plan and to execute.

Ok, then there is the whole TEACHING aspect. I may not be the best teacher in the medical world but I am confident I am nowhere near the other end of the spectrum. I have seen and experienced some terrible teachers out there. Some people were just not meant to teach. Also contrary to what another person has thought, a clinician is quite possibly one of the best jobs where one can be both great at the job AND be a great teacher. Having the time to create and run scenarios under the tutelage of good teachers will (hopefully) teach you to become a better one too. One of the biggest concerns voiced by my mentor during that month was that they would never allow anyone (especially new people) to run scenarios without reviewing the plan first. It was absolutely crucial that the creator and executor of scenarios weren't teaching the wrong things and were teaching the wrong way.

Then, moving beyond teaching, there is the debrief. This was one of the hardest parts of simulation for me. How do you sit down a group of medical professionals who just went through an artificial scenario and get them on board with you to get them to learn? How many complaints have I heard in the hospital that everyone was required to go to the simulator for JCAHO mandated simulator training? How often have I heard about how useless simulation was in those conversations? And with all due respect, the ones MOST resistant are the 40+ year olds. So knowing that people come in with those prejudices, how does one give them constructive criticism that they can take away with them and hopefully put into their practice? There are a number of articles out there about debriefing and getting "smart" people to learn. And with debriefings, there truly is a WRONG way to do it. If your participants do not get anything out of their time there, then you have wasted everyone's efforts.

Finally, the last time I will touch on is the amount of research that one can get into with simulation. There are the obvious ones about quality improvement but also ones about the psychology of simulation. One can also utilize their creative side in creating props or simulated disease states (e.x. a pus filled pocket for practicing I&Ds using cardboard, styrofoam, gel, latex gloves and ioban). I was never really into this aspect but I was aware of how much potential there is in this field.

I am only able to touch on a few things but my point is that there is so much more than just "making scenarios." If a center is small and that is mainly how it is used, then fine, one probably doesn't need to do a whole fellowship. But there are large simulator centers out there, actively participating in research, gathering support from the all the hospital departments that require specifically trained people to help further their endeavors. Simulators cost a LOT of money to maintain and they will not be sustainable if there isn't a financial/educational benefit. That is what fellowship can teach you. A year to focus on the lesser known but equally as important aspects of simulation.
 
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Even if there were simulators everywhere, I doubt that anybody will pay a board-certified "simulationist" any amount close to what they pay for clinical care. The only business opportunity I see is to write and sell scenarios, i.e. software, privately.

I am not saying it's not very interesting, but I find very little incentive to waste an entire year on it. It's just cheap (read free) labor. Go do a year of CCM or CT anesthesia, and then you'll be able to orally simulate a bunch of crap happening to patients.

There is a reason mock orals help so much with professional development. One doesn't need a million-dollar simulation center to train individually for crisis situations. A good teacher can do that in any setting, as long as he can talk. The real value for a simulation center is team-training, with EXACTLY the same people you work with every day, based on various frequent scenarios, a la NFL or NBA, which is NOT happening. This is why we still see codes run poorly, with people who don't know exactly what they are supposed to do. Imagine that in a basketball game. 🙄
 
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The way to 'keep people coming back' to simulators is to force them. Force residents, force attendings with moca, but you have to force them. Simulation is a waste of time and money so it'll be empty every day if you don't force people's attendance.
Sim labs run for the good of the sim center director NOT for the participants.
 
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